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Stade Francais and Racing Metro to merge

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2017, 13:12
#1
13 Mar 2017, 13:12#1
There is apparently going to be an announcement on the issue today and the merger will occur at the end of the current season.
Both clubs have been poor this year and the issue at stake here is apparently to bring back more young French players.   That leads us to what is going to happen to th contracted players and especially SA players.  
We do not know the real reason why Goosen walked out of his contract with Racing Metro and then we have Morne Steyn and Willem Alberts as well.   There are at least 3 better flyhalfs than Morne in the two clubs and if they merge then we can be sure that there are at least six better loosies than Fat Willem in the two clubs.  
I think the move was done because both clubs are very poor this year and there may even be a move to at least one of them to be in the danger zone. 
However, it may be better to wait for the promised news conference and see what transpires.   


   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2017, 13:24
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13 Mar 2017, 13:24#2
 After reading the above article I saw another one dealing with Goosen and his potential return to Racing Metro is on the cards.   With that happening Morne may better retire - he will never get a game if the two clubs merge - and he will not be welcomed by any other team.    
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,260 posts
13 Mar 2017, 13:33
#3
13 Mar 2017, 13:33#3
Carter and Goosen vying for the same position- while Moaning Steyn implements the SA coaches game plan.
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Mar 2017, 14:18
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13 Mar 2017, 14:18#4
 In another thread, a post claimed it was time to create a super rugby second division.
It was answered that rugby was shrinking and that any expansion move would go against the tide.

Here's a proof of it, this merger between two clubs.

More positions for young french players, this is a good one, as positions are cut in half, twice less opportunities for them.

Opportunities will come from elsewhere, from the pressure the french authorities are putting on foreigners. Foreigners with the slightest cause for reproach are going to be targeted. Only the cleanest are going to be allowed.

Going to be hard for SA, this piece of news shows once more than rugby in SA must be terminated. When a country like France takes the decision to cut down the number of clubs through mergers, it shows contraction.
Reported to SA, it means SA rugby termination.

Less and less room abroad to accomodate SA rugby players, a domestic rugby that must be ended, guess here is that people would start wishing another type of development was adopted in SA.
Channeling massively resources abroad is fine when you dont plan to live in the place. Otherwise...
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2017, 14:29
#5
13 Mar 2017, 14:29#5
 Trad
Please stop talking utter nonsense - one can but wonder what goes on in your strange mind.   What has the merger of two rugby clubs in Franc to do with rugby in SA?
ruckers admin
ruckers adminPro2,227 posts
13 Mar 2017, 14:32
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13 Mar 2017, 14:32#6
Dear Traditionalist

As a close group of rugby fans, we often care about personal issues affecting other posters.

With that in mind,  where do you buy your drugs from?
I think you need to change supplier.

If you''d like some recommendations, we have a few posters who would be more than willing to assist.

Yours in rugga
Ed
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Mar 2017, 14:42
#7
13 Mar 2017, 14:42#7
LMAO!
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Mar 2017, 15:15
#8
13 Mar 2017, 15:15#8
 
I'm sure Plum can assist here.

 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Mar 2017, 15:21
#9
13 Mar 2017, 15:21#9
 Rooitwit Ed is referring to you L MAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Mar 2017, 18:37
#10
13 Mar 2017, 18:37#10
 The following from News24"=
"French rugby giants Racing 92 and Stade Francais, winners of the last two Top 14 titles, on Monday announced a shock merger that will leave many top stars looking for new teams.

Racing and Stade Francais are two of the biggest rivals in the French championship and the merger from next season came as a lightning bolt for European rugby.


Racing's real estate billionaire owner Jacky Lorenzetti said tough "choices" would have to be made about which players to keep.


Lorenzetti has spent heavily on top talent such as All Black legend Dan Carter, now in the second and final year of his deal. Racing won the championship last year, but are now slumbering in seventh and Carter was jeered off the pitch after a weekend defeat to leaders La Rochelle.


Stade Francais counterpart Thomas Savare, a finance and credit card technology tycoon, has likewise paid heavily for the likes of Italian captain Sergio Parisse, Australian scrumhalf Will Genia and South African flyhalf Morne Steyn. His team, triumphant in 2015, are currently 12th.


Lorenzetti said in a letter to supporters that the two coaches Laurent Travers and Laurent Labit would have to "make choices".


"Merit will be the criteria, probably youth and the factor of being selectable" for France, Lorenzetti said.


He added that the two clubs would maintain their youth and amateur sides but "merge the professional teams."


Lorenzetti and Savare would serve alternate terms as head of the club. But the Racing chief said the aim was to have a single powerful club for the Paris region.


Opposition to the merger came quickly, notably among Stade Francais players with some calling for protest action. French international fullback Eric Bonneval tweeting: "13/03.2017: END."


