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So not one comment about the Mostert try

Started by Mozart51 REPLIES2,128 VIEWS· 07 Nov 2022, 15:36
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 15:36
#1
07 Nov 2022, 15:36#1

….and not one comment in the South African press or on this Board (Plum excepted) about Allende gifting Ireland their second try. Why is that I wonder. We are getting like the political press, simply ignoring facts which don’t suit us?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 15:52
#2
07 Nov 2022, 15:52#2
Oh what utter shit that DA was responsible for the Irish second try Good try by Mostert - does that make him a better player - no he is still the physical liability he has always been
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 16:07
#3
07 Nov 2022, 16:07#3

So who was supposed to run down Gibson-Park in open space, Kitshoff? Or was there simply no way to stop the Irish try?

Sadly for us this is another Dud mental error, a failure to adapt to circumstances, that led to another test loss, just like England.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 16:36
#4
07 Nov 2022, 16:36#4
Well DA was certainly not going to run him down and another certainty is that DA was not to blame for that England try - we have done that to death and your take was a load of crap just like this Irish call. Just because you say he is to blame because you hate him so much does not mean that is the case - it’s a load of prejudicial bullshit I don’t rate Mostert at all but at least I can be honest enough to say he scored a good try The biggest issue with the Irish second try was us not protecting the ball, why the fuck did it come flying out from under Marx nose and why was no Bok there to pick it up?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 16:47
#5
07 Nov 2022, 16:47#5

He bit on the dummy….you can’t rush up on your normal assignment when the player inside isn’t marked. If Allende adjusted and came inside to tackle GP there was no try. Simples.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 17:06
#6
07 Nov 2022, 17:06#6
Oh what utter shit DA was marking the outside man the blatant forward pass to the reserve prop was the biggest issue and the obstructing Irish player was in the way of Kitshoff making the tackle Expecting DA covering wide to adjust in time to cover a speedy 9 is laughable It’s the usual prejudicial bullshit Not even close
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 17:27
#7
07 Nov 2022, 17:27#7
G-P was running laterally it was just a matter on targeting him…..Dud was the ONLY player who could have stopped him. And he was so dumb he just went ahead with the rush.
Not prejudice….simple logic.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 18:26
#8
07 Nov 2022, 18:26#8
Bullshit he was not running laterally he was targeting space created by the fluke incident of the reserve prop receiving a blatant forward pass. DA was rightfully covering the outside player in the knowledge that the inside should have been covered by Kitshoff, who himself was obstructed from making the tackle by an Irish player For all kinds of reasons that should never have been a try starting with our cock up that ball flying out from under Marx, no one being their to recover it, the forward pass and the obstructing Irish player
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Nov 2022, 18:36
#9
07 Nov 2022, 18:36#9

Mostert was as always a Rock and this was already his second try....saving the Boks from a embarrassing score....

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 18:48
#10
07 Nov 2022, 18:48#10
Bullshit Mostert is a physical liability and if you can’t see that you don’t know your rugby
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Nov 2022, 18:51
#11
07 Nov 2022, 18:51#11

Come on Dave,  if  you Can't see his worth, then something is missing to, in Rugby knowledge 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 19:46
#12
07 Nov 2022, 19:46#12
It’s simple - a test lock or blindside needs to be big and physical - something Mostert is not. You see Mostert running all game but next time take a closer look. When he runs into players does he carry them or break the advantage line. It only needs to be 1m to give you forward momentum. The answer is no, Mostert can’t impose himself physically because he is light and weak. Same applies when he tries to clean players out - it’s ineffective I say it again Mostert would not make my Bok squad of 100
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
07 Nov 2022, 19:46
#13
07 Nov 2022, 19:46#13

Mostert is no Wiese, but he is strong enough. He is very accurate. The last I looked at combined stats (I don't worship them), he was the most accurate tackler and second for volume. Absolutely indispensable. The team needs his mobility and workrate to become more dynamic. The Boks were a better team when he started more regularly. 

