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Some very useful guys are playing overseas

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Mar 2016, 14:25
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14 Mar 2016, 14:25#1

SARugbymag.co.za looks back at the past weekend's English Premiership, French Top 14 and Six Nations matches, involving South African players.

ENGLISH PREMIERSHIP

– Bath, with Francois Louw at flank, slu mped to a 35-28 defeat against Harlequins at The Stoop. The winners outscored Bath four tries to one to move up to sixth on the log.

– Wasps returned to winning ways with a thrilling 36-24 win over the Leicester Tigers at Ricoh Arena. The contest pitted hooker Ashley Johnson and Michael van Vuuren against each other, but it was Johnson who won the battle up front against his compatriot. The result takes Wasps up to third in the standings.

– Lock Victor Matfield and his Northampton Saints teammates recorded a 26-11 bonus-point victory against the Sale Sharks at Franklin's Gardens. Prop Brian Mujati was named in Sale's starting lineup. The Saints now occupy the last playoff spot on the log, while Sale drop to eighth.

– Outside centre Wynand Olivier, scrumhalf Francois Hougaard, No 8 Gerrit-Jan van Velze and tighthead propNic Schonert were in the Worcester Warriors side that claimed a much-needed 28-20 home victory over Gloucester. The win took the Warriors 13 points clear of the relegation zone.

– The second-placed Exeter Chiefs thumped the Newcastle Falcons 32-17 at Sandy Park. Flank Don Armand featured heavily for the winners, while lockMouritz Botha was on duty for the Falcons.

– Saracens, with inside centre Brad Barritt and flank Michael Rhodes in their run-on XV, were the only away team to win this past weekend as they beat hosts London Irish 26-16. Prop Petrus du Plessis, lock Alistair Hargreaves and scrumhalf Neil de Kock played off the bench for Sarries, who strengthened their position at the top of the table.

FRENCH TOP 14

– Toulouse kicked a late penalty to snatch a 13-13 draw against Bordeaux at home. Loosehead props Gurthrö Steenkamp played for Toulouse, while Steven Kitshoff did so for Bordeaux. LockJandré Marais started alongside Kitshoff for the visitors, who are now fourth on the log. Toulouse have fallen off the pace a little and are ranked sixth.

– Racing secured bragging rights after thumping city rivals Stade Français 34-16 away from home. Morné Steyn, who started alongside flank Willem Alberts and No 8 Jono Ross, kicked 11 points (a conversion and three penalties) for Stade, but it was his former Bok teammate Johan Goosen who was at the forefront of the Paris derby. Having come on early in the second half, Goosen scored a try and nailed three conversions for an 11-point haul to guide Racing to an emphatic victory. Locks Juandré Kruger and Francois van der Merwe as well as No 8 Antonie Claassen were in the winners' starting team.

– Scrumhalf Rory Kockott turned out for Castres, who scored seven unanswered tries to hammer Agen 50-6. Flank Marco Kotzé and flyhalf Burton Francis did service for Agen, with the latter accounting for his team's points via two first-half penalties.

– Clermont clinched a 25-6 bonus-point win against Brive to consolidate their place in the top two on the log. Lock Flip van der Merwe, prop Dan Kotzé and hooker Marthinus van Schalkwykdonned the colours of Clermont. Second row duo Johan Snyman and Peet Marais, prop Kevin Buys and flank Paul Hauman represented Brive, who are in the bottom half of the table.

– La Rochelle were also able to pick up maximum log points from their match against Pau after securing a 35-16 win at home. Scrumhalf Ricky Januarie played 70 minutes for the winning team.

– Toulon recorded an emphatic 38-8 bonus-point triumph over Grenoble in Mayol. Bok loose forwards Duane Vermeulen and Juan Smith started for the hosts and managed to score a try apiece. Lock Hendrik Roodt played a 25-minute cameo for Grenoble, who are languishing in 10th spot. Toulon are third behind Racing and Clermont.

– Montpellier's impressive run of form continued with a comfortable 31-10 away win against Oyonnax. Locks Jacques du Plessis and Paul Willemse, flank Wiaan Liebenberg, No 8 Pierre Spies, flyhalf Demetri Catrakilis and centre pairing Frans Steyn and Robert Ebersohn made Montpellier's starting XV, with front rowers Bismarck du Plessis and Jannie du Plessiscompleting the match 23. Bismarck and Willemse both barged over for a try, Catrakilis added four conversions and a penalty kick and Jacques du Plessis was yellow-carded. Oyonnax featured eighthman Pedrie Wannenburg and hooker Jody Jenneker, with the latter scoring their only try. Montpellier moved up to fifth after this result and Oyonnax are rock bottom.

SIX NATIONS

– Prop WP Nel and No 8 Josh Strauss started for Scotland, who beat France 29-18 at Murrayfield. It was the first time in 10 years that Scotland had got the better of Les Bleus, who started with Scott Spedding at fullback.