"This is not a merger. Stade Francais has been bought by Racing... This is the death of our club... " said lock Paul Gabrillagues.


Lorenzetti said he wanted "to build day after day the reference of French rugby."

"This association, effective from next season, will give birth to a new club that preserves the roots of Racing 92 and Stade Francais Paris, while expanding the means for youth and French rugby," said a statement announcing the plan.


But the deal will have massive implications for the Top 14 and European club rugby.

Each has built, or is building, a new stadium as well as big squads. No immediate details were given of their ground plans, but Lorenzetti and Savare were to speak later Monday at a press conference.


Racing were slumbering in France's second division when Lorenzetti bought them in 2006. Savare took over Stade Francais in 2011 when they were threatened with bankruptcy and relegation.


The clubs have spent hundreds of millions of euros on redeveloping and acquiring new players since 2010.


Stade Francais's Jean Bouin stadium was redeveloped in 2013 and reopened with capacity increased from 13,000 to 20,000.


Racing are building a new €220 million 32,000-seat stadium in the La Defense business district. It should have opened in January but this has been put back to the end of the year.


The French National Rugby League (LNR) did not immediately react to the news, saying it was waiting to hear details from the two clubs. But the killing off of one Top 14 team means that the 13th placed XV -- currently Grenoble -- will now probably avoid relegation.


Racing and Stade Francais were among the first clubs created when rugby union was introduced to France in the 19th century. Racing won the first championship final against Stade in 1892. Stade got their revenge the following year."


The above is interesting,   Stade Francais also has Fat Willem Alberts on contract and also Morne Steyn and some others mentioned, while it is clear that Dan Carter's contract will also not be renewed. 


Carter has been very poor this year and it shows real reason why the elderly is dangerous to employ.   Playing on reputation with the least possible done on the field of play was his forte.


Morne will definitely also come back to SA and become a commentator.   All the flyhalfs of the Super Rugby franchises are better than he is.  As for Fat Willem he is so useless no franchise will have anything to do with him.  


Where Goosen is in all of this is questionable - it looks like the merger may impact on him as well and he may be back on his way to France.   There is a newspaper claim that he will be back in France in a weeks time - wonder whether it is true.


 



sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,260 posts
13 Mar 2017, 19:05
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13 Mar 2017, 19:05#11
 I think other Clubs have black labelled Goosen. If they sign him- then other players would also walk out on contracts. He has to honour his contract or not play rugby for 2 years. At least the hunters will be more safe
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Mar 2017, 20:47
#12
13 Mar 2017, 20:47#12
 Please stop talking utter nonsense - one can but wonder what goes on in your strange mind.   What has the merger of two rugby clubs in Franc to do with rugby in SA?


That amounts to asking what Donald Trump's election has to do with Mexico.


For some time now, foreign leagues have been absorbing SA players to provide them with high paying jobs.

Those two french clubs have 45 players under contract each. The merger means that 45 of these high paying opportunities are going to disappear,no longer  available for SA players to fill in.

The future of SA rugby is set: less and less opportunities for SA players  from abroad, and domestically, franchises that pay players in food stamps.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Mar 2017, 21:14
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13 Mar 2017, 21:14#13
 There's a good reason European clubs have lots of Saffas.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2017, 01:52
#14
14 Mar 2017, 01:52#14
 Listen Trad
Ed summed  it up pretty good - so what can we gain by reading the rubbish and unrealistic nonsense you write on this site?   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2017, 02:01
#15
14 Mar 2017, 02:01#15
 What is happening with Goosenn - SB?  Do you know?   id he sea Racing going downhill badly in the case of Racing and tried to run for cover?   Were there whispers in the camp about a potential merger in the camp already? 
We do not know and what will happen in the case of a merger to him - because there are signs of him going back to France?
There are clear indications that some players who under-performed will be without contracts and two of those are Carter and Morne Steyn.   Goosen will not go back if he has not got a guarantee from the merged club as to his situation after the end of this season.     
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,260 posts
14 Mar 2017, 02:20
#16
14 Mar 2017, 02:20#16
@Clevermike, apparently the hunting village in Eastern Cape paid Racing Metro to take Goosen back. They even reported his whereabouts to the French media.
If these teams cut half of the staff- what happens to these contracts?
They will have to pay the players out if they are going to cut them- unless there is an exclusion in the agreement that covers mergers etc.