Damian is Damian; a gaff machine. He lost the 2018 England test with a penalty to give England the lead (which flipped a switch for them mentally, they diced us up thereafter), lost the England test last year, lost the Ireland test in the end. He has a history of losing tests singlehandedly. Big players have big moments; he doesn't have any. That's the most remarkable aspect of his career. You list the big names, some player I may not rate that highly, we can then reference big moments, big plays. The media fabrications have the reputation and support, but a blank cv. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 19:47
#14
07 Nov 2022, 19:47#14
Oh what utter shit
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Nov 2022, 20:02
#15
07 Nov 2022, 20:02#15

Agreed Deus XL....Mostert Is worth Much more than what he gets credit for.....Reliable and as Tough as nails....all our Forwards needs credit especially Eben....they have carried our Core, leaving the Backline Players a Bit wanting....but if that latter part gets more Attention in way of Gameplan + Proper Attack coaching Structures, then we on our way.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
07 Nov 2022, 20:50
#16
07 Nov 2022, 20:50#16

This coaching team underutilizes Eben. He is a good player, but appears to be going backwards like Pollard. The Erasmus effect. Under Coetzee, Eben was more of a focal point, and the production reflected that. He is also probably the only leader in the team. I don't approve of his off the ball antics, but he is a big presence on the field and proactive. He is a natural leader. One of the big failings of this team right now is a lack of leadership across the board. Once we had Smit, Victor, Bakkies, Du Preez, Jean, Fourie, Habana, Schalk, Os, and Percy. You don't see Bok teams like that anymore. Snyman will probably never play at any meaningful level again, which really hurts us. Eben and Snyman would be the most unstoppable lock pair in world rugby, and powerful. Factor in a Kwagga, Mostert, Marx, and Wiese to add blunt force trauma and you have a seriously powerful pack with skill. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 22:28
#17
07 Nov 2022, 22:28#17

Courtesy of Plum, who else was in a position to tackle Gibson -Park



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 22:29
#18
07 Nov 2022, 22:29#18

In that image you see the vulnerability of the rush defense applied blindly.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
07 Nov 2022, 22:39
#19
07 Nov 2022, 22:39#19

A jink in the line and poor leverage. It's amazing how often we see some of our players exhibit a lack of awareness for line integrity. At this level, one really should have an intuitive feel for these things. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2022, 01:47
#20
08 Nov 2022, 01:47#20

Absolutely

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
08 Nov 2022, 09:04
#21
08 Nov 2022, 09:04#21

Agreed but still R&N persists with the same personnel and blah blah Gameplan....we should not be losing these close games....we had a Plethora of possession but not much to show for it.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Nov 2022, 09:35
#22
08 Nov 2022, 09:35#22

Mozart

I did not comment on the Mostert try because I was following your example of not commenting on tries by players like De Jager, Du Toit and De Allende while trying to discredit the players even when scoring tries.   That is typical in your case - so why accuse others of the same thing as you routinely do?       

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Nov 2022, 13:56
#23
08 Nov 2022, 13:56#23

we should not be losing these close games...

Game only appeared close due to IR lapse.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Nov 2022, 15:21
#24
08 Nov 2022, 15:21#24

Look at where DDA starts from. 

He knows that this is broken play, and the rush defense relies heavily on 15 to cover. 

It's not just poor execution in totally buying a dummy but the awareness of when to apply the rush defense is totally missing. 

All DDA has to do is know where Kriel is and if the 15 is where he should be. 

And he already knows that Kriel is beside him...so all he really had to know was where 15 was...and he seemingly had no idea whatsoever. Unless of course, one thinks that rushing up like that is a good idea when you have zero cover at the back.

DDA is the Mega Perma Gaff machine. And exactly right, where are his big moments? I can remember 2...at a stretch. Now let's look at other regulars such as Faf, Pollard, Kolbe, Am...even Mapimpi. They all have had big moments. 

I'll ask again Saffex, since you rest your case for DDA on the fact that he is large and can carry into traffic...why don't we simply put a bigger player in there that is just as fast. I can think of about 5 loosies off the top of my head that could do, what you claim to be DDA's job, but better. 

The answer is easy...because a 12 needs more attributes. 

And that's exactly the point!


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2022, 16:55
#25
08 Nov 2022, 16:55#25

You are wrong Plum, Dud Allende has had at least 3 massive moments:

1 Failing to close down Nonu at RWC 2015, literally gifting NZ a try and the semi.

2 Literally moving away from Marchant when he had the ball in Dud’s lane and losing the Pom game 2021.

3 Failing to react to the broken play that had Gibson-Park setting up the second Irish try, when he was the only player in position to snuff him out.

