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South Africa needs just three wins at Twickenham; By Harry Jones the ROAR

Started by Just_win14 REPLIES436 VIEWS· 16 Jan 2015, 23:28
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Jan 2015, 23:28
#1
16 Jan 2015, 23:28#1

As everyone knows, I am a Springbok partisan. One big fact is looming for South African rugby. To win the World Cup, Heyneke Meyer’s men will need to win three straight Test matches on three consecutive weekend afternoons in October at Twickenham.

 

You will notice an assumption baked into that statement: I am banking on the ‘Boks besting Samoa, Scotland, and Japan in pool play. If South Africa does top its pool, the three-step campaign will involve a quarter-final against England, Australia or Wales and then a semi-final against New Zealand, and lastly some finalist yet to be known will be waged exclusively at “Twickers.”

 

This grand old stadium has regularly been referred to as the “Cabbage Patch”. Actually, that’s what it was, in 1909. The Rugby Football Union bought the 10.25 acre cabbage farm southwest of London for a little over 5,500 pounds sterling, attracted by the concept of exclusive rights to big game gate revenue.

 

The grounds also became the headquarters of the RFU, and for many years, the global game of rugby union. In many ways, this was the spiritual home of rugby union; today it could be argued that the soul of rugby is south of the equator, but not back in 1909.

 

The first rugby match at Twickers was Harlequins versus Richmond in 1909. The first Test match staged at “HQ” was England versus Wales on 15 January 1910.

Photographs of this dire struggle depict a muddy paddock with bemused and stationary players. The “stands” were tiny; indeed, it was only in 1921 when capacity increased to 12,000 that you could say Twickers had real grandstands.

 

It should come as no surprise that England used this rich soil in World War I as grazing for horses, cattle, and sheep. It was more suitable for agriculture than scrums.

Now, of course, Twickenham is well-drained and very big. RFU claims it is the biggest rugby-only venue in the world, with an official capacity of 81,605.

 

A few observations:

1. It is not true that only rugby is played here. Lady Gaga plays here, too; and U2.
2. Against both the All Blacks and Springboks in 2014 more than 82,000 crowded into HQ.
3. Apparently, although I cannot swear to it, the Jehovah’s Witnesses rally there.

Twickenham stays busy. For instance, in the last few months the World Club Sevens was held there, as was Oxford v. Cambridge, the QBE Internationals, and a couple of Harlequins games. After the Six Nations Tests, various finals of English schools competitions will be held at HQ, the Champions Cup final will be played in May, Under-20s finals, Army v. Navy, and finally the Aviva Premiership final.

 

All this history and reminiscing leads us to a vital question, what was the greatest game ever played at Twickenham?

 

From an English perspective, it must be the 2012 thumping of the All Blacks, who had been unbeaten in 20 matches but were annihilated by a relentless England boasting just 206 combined caps of experience. Only their seventh win over New Zealand in history, the 17 point victory was the largest ever by England over the All Blacks.

 

What made the victory even more significant was that it was completely unexpected. South Africa and Australia had beaten England in the preceding weeks and New Zealand had steamrollered everyone since their World Cup win in 2011.

 

Stuart Lancaster and all of England’s redoubtable rugby community will be hoping for some of that magic to inure once more to the 2015 Sweet Chariot. Once again, any foe will face a strong pack, devoid of a true openside flanker, but full of English roast beef, red-cheeked and rampant when going forward in tight spaces. There is a lack of invention in the backline, but then again, maybe England will have too much mustard for the Wallabies and Welsh, and find a way to the final.

 

For the Springboks, it will almost certainly involve three straight wins at Twickenham against three of the world’s top teams.

 

One of those wins will need to come at New Zealand’s expense; and Meyer has shown in Wellington and at Ellis Park in 2014 that he has an idea of how to keep the ‘Boks in the game until the last minute. Being in the Northern Hemisphere, with players like Francois Louw having more of a home-field advantage than any All Black, should skew the ‘Boks’ chances to be greater than in New Zealand, but even in Africa, beating the All Blacks is the most difficult task in rugby.

 

One of the other wins may need to be over England on their own patch. Lately, that has not proved as problematic. It was 2006 when England last beat South Africa, a two point victory, and since then, there have been 9, 48, 33, and 36-point wins by the ‘Boks, resulting in a five-Test win streak at Twickenham.

The best thing for Meyer’s men to do is fall in love with Twickenham. To adopt it.

Finish above Samoa and Scotland in pool play, and then go win three rugby games at Twickenham.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Jan 2015, 23:30
#2
16 Jan 2015, 23:30#2

Pressure:

 

"If South Africa does top its pool, the three-step campaign will involve a quarter-final against England, Australia or Wales and then a semi-final against New Zealand, and lastly some finalist yet to be known will be waged exclusively at “Twickers.”"

 

The ABs have their weaknesses as all teams do & when things go wrong like the did waayyy back in 2012 it is always a shock to see a great team suddenly perform badly & in a tournament like the RWC sudden death can dish out some real shocks. ABs are preparing very well & will also have played together for a  while so you never know who will win it. Coaches who have been using the excuse of "we are are building" should be fired. Will Meyer be one of them, what about Lancaster?

