So Berry agreed with 17 of Rassie’s points

Lots of EGG landing on two well know egg magnets! Hahahahaha

You can safely assume there were in fact more than 17.

So lets just accept for a moment Berry made 17 errors in 35 minutes of ply. ie an error every 2 minutes.

Now you can be sure there were other errors he is not coming clean on.

So glad to see Rassie and SA Rugby will appeal the decision.

I would like them to sue in a court of law!

To quote Mozzzz - "I’m sure Berry simply pointed out what I did….perhaps 3 or 4 of the calls were wrong with the benefit of slo mo hindsight".

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  - Berry admitted to 17 errors. the IRB said 23 and Rassie listed 26.

Lets go with the IRB as the most likely number of errors.

Now tell me you want this shocking display of reffing to go unpunished. Berry is concerned about these facts coming to light as they effect his reputation. Well they should!

Crash go mozzzz and the org once again. Its becoming a daily occurrence.

The EGG has Landed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is the transparency about the ref, he is no acting if he is a victim. What about when it was a clear knock on, laughed in Kolisi face and told him it was not a knock on?!

John Smit best line was it look like the Jones and Berry were on a date!

That alone  should be enough to make your blood boil. Yes, Referees get a wrong from time to time, but to be blatantly biased,  make if your errors mean nothing. 

Would you let a surgeon make a few errors, no. 

He is not an amateur, paid professional

So even assuming Berry wasn’t just trying to throw Harrassmiss a bone… .Harrassmiss was wrong in 19 of his 36 calls. A higher rate of error than Berry despite the benefit of slow motion review for Rassie and real time decision making with all it’s challenges for Berry.

How humiliating…..hahaha. You guys just keep putting both feet in it.

This is just one instance of Berry being corrected in last weekend's game..... there are more

"The TMO was also called into action to determine whether Wales’ left-winger had scored the 73rd minute try which effectively sealed the win.

Berry again did his reputation no favours by asking Terheege to check whether the scorer was onside. He quickly received a response confirming a player cannot be offside chasing his own kick"

The bottom line is that José is the beneficiary of bad calls, not a victim. Los Pumas were reffed out of the game, the Lions had lots go against them, and the Wallabies had to overcome tremendously lopsided periods. In an even remotely "fair" contest, the Lions series is lost, we lose at least one Puma test, we don't beat New Zealand, and we don't beat Wales. I haven't seen it quite like this since 2010, 2011. José has no interest in anything other than trying to get an edge off the field, to benefit on it. Pressure the refs. That's what he accomplished, and that's the end of the matter. Rugby was not the winner. 

We've been through these calls, and as Moz already pointed out, that was not the case. Not really much wiggle room to defend our man Josè. 

Firstly Plum calling them ‘bad’ calls is probably an overstatement. These are calls he was willing to concede….the bad calls he actually tended to make more of.  

Secondly I think he was trying to placate Erasmus. For example the advantage call. The Boks clearly had significant advantage…they made a mistake right after he called it. Erasmus’ argument was for time….that’s nowhere in the rules. 

No need for him to concede that point and in fact stupid given he was dealing with a snake like Erasmus.

So I think the number of clear cut, non grey area mistakes was far lower.

And some of the mistakes like the Watson spear tackle was down to the TMO who had every opportunity and all the resources necessary to call it.

So this may not have been the most accurate team, but given the complexity of rugby rules you are going to have 30plus calls in the grey area. We can resolve some of those by going to video reviews….but a try like the Zammit try for Wales last Saturday is frankly still unclear after extensive reviews.

Almost every try scoring build up or card offense are video reviewed. And so the result is unlikely to be changed by random error. Consistent error on one side is not random it’s biased. I don’t believe this was the case with Berry although his TMO a South African is less clear.

We can simplify rules or we can make the game a forensic marathon…but personally I think we are about in the sweet spot for rugby as a sport and an entertainment.

Well when the guy blowing the whistle during a game at this level  admits that he made 17 incorrect calls when confronted with the video and is now claiming that the video will ruin his career.