– Flank CJ Stander had another storming game for Ireland in their 58-15 demolition of Italy in Dublin. Lock Quintin Geldenhuys and loose forward Braam Steyn were among the Italian reserves and played off the bench in the second half. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2016, 14:40
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14 Mar 2016, 14:40#2
 OK - lets see of the long list contained in the above report is useful still in SA selection is concerned.  Incidentally I looked at some of the matches - inclusive of the Northampton game and despite Mozart's praise song - Matfield in fact was pathetic.  
I would limit it to the following players:-
Francois HougaardSteven KitshoffJohan GoosenDuane vermeulenJacques du PlessisPaul Willemse
The rest are all has-beens and never has-beens and the younger crowd coming to the fore locally are all better than the ones listed.   
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Mar 2016, 23:23
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15 Mar 2016, 23:23#3
So funny seeing fat Ashley Johnson playing hooker these days.
CJ Stander was very good for Ireland, scoring his first try showing great strength bashing through a prop and lock to score.....real go to man for Ireland with ball in hand
Josh Strauss had a good game for Scotland playing the CJ role, in taking the ball up in traffic.
WP Nel was good at 3, Spedding solid at 15 for France

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Mar 2016, 05:51
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17 Mar 2016, 05:51#4
 Highest rated South African sourced player NH player:
3. WP Nel: 8.5
Sensational stuff from the naturalised Scot. Pummelled his opposite man in the scrum and cut some really incisive lines in the loose, most notably in the build up to Visser’s game-winning try, forcing the penalty that allowed Laidlaw and Hogg to throw caution to the wind.

He was superb at the WC, and has continued that form....indispensable in the Scottish Renaissance.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Mar 2016, 20:16
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17 Mar 2016, 20:16#5
 Some old blokes in your list Beenz. Handy SR players, but few Bok starters....biggest problem is that these experienced players are now mentoring  and sharing their wealth of xp with foreigners and our fresh crop is left rudderless. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Mar 2016, 00:30
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18 Mar 2016, 00:30#6
Of that list.....I would like to see the following still playing in SA:
KitshoffJacques du PlessisPaul WillemseHougaardGoosenJono RossPeet MaraisSchonertCJ Stander BismarkFrans SteynBraam SteynJean Cook
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2016, 02:46
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18 Mar 2016, 02:46#7
 Dave
Of your list I think that no squads - bar the Kings - would be prepared to contract Frans Steyn to play Super Rugby in SA.   He was terrible playing for the Sharks over the past three years.  
Accept it that CJ Stander is a lost course insofar as SA is concerned.   Bismarck is slightly over-the- hill and he would not play in SA again.  Matter of fact insofar as the Springboks is concerned, I would rather go for Malcolm Marx as a future Springbok is concerned.     
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Mar 2016, 03:00
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18 Mar 2016, 03:00#8
 CJ Stampkar is a ' lost course'....hehe. Not for the opposition, they seem to find his course quite easily. Another 21 metres from 15 runs against the routed Italians for this ordinary player.
He has made 66 runs in 4 games, an average of over 16 runs a game! The vast majority of those runs were snuffed out in less than 2 metres. Stunningly.....this must be some kind of record.....in all of those 66 runs he has made 1 clean break.

And this is the guy the Boks supposedly needed to beat NZ. Give me a break.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2016, 03:15
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18 Mar 2016, 03:15#9
 Mozart
If Stander is so bad as you say he is - why is Ireland keeping on selecting him?  He is a hell of a lot better loosie than Fat Willem has ever been and you keep on supporting that misfit - he never was a loosie.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Mar 2016, 03:20
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18 Mar 2016, 03:20#10
Stampkar is about at the Strauss level, a competent player without the X factor. He certainly isn't quick, he certainly isn't strong relative to the top loosies, his hands aren't exceptional, he is a reliable but not heavy tackler.......the kind of player you choose if you are Ireland or Scotland. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2016, 03:27
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18 Mar 2016, 03:27#11
 I ask you again - has Alberts got the X-Factor?   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Mar 2016, 03:35
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18 Mar 2016, 03:35#12
Certainly.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2016, 03:44
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18 Mar 2016, 03:44#13
 Mozart
He may have a factor in your opinion - but that is totally unrelated to rugby performance.  The slowest player on the field of play - the most clumsy loosie ever playing for SA - a player clueless as to ball protection and recovery - one with a lesser distance gained in ball carries than Stander.
This is one reason why I constantly differ from you about rugby performance.  You do not rate players on what they achieve on the field of play .  I do and what Alberts in fact achieved was seriously detrimental to the interests of the Sharks and the Springboks.        
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Mar 2016, 04:54
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18 Mar 2016, 04:54#14
Alberts wasn't called the Bone Collector for nothing ....Stampkar is more  of a bruise collector.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Mar 2016, 06:11
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18 Mar 2016, 06:11#15
I think he collected bones elsewhere - his tackles was normally a fifty-fifty chance of a miss and when he did tackle players it was not all that good a tackle. Huge hype of no real value.  This player was always hyped up - but never ever deserve the hype he got.  I watched him playing last week in the game against Racing Metro and he handled the ball 5 times - made one carry of about 18 meters - the other four carries was normal Alberts making less than 7 meters.  He made 9 tackles and missed 3.  Lasted about till just after halftime and was then replaced because he only in fact played for about 15 minutes early in the game and then went missing.  
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Mar 2016, 06:29
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18 Mar 2016, 06:29#16
 Alberts has XXX factor, well XXXL actually, but he was very efective close to the tryline a few seasons ago.
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