15 Damian Willemse, 14 Jesse Kriel, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Herschel Jantjies, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Kwagga Smith, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Ox Nche.
Subs: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Franco Mostert, 20 Jasper Wiese, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Frans Steyn
O Fok, what are they thinking. Willemse at 15, not sure how we are going to win this game but here is hoping the guys aren't to rusty.
Not even starting Reinach who is the form player right now. Our best front row is still on the bench. What does Marx have to do to get a start.
Very small backrow. But at least Jasper is not starting. Still brain dead 8
kingcorn, Marx he is the wrong starting color first and the selectors have to meet the ANC sport color code directive.
Yes even after 25 plus years of ANC rule we are still enforcing racist mandates in RSA.
Sad but true.
Not even one new face in the squad.
Same old timers over and over.
Going to be interesting to see if the SARU has instructed the players to take the knee and the Black Power Fist.
If they have issued such a directive who do you suggest would not follow through on that action.
Hope some players have the the "BALLS" to stand firm.
Watched Wiese playing a week ago and he appears to have a really arrogant attitude which cost his team a few points.
Is he a walking time boom in a rugby jersey or what?
Hmm, Wiese had 1 really good play off the back of the scrum with a neat pass to Hanro Liebenberg for a try.
Actually, Leicester is unbeaten and have been doing really well with the backrow of Van Staden, Wiese and Liebenberg.
Nothing wrong with our rugby as a whole, we disagree often too much with the details of individuals but that is natural but as a whole our rugby is still good...some people cannot see the wood for the trees...our depth is still good but doesn't mean it can't be improved, our coaching is fine but that too is a challenge...overall there is no player that is useless because they would not be there if they were.
Fassi is not test quality, but neither is Willemse. Kriel on wing makes sense, but is he this high in the pecking order? The backline has one player who has been playing well of late. None who have been dominant.
Wiese lacks discipline but penalty machine Dud Toit doesn’t? They both had 3 penalties against them….Dud in the first Lions test, Wiese in the third.
Just a little fact for the Stefanistas to process.
No the difference is Wiese actually contests the breakdown whereas Dud floats out into first receiver/ tackler….if not the left wing! Dud should always have less penalties than Wiese.
"Difference between PSDT and Wiese is that PSDT is not stupid."
This is hilarious. I thought UnterO was serious all this time, now I see he is just looking for a cheap laugh. We all know that PTSD is one of the more stupid Boks. Never has he learned from one of his mistakes in nearly ten years! Wiese has shown more growth in a handful of tests than PTSD, Limp, Dumbian, Lambie, Goosen, Watson, JJ, Kriel, Kolisi have shown in their entire lives. The funniest thing of all is that this isn't funny. When clowns call out a player for being stupid and reckless when they defend the thickest and most reckless Boks... well, that doesn't say much for these people.
Willie Leroux not making the bench is also significant. Although he will probably get a starting game this tour.
The big mess up is Willemse taking Fassi's place. Willemse has been tried at 15 and failed every time .
Fassi can play fullback and wing, as well as junior experience at 10 and 12. Surely he is a better utility player than Kriel. He must also be better under the high ball- and he can actually kick as well.
Yeah Willemse completely bombed last time he started. Looks like the coaching staff is insisting he is a 15. Lets hope he can live up to his potential.
But just read Nienaber logic, they pretty much want players to be part of the squad for a long period of time before they can win starting spots. Pretty much told Fassi he has to wait longer.
I wonder if this philosophy is hindering them and holding on to players too long. If anything, I would love to see Tyrone Green in the squad.
Probably our best 15 right now and in the premiership
Fassi or Willemse... what difference does it make. At least Willemse has the physical presence to defend. Fassi is a bit of a mess. Made Nkosi look competent. Lots of problems with this team.
I’ll have to watch the “A” game again and check him out. I know he scored a cool try, but what of the rest. Perhaps an abridged mozcroscope?
Fassi the most talented 15. Here we go again! Your tongue is a dagger you plant in your own back Unter.
I did not comment on the thread because the two Idiot Speakers took over discussion and to comment on their drivel is fruitless. I have my own questions iro the team and can understand why there seems to be question marks about the selection of players like Willemse and Mostert in the team. In the latter regard I think that the coaching staff realizes that Moster is a dead letter at 7 and is effectively a back-up lock until the return of Snyman. Du Toit is badly needed at 7.
I gave a real explanation as to why Marx is used from the bench and not in the starting line-up and I am not going to repeat the reasoning on site again.
Duplication
I agree on Mostert, not sure why Qwagga is at 7, the Welsh left the roof open last weekend and played in the rain. Might do the same with the boks. So not sure speed will help.
Also, it looks like we have 8/15 players of colour in the team. So looks like Rassie is sticking to his transformation KPIs.
Have to agree on Fassi, fantastic talent, super fast, need to work a bit on his ariel skills but most lacking is defence right now. Hopefully that will come right,
Reminds me a lot of Isreal Falua
Fassi was better in his 2 tests than Willemse has been in all the tests he has played.
It's close. Fassi caught a kick for a try. Aside from that he was bullied and run ragged. The autopsy result confirms that Fassi can run fast. Nothing else.
An extended run... just like Lambie, just like Kriel, Damian, Steph and so on and so forth. Willemse will never produce the goods. He never was very talented, but he was given the stamp of approval because he did non-effective random stuff, and nothing enamours South Africans more than random thoughtless running. Fassi is weak, passive, unskilled and positionally all over the place. What did he show that was so great? We don't need any more of these frail runners in the team. We are already being pulverised on the gainline in every test. This is not the solution.
I don't care what you think. Do I honestly need your approval? Your sloppy assessments and embarrassing long history of bad calls make you the absolute last person I would ever consult on any rugby matter. In fact, you analytical skills are so weak, I would sooner consult the thumb Omlett sucks after being schooled by Moz before I came to you.