The IRB listed 23 incorrect calls and that is the number I would go with.

Well he should never be allowed to ref another game unless it is at Pub rugby level.

Shocking that he has not been suspended or fired.

What a balls up the IRB has made of this whole situation.

Pleased to read that the ruling is being appealed. 

The IRB listed 23 incorrect calls…where?

I think it's time we had a video of the biased calls for the Boks. Trust me, that'd be a far, far more sinister viewing. Throat slams, shoulder charges to heads, deliberate knock ons, the belly-flopping at scrum time, the 9 forward passes. one by Faf for a try against Australia, skew lineout throws, flopping on the ruck, obstructing chasers, knock ons uncalled (one for a try, off Wiese's shoulder), taking players out of the air, spear tackles, mysterious streams of penalties one way in favour of the Boks. The list goes on and on and on and on. This reality makes any and every attempted defence of José utterly ridiculous. The Boks are, as I have said, the 2010 All Blacks. 

@Plum: I have never seen you call him José. I did so as José, quite sadly, became a narcissist with a model that is outdated and doesn't work. In truth, it's a compliment to Rassie, as he will never achieve the standards Mourinho himself achieved, of his own work! Rassie leans heavily on the old Krutch.

You can do it Aug….it would be a service to our fellow posters.

For the record all we know is 36 calls were submitted by Erasmus and Berry agreed 17 were incorrect.

But even if that is the correct figure, it’s one bad call every 4,7 minutes"

Correct Plum.... however you are being far too generous with the time.

It is actually 2 minutes or 120 seconds for every bad call against the Springboks, that Berry has actually admitted to, in that particular game.

A ref can obviously only make any call wh ilst the ball is in play, and the ball was only in actual physical play, for 35 minutes of that game.

"Try building up any momentum under those conditions.

Fucking impossible...…. and now that Berry has actually admitted to 17 of these errors.... if anyone thinks those numbers are acceptable for ANY team.....they don't enjoy a fair game of rugga.

Yes, it appears from what is claimed here, some valid and some not so valid that rugby is a game of chance (from the reffing point of view)...has a lottery element . We have always known this to a very minor degree and it's something that can never be 100% and it's understood but when it appears here with a specific individual these figures of errors look ridiculous.

I don't believe in ref bashing but surely there's a line to be drawn somewhere. 

Berry has shown terrible inconsistency, ie laterly in Wales/Fiji game and it rings a bell.

World Rugby (ex IRB) board appears to consist of stuffy, arrogant men with extreme bureaucratic tendancies...long past a true love of the game but control freaks that abuse power to either satisfy control and power and perhaps even feather their nests...who knows but it appears to be.

"If the words “independent committee” are used in that context then you’ll probably find that the requirement of “independent” has not been met."

You would also think that this "independent" committee could have very easily and quite safely have kept this final outcome under wraps, within their tight circle...….until this last game of the season is over.... but no, they just had to release this outcome now.

Anyone who thinks or believ es otherwise is just delusional

I may not always like the man himself.... but Keo go it absolutely 100% spot on …...when he tweeted this a few days before the actual outcome came out.

"Don’t be shocked if @WorldRugby sends out a findings statement on @RassieRugby hearing a day before Sat #springboks v @EnglandRugby Test …just to add disruption to @Springboks

— Mark Keohane (@mark_keohane) November 15, 2021"

Agree DA. Having the hearing and releasing findings just before the England match has ensured a very nasty atmosphere and probably a very nasty game. It was DELIIBERATE.

Go to appeal and if no satisfaction sue in a court of law. 

DA have you seen any evidence of wrong doing by Rassie being presented?

"DA have you seen any evidence of wrong doing by Rassie being presented?"

Every single piece of "evidence" so far.... has all been hearsay or unproven...… which in most instances... whether it be a criminal court of law... or a disciplinary / performance hearing..... does not, or should not, hold much water when determining any kind of sanction to be imposed.

