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Smart fans are getting it....

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Aug 2019, 12:28
#41
24 Aug 2019, 12:28#41

Meyer did not implement anything - bar perhaps to the Bulls style of play of 2004 in the 2015  WC.   That was supported by his team selection - when he refused to select Lions players - but instead included duds "because he is aware of what they have been capable of in the past" - without any idea about what they were capable of in 2015.

Now suddenly it is a cultural thing - only idiots will call that a cultural thing.   Watching school rugby in SA is a huge example of how the youngsters play.   What happened after being wiz kids in ball play at school and in Varsity Cups?   They ended up in provincial franchises where they are coached by idiots and in the test sides coached by idiots like Meyer and Coetzee as well.  Remember Meyers' remark - "SA does not have backline players with the necessary ball skills to play a ball-in-hand game".   So did the provincial and national coaches coached the players out of their normal skill sets?   It is evident that they have succeeded in doing just that.

No AO - you are clearly totally deluded when it comes to rugby - so maybe you should just learn something and not show your total ignorance on site.  

LMAO    .     

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SebPro2,680 posts
24 Aug 2019, 13:54
#42
24 Aug 2019, 13:54#42

AO...This is a cultural thing. Trying to override cultural tendencies is never easy. It can be adapted, but the underlying mentality will always be there.

Well that's precisely the problem...we need to change that mentality and Mike is spot on...at least I heard from one of the best school coaches that coached the best Kearsney College sides...a few years back. He drilled his sides to play balanced rugby in attack and defence...he encouraged innovation, thinking players, to use their initiative and he gave them space to develope.

Unfortunately they go away to Sharks academy and other places in SA and get their wings clipped to play the conventional Saffa style. We mess up the backline play...so many young halves and centres are brilliant but get shafted into a game that they are not suited to flourish.

How many, quite a few that come to mind...Johan Goosen, Ruan Pienaar, Pat Lambie etc.

IMHO I'm quite certain if they played their rugby in NZ their futures would have been a lot more fulfilled. I know I'm walking on thin ice here but I've heard this been said by a few players and rugby coaches...which standpoint has much more substance, knowledge and integrity.

I'm certainly not an authority but to me it makes common sense...maybe Rassie is working on this but if SA rugby has to bloom to it's demanding standards it needs coaches at schools that see this...the Paarl schools, Grey Bloems and all schools really but it needs to addressed here at the top schools and the rest will follow. I know this to be very true to my old school that used to beat Grey Bloem and take big scalps in the seventies, eighties and early nineties but is useless today...just a shadow of what we used to be. Butch, Joel, Jeremy Thomson and Pieter Muller used to say this a few years back. They are guys that knew the value of good school coaching.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Aug 2019, 15:03
#43
24 Aug 2019, 15:03#43

I hear backline play a lot. I never hear attacking rugby. That's part of the problem. Modern functional attacking rugby incorporates all 15 players. For many, many years the distinctive aspect of New Zealand rugby was the use of the forwards as well as backs ball-in-hand. Part of the reason why the gap has lessened between them and the rest of the world is that everyone else is doing the very same thing. South Africa, as it is now, is a very rigid pattern based team. Saffer sides are heavily scripted. This is hard to overcome because, as a culture, Saffers are not proactive thinkers. Our players are passive, as South Africans in general are passive. We can teach them different ways playing, but it will always have to be adapted to what Saffers are. Every attempt to play like another nation will ultimately fail, because South Africans are very different people. They are emotional and enjoy physicality, ergo, the strongest aspects of our game will always be founded on those qualities. Meyer gave many players opportunities to make decisions, to assert themselves. Not many could do it. If we evaluate the inherent qualities of these players, we find the very same cultural qualities an impediment to that style of play. Look no further than Damian and Steph. 

We don't need to change our style, we simply need to do it better. Using more ball isn't going to make using said ball more effective. Using the ball more constructively will make it better. I think we have players to play a better brand of South African rugby right now, but that clearly isn't Rassie's forte. So we become the Stormers. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Aug 2019, 15:32
#44
24 Aug 2019, 15:32#44

Did you actually study South African psychology at University and wrote a  masters degree on that topic?   Or is it just BS deductions you like to make from observations you note in yourself?   

I have only Psychology 11 on higher level - but I know enough about the topic to realize that what you wrote above is just plain and simple garbage.  The same goes with your interpretation of rugby.   You are just  too ignorant to understand rugby as a game.   So you try and prove something by ignoring facts and doctoring stats.

Any positive proof about Meyer giving players the opportunities you alleged above?   Facts actually proof that the exact opposite happened.     

Happy Idiots Day to you!!!! LMAO

      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Aug 2019, 15:47
#45
24 Aug 2019, 15:47#45

I have an A Level psychology. 

I have schooled you left right and centre Lügnerin. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Aug 2019, 15:51
#46
24 Aug 2019, 15:51#46

No

I am schooled by intelligence - not idiocy like in your case.  LOL  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Aug 2019, 15:55
#47
24 Aug 2019, 15:55#47

"I am schooled by intelligence"

Intelligence, is that forename or surname?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Aug 2019, 19:04
#48
24 Aug 2019, 19:04#48

It is never attached to you and the other Idi ot Speakers,.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Aug 2019, 19:10
#49
24 Aug 2019, 19:10#49
Now it's now an it? I hope you aren't muddling up your pronouns. 


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