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Springbok team for the 3rd test against the Lions

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2021, 14:51
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03 Aug 2021, 14:51#1

15, Willie le Roux, 14, Cheslin Kolbe, 13. Lukhanyo Am, 12. Damian de Allende, 11. Makazole Mapimpi, 10. Handré Pollard, 9. Cobus Reinach, 8. Jasper Wiese, 7. Franco Mostert, 6. Siya Kolisi (captain), 5. Lood de Jager, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Frans Malherbe, 2. Bongi Mbonambi, 1. Steven Kitshoff

Substitutes: 16. Malcolm Marx, 17. Trevor Nyakane, 18. Vincent Koch, 19. Marco van Staden, 20. Kwagga Smith, 21. Herschel Jantjies, 22. Morné Steyn, 23. Damian Willems

Du Toit and De Klerk is out do to injury.   And Mostert moved to no 7 and no lock in the replacements.    The change confirms that  Mostert si not a viable lock as was proved in the second test.   Mostert's main problem is deficient open-field defense  where players just run through him or over him.   That is indeed a weak selection by the coaching set-up.      

The horror story would be if Morne is to replace Pollard.    Both Morne and Jantjies were tried in the A-team match and the match against the Bulls and both failed miserably.   An early replacement of Pollard by Steyn would mean a Springbok loss.     So lets keep our fingers crossed for Pollard to last through the game.             

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,233 posts
03 Aug 2021, 15:14
#2
03 Aug 2021, 15:14#2

Hershell Jantjies must be disappointed to have Reinach leapfrog him into the team. 
Jantjies is a much better passer of the ball than Reinach.  

Reinach is like Hougaard, both exceptional on hard fast pitches where they can run the ball and attack, attack, attack.
Not so great on slow pitches (like Cape Town).

The positive aspect is that at least Reinach will kick less. I don't think he is programmed to do up and unders. 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Aug 2021, 15:28
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03 Aug 2021, 15:28#3
Cobus Reinach was very good in the test against Georgia as well as the SA A game against the Lions, while Jacques Nienaber has repeatedly talked about Herchelle Jantjies' abili ty to add spark off the bench so it's not really such a big surprise.
By the way, Damian de Allende will be playing his 50th test match for the Springboks on Saturday so congratulations to him and if Morne Steyn does get a run, he'll be one of a select few who have played in two series against the British Lions.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2021, 15:44
#4
03 Aug 2021, 15:44#4

De Allende will lead the team onto the field as is normal practice - a great award for great player. as confirm ed by Pollard   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2021, 16:08
#5
03 Aug 2021, 16:08#5

‘ The change confirms that  Mostert si not a viable lock’….thanks for  admitting Dud Toit is not a viable lock.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2021, 16:29
#6
03 Aug 2021, 16:29#6

That has nothing to do with Du Toit.   You are again misreading everything that happened.sinbce Ersmus became Director of Rugby in 2018.   He realized that we have a problem at 7 with the need for another line-out jumper as well.     Erasmus then askedf the Stormers to use Du Toit as a 7 and he asked the Lions to use Mostert in the 7 position.   After three matches played at 7  the Lions reported that Mostert was a failure in that position and he was moved back to lock.    

Du Toit was successful in both the lock and 7 position and became the first option at 7, as well as the World Player of the Year in 2019.   .

Mostert - in the absence  of De Jager and Snyman was used as the number 5 lock  position with mixed success and was ultimately dropped from the starting line-up after he was poor in the game against the AB's in the WC.    On Saturday he again was a disaster at lock and especially in the defective line-out performance against the Lions/ in the first half.      Unless there is an injury he would never go back in the starting position for the locks and when Du Toit returns he is likely to be out of the Springbok squad. altogether.                 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2021, 16:50
#7
03 Aug 2021, 16:50#7

Ah another prediction that Mostert will be out when one of our fragile locks/flanks return. I doubt it, they seem to be hurt so often and iron man Mostert is unbreakable.

As for the Lions reporting ‘Mostert was a failure in that position’….provide the evidence. I suspect that’s just another fantasy.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2021, 17:03
#8
03 Aug 2021, 17:03#8

Not hearsay.    Proved by the fact that the  Lions moved him back to the lock position after trying him in three games at 7 and he failed in all three.   FACT 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2021, 17:09
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03 Aug 2021, 17:09#9

Not proven, that simply says he was more valuable to the Lions at lock given their options. You said they reported he had failed….give the evidence.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,233 posts
03 Aug 2021, 17:27
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03 Aug 2021, 17:27#10

I would have rather had Marx start, as the lineouts looked great when he was on the pitch. Vermuelen clearly is unfit, which is a pity. Marx is needed at the breakdown. 

Marco Van Staden looked good when he came on at the breakdown in the 2nd test, so he will probably come onto the pitch early.   