They probably used the "balance of probabilities" to rule against Rassie, but with these type of serious charges in particular..... and the kind of sanction that it could involve.....it should never be presented, or accepted.

I'll be very honest here..... if it was proven with indisputable facts and proof, that Rassie leaked that video for any reason , I would want him sanctioned to the full extreme of the laws involved in the WR organization..... even including a lifetime ban..... I seriously would, because it goes against everything I believe in.

However, at the same time.....what has happened to Rassie and how he has been treated, also goes against everything I believe in, and I think him and SA rugby are being shafted..... and this latest release of the hearing's findings right before such a very crucial game, when they could have held onto it .... just until Sunday even.... clearly proves it to me...…..so I 100% fully support their cause against WR

DA

WR are probably aware of the optics of all of this.

And as we have seen, they care for themselves before anything else. 

This is why I am calling Saturday's game in favour of the Boks with the England side being the sacrificial lambs used to cover WR's arses.

IE Look at how many calls went their way this weekend but they never complained.

I'm going with 65% to 35% penalty count in favour of the Boks.

Let us see if my crystal ball is still working.

DA face up to certain facts. The IRB has done practically nothing about bad reffing. Rassie apparently has sent in may clips like this and apparently got no reply.

Secondly, it is very obvious a lot of bad reffing goes on and its being happening for years. 

Now if the above is true I have no problem with Rassie leaking the clip as it has highlighted just how bad things are. Further the response of the IRB has again proven they cover these things up. 

The complainant who has been wronged gets censured and the perpetrator, Berry, is cast as the victim.

This is outrageous!

Something had to blow this up and I would be even more appreciative of R assie if he did it. As things stand his lawyer said he didnt so I cant as yet give Rassie full credit.

I suspect Berry is the leaker but no proof of this yet.

 "I have no problem with Rassie leaking the clip as it has highlighted just how bad things"

"Something had to blow this up and I would be even more appreciative of Rassie if he did it"

If Rassie had consistently sent 10 previous videos requesting detailed feedback, so that he could address and improve his team's penalty count for repeated infringements, and he got absolutely no response or assistance in that regard at all.... over a long period of time..... then yes, I absolutely agree with going to the media, because it would have been a deliberate act by WR, as well as blatant bias or favouritism …. or just downright incompetence...….but we do not know that as fact, and it is very unlikely that it happened like that, because it was never mentioned as being a problem before.

I am saying that if Rassie released this tape for malicious reasons, when he would and could have received feedback within a reasonable timeframe, then no, I do not agree with it at all and he should be penalized to the full extent of their laws.

So there is a contradicting statement in the report, Berry tol Peyper that Rassie was threatening him with a leak if he did not respond but Peyper said it never came up and that Berry should respond to Rassie as it is the right thing to do. 

My main point here is that Berry deliberately did not engage with Rassie, at all. Gave him now feedback and that is exactly the point here. 

What is world rugby doing, did Berry just have a bad game where he blew poorly all game but the Lions got the better of it or was he bias. Either way, having so many errors and not getting dropped to a lower league until they can get their game up to standards. 

"My main point here is that Berry deliberately did not engage with Rassie, at all"

Yep, this was definitely deliberate from Berry...…. sleeping at 5pm on a Sunday is crucial to ensuring you rest your active mind, to be able get all these calls correct in the next game

According to the Report Berry gave Erasmus the feedback we have all read, which any reasonable person could only call friendly and constructive. The next day the tape was released into the public domain.

Berry should never be allowed to take part any any first class rugby game in the future.

He has conceded to 17 errors in his control of the 1st Test with the BL, but the IRB have mentioned 23 of the 26 claimed by Erasmus.

How much more evidence do you doubters require to admit bias by the ref in that test?

If any ref makes that number of "wrong" calls in a test match or any top rugby game is it incompetence or flat out bias.

The answer is really do you dislike the Springboks to a degree in allowing these calls to continue or is sport supposed to be handled fairly by the officials.