Carter will probably stay on as a mentor coach. Morne is going to get booted, it just depends if any other French team will be interested- which I doubt.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2017, 04:59
#17
14 Mar 2017, 04:59#17
 I think the discussions between Racing Metro and Goosen came from the club resulting from their poor showing after his departure and may see daylight soon.   The hunting farm belongs to Goosen - so I am not sure which village is involved. 
I am not sure about the contracts issue and not sure about Carter be a mentor coach - what I am sure is that he is one of the players whose contract will not be renewed.   Morne might as well start packing and so should Alberts and Bosman - their contracts will NOT be renewed.
With White leaving Montpellier there are a number of SA  players who may also be goners.   Fat Fransie is the top of that list and Willemse - who had a two year contract - may also be jobless.        
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Mar 2017, 09:32
#18
14 Mar 2017, 09:32#18
 
I still think that Plums should volunteer his services.

For all we know Traditionalist may be crying out for help.

He sounds as if he's in pain. Give the man what he needs I say.

It might shut him up for awhile.




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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
14 Mar 2017, 10:13
#19
14 Mar 2017, 10:13#19

I'm very impressed


Clearly this Ed is extremely perceptive


 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Mar 2017, 10:15
#20
14 Mar 2017, 10:15#20
 
Yeah ... I myself fell off my chair when I saw his post.

And all this time I thought of him as one with a single digit IQ.

There's hope for the lad afterall.




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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Mar 2017, 10:15
#21
14 Mar 2017, 10:15#21
 
duplicate.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Mar 2017, 10:15
#22
14 Mar 2017, 10:15#22
du plicate
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Mar 2017, 10:21
#23
14 Mar 2017, 10:21#23
 clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 25382RE: Stade Francais and Racing Metro to merge
March 14, 2017, 01:52:13

 Listen Trad
Ed summed  it up pretty good - so what can we gain by reading the rubbish and unrealistic nonsense you write on this site? 
clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 25382RE: Stade Francais and Racing Metro to merge
March 14, 2017, 02:01:08

 What is happening with Goosenn - SB?  Do you know?   id he sea Racing going downhill badly.......
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2017, 10:28
#24
14 Mar 2017, 10:28#24
Doffies
Why duplicate what I wrote and not comment on anything - as if your comments would mean anything.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Mar 2017, 13:09
#25
14 Mar 2017, 13:09#25
 Uhmmmm. I am sure that you are the only dim p@epol who need an explanation after those two quotes. Just like you were the only one who needed a lengthy explanation of the link with the WP issues and the crap SANZAAR competitions. Remember that one?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2017, 13:31
#26
14 Mar 2017, 13:31#26
 Dofdoos - the biggest crap ever has been written on this site by You ably lead by Mozart.   That being the case you remain a complete waste of time and the dimmest doos ever on this site.  
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
14 Mar 2017, 13:58
#27
14 Mar 2017, 13:58#27
 There's a good reason European clubs have lots of Saffas.


The same one many football clubs have a Brazilian player: image.
Even in low divisions, like fourth divisions, clubs must have their brazilian player. It has nothing to do with talent. A matter of image.
Clubs want to sell tickets. One cause behind the merger is that those clubs failed to sell tickets,  they failed to attract supporters.
There is a switch overseas. What made sell  yesterday no longer does.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
14 Mar 2017, 14:10
#28
14 Mar 2017, 14:10#28
  Ed summed  it up pretty good - so what can we gain by reading the rubbish and unrealistic nonsense you write on this site? 

No summary, just a pile of personal attacks. Usually, drugs are used to escape reality. It  looks like though in SA one can make without drugs.

As to reading, reading or writing does not get things to happen.

SA players go fishing for job opportunities abroad. After investigation, it appears that the new club wants to be selection material mostly. As France dropped selection on merit, it means french players only.

Basically, overnight, the job market for SA players is shrunk by 90 positions. The gates are being shut.

SA rugby players are taken between a rock and a hard place. Less and less opportunities abroad and domestically, crashing franchises.

All of this discounting the quota policy: if there must be non white players in the international squad, they must come from SA franchises.

There is obviously no drugs against denial.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,260 posts
14 Mar 2017, 14:30
#29
14 Mar 2017, 14:30#29

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2017, 14:32
#30
14 Mar 2017, 14:32#30
 Forget about it - Rugby is a business.   And business principles applies.     
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Mar 2017, 14:35
#31
14 Mar 2017, 14:35#31
 @all

I wouldn't offer that twat ice in winter.

South Americans in European leagues are just "token" players. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Just so everyone knows. The reason he made this statement is because he cant understand why there are not more black players in European leagues. Obviously it racism or some other nefarious keeping the Euro leagues from being 90% black.

So Trad please tell that to the next team that gets its ar5e handed to it by Barca.(Messi/Neymar/Suarez)

Then go to Inter and tell its fans about what a token player Ronaldinho was for them, or Real and dare to talk badly about Ronaldo.

Then if you're still alive, go to any small village in Italy and call Maradona a token player.

I'll even pay for your travel costs. We'll only need one way tickets.

You do need a new supplier. Unfortunately new brain suppliers don't exist on earth.










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