It will be interesting to see how Mostert plays at blindside at test level, as a starter.
He didn't do too well for the Gauteng Lions, in Super Rugby who play an expansive game- but that may differ at test level. 



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2021, 18:11
#11
03 Aug 2021, 18:11#11
At least we have a proper lock pair this test If Mostert has to play it should only ever be 7 but he is probably 10th in line for the 7 spot Pity about Faf and PSDT, they are huge huge losses. Real pity Vermeulen was not ready to take over from the yet to impress Wiese What the fuck is Morne doing on the bench We better pray and hope that Pollard does not get injured
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2021, 18:48
#12
03 Aug 2021, 18:48#12

You give the evidence that he was more  valuable for the Lions at lock than at 7.     My evidence is that Erasmus knew what happened and he never asked the Lions to use Mostert again in the 7 position.    They decided too soon to send Dan du Preez off and now called him back.   It is unlikely that Du Toit will be fit for the two Argentine tests and that is when Du Preez and not Mostert will be in the 7 position.    Mostert  is not physically strong enough for either position.       

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Aug 2021, 18:54
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03 Aug 2021, 18:54#13

Terrible starting 15. Nothing in the midfield but kicking, half a kick pair, one third of a loose trio. This team is there for the taking. If the Lions can't beat this, then they are officially the worst Lions side in living memory. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Aug 2021, 18:58
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03 Aug 2021, 18:58#14

Jantjies and Reinach are both in the category of runners at 9 with poor skills. Reinach is arguably the worst of the two. Faf hasn't been quite the disruptor that he was before covid, so he isn't as much of a loss. His skills are actually below average. We haven't had a 9 with a great pass since Du Preez.

Mostert upgrades the loose trio. We'll have some defence for a change and someone who can carry effectively.

Lood, as we saw in the second test, is absolutely out of his depth. So too Damian who blew good chances with poor skills, vision and lack of strength. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Aug 2021, 19:17
#15
03 Aug 2021, 19:17#15

Yaaawn old Org driveling away as usual. 

Tedious stuff.

Yes Faf and, Du Toit are big losses as is the absence of Snyman and Vermuelen.

I see mozzzz and the Org are laying the groundwork. If the Lions lose the Boks bear the worst Lions side ever. 

How many Lions team have won in South Africa?



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2021, 19:18
#16
03 Aug 2021, 19:18#16

Madness by the Kindergarten Imbecile continues.   In the first half on Saturday the Boks linout was a shambles basically because of Mostert.   So now De Jager is poor and Mostert good enough.    What a joke you are.     L MAO.      

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Aug 2021, 19:22
#17
03 Aug 2021, 19:22#17

T he Lions have lost 8 test series against the  Boks so these 2021 Lions would be in good company. Only 4 Lions sides have won a series.

But according to the Org if the Lions can't beat the World champions and number 1 ranked side in the world they would be the worst side in Lions history.

This demented tortured soul is getting weirder by the day. 

Mozzz is following the Org over a cliff. 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2021, 20:43
#18
03 Aug 2021, 20:43#18
Imagine concluding that Jantjies has poor skills as a 9 but Morne has good skills as a 10 Fuck me the ignorance of this twat is seriously beyond comprehension
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Aug 2021, 23:18
#19
03 Aug 2021, 23:18#19

Imagine saying Cooper was the best player in the world, and better than Carter. Imagine saying that Watson is the best player in South Africa. Imagine saying that JJ is the best 13 since readmission. Imagine saying that Goosen is the next Naas. Imagine saying that Damian is the best 12 in the game after he notches up the most missed tackles of every player in Super rugby and blows an entire test on his own. Ja, lets imagine.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2021, 23:35
#20
03 Aug 2021, 23:35#20
Omelette stop lying I never said any of those things you lying low life If our starting 15 is so shit firstly why do you even bother supporting SA rugby you useless fuckwit Please give us your starting 15 if ours is so shit Come on you chicken shit gives us your 15 Bet you won’t as you don’t have the balls to
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 00:00
#21
04 Aug 2021, 00:00#21

I don't have the testiculation for list writing. I know you think of this rather simple act as the sacred practice of the rugby elder, scrawling on toilet paper the next big myth, but it's not.

  1. Nche/Kitshoff
  2. Marx (c)/Bongi
  3. Koch/Malherbe
  4. Eztebeth/Undecided 
  5. Snyman/Undecided 
  6. Kwagga/Van Staden
  7. Mostert/
  8. Thor/Dan d/P
  9. Faf/Schreuder
  10. Pollard/Jantjies
  11. Mapimpi/Undecided 
  12. Esterhuizen/Serfontein
  13. Am/Mapoe
  14. Kolbe/Nkosi
  15. Willie/Bosch

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2021, 00:03
#22
04 Aug 2021, 00:03#22
Good team, pity about your blind spots, it could have been even better.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2021, 00:24
#23
04 Aug 2021, 00:24#23