By contrast I can think of one positive ….when he ran over Biggar who was stupidly trying to strip the ball instead of making the tackle….winning the Welsh semi in 2019 and offsetting Dud Toit’s bungling on the blind side that led to the Adam’s try for Wales.

Dud Allende is like the incompetent employee you keep because of familiarity and find out just how much he held the company back, when he leaves.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2022, 16:56
#26
08 Nov 2022, 16:56#26
Fuck me thanks to Plums photo it’s fucking obvious the man to take GP is Kitshoff - he is right there. But gets obstructed by an Irish player - penalty
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Nov 2022, 17:28
#27
08 Nov 2022, 17:28#27

One thing is for sure, Saffex would make a great friend.

Once you're in his good books, it's basically impossible to get out of them and he'll back you in the face both angry crowds and logic.

We all need more friends like you, Saffex.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2022, 18:58
#28
08 Nov 2022, 18:58#28
Same can be said of you dicks when it comes to someone you dislike The lengths you go to to discredit DA are fucking childish Evidenced by your photo - fuck a 5 year old would be able to tell you which Bok player was closest to GP - but noooooo it’s DA’s fault You are a bunch of ignorant jokes. You disclose a photo proving what fools you are - nice work
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
08 Nov 2022, 21:50
#29
08 Nov 2022, 21:50#29

The Pic does show how chaotic this Rush defense is that DDA and Jessica runs completely past ball carrier, leaving a hole the size of Alaska....instead of keeping your backline defence intact.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
08 Nov 2022, 21:58
#30
08 Nov 2022, 21:58#30


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Nov 2022, 22:56
#31
08 Nov 2022, 22:56#31
We are recognised as being one of the best defensive sides in the game so it works most of the time
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2022, 23:51
#32
08 Nov 2022, 23:51#32

So Dave you are willing to bet a test on Kitshoff being able to take down GP in space by himself, not even as part of a defensive line? 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Nov 2022, 00:47
#33
09 Nov 2022, 00:47#33
Looking at that photo yes - there is no doubt Kitshoff could have tackled GP if he had not been obstructed It is the very reason DA was covering the outside man, he was trusting his inside defender
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Nov 2022, 04:07
#34
09 Nov 2022, 04:07#34
He was trusting his inside defender….great….how did that work out. You miss the point Dave, nobody is saying Dud missed a tackle, we are saying he completely misjudged the situation. The proof? They scored the try. Case closed.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Nov 2022, 14:01
#35
09 Nov 2022, 14:01#35
Crap if you understand defensive structures you know that a player is not expected to cover two players unless there is an overlap DA was covering his opposite man, knowing Kitshoff was on his inside covering that channel - it’s that simple Blaming DA for the try is the biggest load of shit ever much like the England try It’s simply not true and has everything to do with prejudicial bullshit You lot are so desperate to discredit DA at every turn when instead he proves you wrong game after game. I bet had DA gone for GP and GP had offloaded to his outside man who would have run straight through the gap DA would have left - you would have blamed him for that to
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Nov 2022, 18:00
#36
09 Nov 2022, 18:00#36

So he was happy with a prop covering a scrum half in broken play? Even if that was true there is no way you over run the move like that. He isn’t parallel with GP….he is was way ahead of him opening a lateral gap for the scrum half to run through even if Kitshoff could have reached him. Awful defending.

 You are so anxious to back up your laughable ‘world’s best 12’ claim that you are totally unable to see the errors this man makes the moment he has to make a decision…..nor the amount of ball he wastes by being incapable of offloading.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Nov 2022, 20:51
#37
09 Nov 2022, 20:51#37
Yes a prop in the modern game in broken play, plays just as much a role as any other player defensively Dumn right DA never had the responsibility to cover GP as he was covering his opposite man The Boks employ a rush, it’s exactly what DA did with others covering deeper Nothing anxious about backing the best 12 in the game I’m just telling it as it is The only thing that is laughable is you blaming DA for the try - it’s such predictable bullshit Just like Mostert using his physicality to score his try - more bullshit Moz
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
09 Nov 2022, 21:26
#38
09 Nov 2022, 21:26#38

Damian is a poor man's Jorrie Muller. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Nov 2022, 21:38
#39
09 Nov 2022, 21:38#39
de Allende is the best 12 in the game
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
09 Nov 2022, 21:51
#40
09 Nov 2022, 21:51#40

Damian's career highlights...


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