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South Africa just too fast for NZ

Started by Mozart101 REPLIES1,641 VIEWS· 09 Apr 2018, 23:10
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Apr 2018, 23:10
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09 Apr 2018, 23:10#1
Got around to watching this massacre in Hong Kong. Small, speedy, quick thinking Blitzbokke shredding big, plodding robotic Nzers. It's hard to pin down exactly why we are regularly putting these chaps to the sword....but it probably comes down to vision and quick thinking. Simonsson put in space, embarrassingly hauledin from behind. And then Davis taking a neat cross kick puts the NZ 13 on his behind with a stout handoff.....embarrassing. Finally the icing on the cake Muller du Plessis absolutely burns the NZ defence for a brilliant kick chase try. The Okes in black seem genuinely clueless.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Apr 2018, 23:19
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09 Apr 2018, 23:19#2

...i missed that game but i did see the South African womens Sevens team suffered a humiliating loss to China of all countries lol

...You gotta watch those nippy little Asians ...first it was Japan next it will be the tiny nation of Bhutan if yr not careful...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1vOi24o9zs



Mozart

I am not sure about what Fiji did -  but the Sevens teams at he Hong Kong Sevens are basically the countries "B" teams - the "A" teams are basically at the Commonwealth Games.  Be it as it may - the SA team has a number of very young players in their midst - that Du Plessis guy you refer to is only 17 years old.

The Commonwealth Games Sevens start today and I am afraid the NZ team is in  the same position.  as their "B" team is.   .  

I am a great admirer of NZ rugby - but they have for years now adopted a selection strategy that was of great use to the All Blacks - namely to disregard pace virtually totally and select physically very strong centers and outside backs - they beat their opponents by physical strength and not pace.  

The same approach found its way into their Sevens team -  too much physical plays and too few pacey  players.     That approach is a negative in sevens rugby.   That is the reason why their sevens teams are on the slide.  

In recent times our NZ members  have written  virtually nothing on site about Sevens Rugby,   They have written a lot about Tens Rugby = where pace would be less important.  

Do you follow the Commonwealth Games?   New Zealand and SA have both won 8 gold medals - but there is a problem - there are Commonwealth Games athletes who would not be competitive against athletes from other countries,   The wins accordingly in a lot of cases do not imply that winners are world class,  

There area few exceptions and there was one real surprise - like the Schoenmaker girl in the 100 and 200 breaststroke.   She won by such  big distances that it brings her into the top 3 times in the world this year,   Incidentally she beats the times set by Penny Heyns    This 20 year-old girl was not previously mentioned anywhere - she is a total unknown.  She was nominated to participate in the World Championships last year - but turned the nomination down because it interfered with her University studies.       She is likely to be much more active in future,

 For the rest there are two SA athletes not at the Commonwealth games who won their codes in the World Cup last year - namely the 400 meters and the long jump.  If they were there they would have been certain golds in those two events.   .                             

Speaking of netball....... “Debuting in 1994, she represented South Africa 72 times and captained the team. In 2000, she moved to Wellington, New Zealand and was quickly picked for the national team, the Silver Ferns. This caused some minor controversy, as the only rule in netball at the time for players switching between nations was a ban on playing for more than one nation in a calendar year. She was the 2003 New Zealand Sportswoman of the Year and a nominee in 2005.[2] She became a New Zealand citizen in 2005, and represented New Zealand for 14 years before retiring from international netball in June 2014. Van Dyk still plays for the Central Pulse in the ANZ Championship.[3] For most of her domestic career in New Zealand she played for the Waikato/Bay of Plenty Magic (2003-2013).”

Could the oaks please take it easy on my good friend Brycy. He does his very best to make sense despite all limitations! Actually great guy Brycy with real sense of humour.

Regarding the sevens, we have brilliant small guys for sure. if we could find two bigger guys with pace and flalr we would beat Fiji on a regular basis. Our academy side came within 2 points of beating Fiji.

I have been saying for a long time that in due course we will get bigger blacks backs with superb pace.  These black backs look to me to be faster than the Polynesian backs but smaller. However there are big blacks around and they will come into the picture and turn the tables. The Afrikaners have produced brilliant backlines all on their own. i.e. a time is coming where we will have superb backs to complement our great forwards. The signs are already there.



Okay so let's analyse what happened here. Bricy preceded this string with an explosion of strings and comments on strings putting down our rugby and SA posters....check the time stamps. I responded by starting this string on the most recent national level rugby contest between the two countries. Bricy immediately switched the attack on our women players. Opening himself up to a sucker punch about the relative performance of the two nations in beauty contests.....clearly positioned as an aside by the 'aesthetic' intro. Immediately there is horror at this 'attack' on NZ women....which obviously it wasn't. Just a light hearted but winning observation. Then ou Mike sees an opportunity to score and piles on....attacking my good self. ....... Funny stuff.

Brycy

Read the following about sheep as a special breed for meat prediction:-

"The South African Meat Merino or SAMM is a wool and meat sheep originating in South Africa, but now found throughout the world.