Much better team.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 00:47
#24
04 Aug 2021, 00:47#24
What a crap side That about sums up your rugby knowledge Picking the side is the most important aspect of the coaches job Fuck me your captain has no leadership credentials but you have him as your captain
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 00:49
#25
04 Aug 2021, 00:49#25

Marx is calm, authoritative, physical and dominant. Setting the example and tone for the rest of the team. You attack his credentials, but praise little boy lost Kolisi who cries that nobody takes him seriously in world rugby 

PS: Picking the side the most important part? No wonder you have such low standards for the technical side of the game. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 01:02
#26
04 Aug 2021, 01:02#26
You can be as technical as you like, but without the players it will amount to nothing Rugby is a simple game dimwit, there is very little technical wizardry to master The most important aspect of a coaches job is selecting the right side This is evidenced in the first test. We selected the wrong players in Mostert and Kwagga - with that we were never going to achieve physical dominance as we did in the second half of the second test It’s purely down to selection The Bok squad would be a better one if the du Preez twins were involved along with the likes of Serfontein, Esterhuizen, JVR, Goosen, Jenkins, Jacques du Plessis, Dylan Richardson etc Marx has never lead a side so your romantic vision of him being a leader is laughable and in line with all your stupid calls
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 01:32
#27
04 Aug 2021, 01:32#27

Mostert and Kwagga were effective performers. Production that surpassed that of Limp, Kwotalisi, Turnstile Steph, the Wiese we simply had to have. You are totally out of your depth here. Stick to fantasy rugby. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 02:46
#28
04 Aug 2021, 02:46#28
Absolute bullshit, Kwagga was a joke hence getting dropped straight away. A complete physical liability Mostert has been a non entity all series. Adding zero with carries, clear outs and grunt in the engine room Thank fuck he is not starting at lock again this weekend. He is a sad excuse of a replacement for PSDT at 7 but given the squad he will have to do
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2021, 14:29
#29
04 Aug 2021, 14:29#29

Dave be assured - i f the Kindergarten Imbecile and Mozart were the selectors the Springboks would lose most matches as it was under Coetzee and Meyer,   Losses against japan and Italy would have been repeated on a continuous basis.         .   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 16:13
#30
04 Aug 2021, 16:13#30

Kwagga was strong in contact and absorbed huge hits under the high ball. He also frustrated the Lions at the breakdown. Beat defenders, carried reliably. Lood, Steph, Wiese, Elstadt... none of them could do this. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 17:24
#31
04 Aug 2021, 17:24#31
Kwagga got smashed backwards with interest when he took contact A complete and utter physical liability which is exactly why he has been dropped
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 19:11
#32
04 Aug 2021, 19:11#32

No. Simples. Do catch up Cheeto. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 19:48
#33
04 Aug 2021, 19:48#33
So why has he been dropped you stupid prick?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 20:26
#34
04 Aug 2021, 20:26#34

Because Josè and Crutch can't do their job properly. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 20:48
#35
04 Aug 2021, 20:48#35
Ah would that be the combo that took us from 7 to 1, beating NZ in NZ and winning the RC and WC in process Shit that has not doing their job properly written all over it. Fuck me you are stupid Kwagga was useless, got smashed backwards at a rate of knots - was always going to be a liability at 8 and he sure proved that Nice little player at provincial level but not even close to being equipped for 8 at provincial level let alone tests Kwagga got dropped as he was utterly shit
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 21:48
#36
04 Aug 2021, 21:48#36

Winning an abbreviated RC, by beating the worst Wallaby side in 45 years in South Africa. Couldn't beat the most vulnerable All Black side since 1998, being easily kept at arm's length with their dour Skop 'N Pop rugby in the pool stages. José and Crutch were licky Wales weren't New Zealand. Only getting by an injury hit Welsh side who handed them their backsides in 2018 in what was widely called "the ugliest game of rugby in world cup history". Perspective Unteromlett. Perspective. They've carried on where they left off. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 21:58
#37
04 Aug 2021, 21:58#37
Ah yeah and let me guess this Lions side is the worst ever to What a fucking joke Your perspective is pathetically lame and a complete fabrication No one believes you except maybe Moz who’s hatred of Rassie is on par with yours It’s pathetic
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2021, 22:23
#38
04 Aug 2021, 22:23#38

The Boks should give back the RWC, it's useless cause all the other teams were kak...give it to NZ, they deserve it more, because they are always the best team...they should have won it everytime since the 80's anyway...why bother playing anyway?

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 22:26
#39
04 Aug 2021, 22:26#39

Perspective Herr Draht. Don't be beguiled by Dame Unteromlett. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 22:37
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04 Aug 2021, 22:37#40
I’m not sure why the wanker omelette even bothers supporting the Boks I bet the useless twat wishes losses on every game we play No one can be that negative about a side, it’s players and the coach and profess to support them If he does he must be one fucked up sadistic twat
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