So let's check the logic again....

The call was for the sacking of Morne....and the selection of young players like Lambie and Taute. Then we would have a running game. Well bless my soul, it hasn't worked. Could the theory be wrong. Could our general back play in RSA perhaps need a total revamp?

Nope that's far too agreeable, there have to be culprits....dirty, clandestine buggers working against the running game. Hmmm.....Pienaar was actually pretty good, he got the ball to the backs in the twinkling of an eye. Can't blame him.

But what about Jean, nobody likes an older player anyway. And then there's Heineke. He really screwed up when the Beast had his problem, he brought in Heinke, whose penalty won the match....nah, don't even go there. It's his tactics that sink us. Lambie was a magnificent running flyhalf in the CC final, right? Well not really, but his heart was in the right place. And Jantjies and Goosen they are just ready to rip, if only Whineke would just let them.

So it's really old Whineke that holds us back. But wait a minute, if that the case maybe Morne is actually a great attackling flyhalf playing under verkrampte orders. After all one can see no statistical daylight between Morne and his 3 would be successors.

No, Meyer has been great as our coach, hell we managed a 4 point win over a depleted Irish side and hey while we are at it why dont we bring back the wonderfully creative Morne at 10 - who after how many tests continued to deliver the same boring crap.

But better still lets give Lambie and Goosen the boot as 10's after a handful of apperances - same of Taute at 13.

Talk about an ignorant twat

Nope I'm perfectly happy with Lambie at 10, I'm just struck by his close resemblance to Morne Steyn. Taute should go back to 15 before he loses another test.

Lambie and Goosen have proven they are good attacking players that are runners. Morne has proven he is a kicker. This has been made clear in the SuperXV and Curry Cup, and also at bok level. If Morne had played instead of Goosen in the Pretoria against Australia it would never have been a 5 try win for the boks

Yep Moffie knows his rugby, we now have Lambie resembling Morne - good call Moffie, keep up the good work.

So let me guess, Taute nearly lost us the Irish test??????????????

BS I agree Lambie and Goosen are much more inclined to attack. But things wont change unless they really do attack. Looking at these stats of our flyhalves most recent games, there is little evidence of that. The most notable thing is the tackling that Lambie did. Otherwise Lambie and Morne compare very similarly to Jantjies/Goosen who combined for the NZ game. Except Lambie and Morne at least beat one tackle.

With all the talk about how exciting things have been with the young 10s, it all amounts to one fine break by Goosen against Oz. He is the unique player in this group. Lambie and Jantjies have nice touches, and Lambie has good vision as well. But these guys aren't Carter's or Michalaks. They will gradually regress to typical SA flyhalves as they get older. Kicking a lot. In fact if you look at the Kick/pass/run stats Lambie and Morne are almost identical.

If we want a flowing running game, Goosen is the only bet. But then we better have loosies who can get out wide and stop turnovers....centres and fullbacks who can play in tune. Just starting to run from the 10 slot without massive changes will simply result in chaos.  Our game plan, as it currently exists, is not in synch with this.

 without headings these stats are incomprehendable. What does 0/0 actually mean. 

The ones for Goosen, which game was this. Was it the Johanesbury game?

Does that help? CB means clean break, DB means defenders beaten, T/O is turnovers conceded.  Mostly one focuses on kick/pass/run.....MR, which is metres run, the tackle stat which gives tackles made/tackles missed....and DB the defenders beaten.

I woud copy and paste into a spreadsheet and include the columns, then enter onto the site by copying and pasting. If you could also give the context of which matches are being compared. 

Then do it old Sport. I'm not on the payroll. The numbers I posted were for their most recent matches. Goosen and Jantjies are for the NZ match, if you like you can add up their stats to get an amalgamated flyhalf performance. It all seems pretty obvious....nobody ran with the ball, they kicked about the same amount....Lambie made a lot more tackles. If you want to dig deeper, be my guest.

 You are providing the logical arguement to support and validate your interpretation as factual or reality.

Any stats should be meaningful and be in context to prove the arguement as logical objective facts. The running rugby provided by Goosen was the best seen in many a year in the Johanesburg test. you mention the excellant run he made that allmost scored a try.

Although you did not mention the amount of times he got his backline moving.

Much better 15 man rugby than we have seen in years during that game.

It was reminescient of the Carel Duplessis 66-22 win.

Goosen was drawing players due to his running ability and also getting his outside players to run of him at angles- like Dan Carter.

Lambie is good but he does not have the same potential as Goosen. 

Lambie had a solid game and he will run when he sees a gap. He needs to settle down and grow in confidence. At this stage of his Bok flyhalf career and with so many boneheads bleating on about things they know not of he could make one test losing mistake and be roasted alive. Lambie is smart and he knows that.

Meyer must be given credit for his half time talk as the side improved dramatically after half time.

@beeno the boks should not have been there in the first place. they were blown of the ball by a very much second string side. not disrespect to the irish side but they are not golden era side of yesteryear....

sorry to say but the meyer one trick circus charlie approach will not work going forward. he is a great coach but is to narrow minded.

I think it's fair to say that the Boks were probably a bit unravelled by the Beast incident on the morning before the match. I'm with Hasbeen on this....Meyer did a nice job of settling his troops at half time.