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
17 Jan 2015, 02:43
#3
17 Jan 2015, 02:43#3
 I don't believe the Jehovah's do rally there, nor do I think our win over you in 2012 was the greatest match seen there !! Crikey, we have won Grand Slams, for goodness sake ! Nearly won a RWC ! Beaten SA by a record score and humiliated them to boot ( and I hated every second of that match ) We have played some fantastic stuff there, so no, I don't think that is necessarily the greatest match.It isn't the game that springs straight to my mind should someone ask me that question ! 
And it is THE home of Rugby Union, whether you like it or not ! Always has been, always will be.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Jan 2015, 02:48
#4
17 Jan 2015, 02:48#4

Becs rugby may have been born in England but it grew up in NZ 

 

As to its home, rugby's home is a global thing now, at least that's what I would like to see.

AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
17 Jan 2015, 02:56
#5
17 Jan 2015, 02:56#5
Never liked the whole 'home of rugby thing', I've been to Twickenham and I just don't think it's got that 'spark' of let's say Eden Park or Ellis Park.
Regardless though, I'm sure the Poms will think Twickers is the spiritual home of rugby, just as us saffers will think it's Ellis Park and the ABs Eden Park.

JW, still can't believe we've got you boys in the Semis, would have much prefered you in the final and would have been much more confident, not too sure I see us beating you but let's hope!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Jan 2015, 03:16
#6
17 Jan 2015, 03:16#6

AgPleezDeddy: anything can happen as we all know. & that's why we watch the games.

 

I am not confident ABs will win the RWC although I think we are preparing well & have a fantastic team. If both teams reach the semis it will be a fantastic game

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jan 2015, 13:35
#7
17 Jan 2015, 13:35#7
 Whether any oak likes it or not the game was born in England and Twicks is the home of Rugby. Anybody imagining Eden PArk as the home of rugby must be crazy. A small ground in a littlle isalnd of the coast of Australia. Bwhahahahahaha 
Becs please, the record win was against a Bok 7 man pack!!! The red card against Labuschagne for his great tackle on wee Jonny Wilks was a shocker. All I will grant you is that it was it was a less terrible decision than the one the abs pulled off when Bissie was carded when tackling wee Dan - another glamour boy who opposition sides were not supposed to tackle!! The squeals from the kiwis over that one still ring out occassionally. No before the wee abs can hope to get beaten by the Boks in the semis they have to make the semis. Given how they were outplayed by so many sides in 2014, and  they aint getting better, the 2015 RWC could be a hard time.Most importsant for them is the likelihood of them not being granted matches on a palte by the ref. With guys like Paddy O' Brien and bryce lawrence out of the picture we can only hope fro a tournament that is not rigged by the abs to achieve a win.We sahll see.
As for the Boks - if Meyer can pick even our second best side that should be enough to get to the final. Meyer needs to get back into the saddle. Until 2014 we were seeing a steady improvement. Getting in the geriatrics like wee matfiled has been a disaster and the show pony along with other geriatrics must go. Fortunately honourable players lik e the far better Bakkies have realised it time to quit. We victor needs the encouragement of a good boot. 
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
17 Jan 2015, 13:55
#8
17 Jan 2015, 13:55#8
 Of course it is the home of Rugby. You can keep your cheerleaders and other nonsense in the SH....that doesn't give an atmosphere. That just gives a bunch of blokes something to leer at. And this obsession with getting on camera when the TV pans the crowd. Sadly that is spreading here  About time you guys invented something yourself really ! 

Yes, Beeno....I have always said that Red Card was wrong and I disagreed with it wholeheartedly. I also said, at the time and ever since, that I hated every second of that match ! A match most of my fellow supporters thoroughly enjoyed. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jan 2015, 15:02
#9
17 Jan 2015, 15:02#9
Becs you are a true Lady and hence your mysterious realtionship with that hound snaspter!!Now if only these whing ing kbbs would react in a similar way re the Bissie tackle on Carter!!!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Jan 2015, 15:29
#10
17 Jan 2015, 15:29#10
I think poor ol' "Bissie" was as shocked he made such a fine tackle as he hasn't made one since He definitely has gone down hill in recent times.
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
17 Jan 2015, 23:48
#11
17 Jan 2015, 23:48#11
 Naughty JW !!!  
AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
18 Jan 2015, 02:44
#12
18 Jan 2015, 02:44#12
 Too right JW, it's gonna be a fantastic RWC, very unpredictable!
And typical Poms - inventors of all, masters of none, ey becs?  Haha!
Have you managed to get any tickets for the World cup?
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
18 Jan 2015, 04:00
#13
18 Jan 2015, 04:00#13
 I am not able to go to any matches, so haven't applied for tickets. There are still a fair few available for some matches, I keep getting reminders sent to me ! 
My Aunt has stacks of tickets for quite a few matches. 
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
18 Jan 2015, 06:49
#14
18 Jan 2015, 06:49#14
Twickers is the home of rugby...finished en klaar...Swing low sweet chariot, we're coming to take you home.... hahaha...lolz
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jan 2015, 22:53
#15
18 Jan 2015, 22:53#15
We wont be playing that many games at Twickers thanks to our clueless coach and his selections
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