The SAMM is derived from the German Merinofleischschaf animals imported into South Africa from Europe in 1932, to improve the quality of wool and meat from sheep in South Africa.[1] The Deutsche Fleisch Merino is a common meat sheep in Germany, Austria, and Poland. In South Africa, the German name was translated into Afrikaans as Duitse Vleis Merino and then into English as "German Mutton Merino". The South African breed was recognised as separate in 1971 when the name was changed to South African Mutton Merino.

The SAMM has been developed as a versatile, hardy, polled dual-purpose breed. Ewes have a good maternal instinct and high milk production. Mature ewes will grow up to about 95 kg (209 lb) and rams to over 100 kg (220 lb). Ewes will produce 3.5 kg (7.7 lb) to 4.5 kg (9.9 lb) of medium/strong wool. The wool is classified separately from the higher quality wool of Merinos, to avoid the risk of contamination of the latter with hair and kemp fibre from the SAMM wool.[2]

The SAMM is bred specifically to produce a slaughter lamb at an early age (35 kg (77 lb) at 100 days of age). In judging SAMMs the emphasis is on conformation (in relation to producing meat), 60%, and not on the animal's wool (40%)."

SAMM rams have almost entirely replaced British breeds as terminal sires in the harsh regions of South Africa, where they (and their hybrids) are more adaptable than the former breeds. They were first imported into Australia in 1996. Also in 1996, Peggy Newman imported SAMM embryos from South Africa creating the first SAMM flock in Canada. In 1999, Dwight and Gwendolyn Kitzan from Nisland, South Dakota – USA, imported one of Newman’ embryo SAMM ram and have been developing the SAMM breed in the United States using top Australian SAMM producers bloodlines."

It is clear that when discussing meat issues there is a huge difference between the SA sheep production line and the general  one in NZ - the latter being largely for wool production and the latter for both meat usage and for wool production.   It is consequently  a bit spurious to discuss  the quality of the meat production between SA and NZ.   

Cloudy as an expert cook can make something exceptional from any meat - and she would do the same with the NZ breed as she does with the SA breed.       

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Apr 2018, 06:29
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11 Apr 2018, 06:29#33

Ja Maaik, I don't think it's wise to start a fight over mutton, but lamb rib on the braai is something not many NZders would have tasted ...I guess???

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Apr 2018, 06:31
#34
11 Apr 2018, 06:31#34

PS, the Scotts will tell ya that haggis is tops!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Apr 2018, 06:44
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11 Apr 2018, 06:44#35


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Apr 2018, 07:31
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11 Apr 2018, 07:31#36

Oh shamepies!!! Cloudy's gone and got her knickers in a knot ... again.

Does that mean that you're going to pout and leave us in a huff?

LOL!!!

Ok!!! ... Bye!!!


"She would whip a few butts in here that's for sure."

Yes ... I'm sure she would. These he / she's can really be scary ... especially when they don't shave. Wouldn't want to run into one those in some dark alley.

Nothing feminine about them at all. Thank the stars that I don't live in NZ. Imagine if that was one's only choice as a mate? I don't know about you but I would prefer to kiss my girl and not come away with hair in my mouth.

Hat's off to you Kiwi men. Don't know how you do it.


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WardadPro6,663 posts
11 Apr 2018, 07:59
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11 Apr 2018, 07:59#37

Is Cleam Clunt still pining after wee sheeoies ? Takes all sorts I suppose even some balding fat gutted git. with a penchant for buggery and beastie buggery at that .

\I just skip past anything it has to say Cloudster saves having to decipher its same old same old childish dribblings.Pl us it annoys it.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Apr 2018, 08:08
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11 Apr 2018, 08:08#38

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!

Oh look ... it's Hick and his broken English ... thrashing about on the floor again.

I thought you didn't read my posts, Hick?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

DumbAss!!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Apr 2018, 08:41
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11 Apr 2018, 08:41#39

Why would I be flattered, Cloudy ... unless I'm the one that sent you scurrying off in a sulk. You seem to over estimate your importance here. Don't flatter yourself, Cloudy. You are just another Kiwi.

Besides ... I thought that honour belonged to BeanDip ... or has Hick confused his illiterate self ... again? LOL!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaah ... a lecture! I can't really remember asking for one ... but ... Ok!!! I'm comfortably seated so go ahead ... tell me about being a role model.  

I'm glad that you have a wonderful life, Cloudy ... but what has that got to do with anything? What you do in the kitchen is of no interest to me.

Now that you've popped in and found that everything is as you left it ... I guess you'll be on your way again ... right? Well ... feel free to pop in ... some time ... again. We'll still be here ... posting our childish posts ... being very bad role models ... bl ah, blah, blah.


GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
11 Apr 2018, 09:02
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11 Apr 2018, 09:02#40
Karoo lamb and mutton has the nicest flavour of all I've ever tasted and that includes NZ, Australian, English, Pampas (Argentine), French and even here in Natal...it's just awesome because they feed on a bush found in the Karoo...it's a type of marqui scrub (might be similar to salt bush)...this same plant you find in southern France...it has an aroma similar to rosemary bush.

The trouble is you don't find it very easily in KZN and when you do it costs an arm and a leg...however in the Western Cape most good butcheries stock it and some chain stores (Pick "n Pay and Woolworths).

A Karoo lamb roast leg done in garlic (don't need rosemary) and roasted in aluminium foil is something to die for !

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