Before the game last night Stade Francais played in three games and in the process collected ONE bonus point. Last night they beat Ospreys by 12 - 3
The only substantial team change was that More Steyn was removed from the team altogether - he was not even on the bench. Nicolas Sanchez played his first game for Stade last night - with Plisson on the bench. Was that th e real reason for at last recording a win?
So how come they have the gorgeous total of 1 point on the log to which a further 4 points is given for the game last night.
Go and check the log on ESPN. 3 games played - 1 point on log. I am sure you are mixing it up with a Top 14 game - so do your homework properly birdbrain.
Please note that Montpellier is not playing in the European Challenge Cup - they are in the European Chmpions Cup Know the difference dimness?
Why do you get constantly a foolish BSter when it comes to your hero MS?
The only substantial team change was that More Steyn was removed from the team altogether - he was not even on the bench.
On the left is the Stade Francais lineup in the 51-20 loss against Ospreys, and on the right is the one that beat Ospreys. Yes, one can clearly see that Morne Steyn being left out was the only substantial change to the losing side
15Tony Ensor, FB 15Kylan Hamdaoui, FB
14Julien Arias, W T 14Waisea Nayacalevu, W
13Mali Hingano, C 13Julien Delbouis, C
12Alex Arrate, C 12Jonathan Danty, C
11Jimmy Yobo, W T 11Lester Etien, W
10Morné Steyn, FH 10Nicolas Sanchez, FH
9Clement Daguin, SH 9Piet van Zyl, SH
1Stephane Clement, P 1Siegfried Fisi'ihoi, P
2Laurent Sempere, H 2Laurent Panis, H
3Giorgi Melikidze, P 3Paul Alo-Emile, P
4Mathieu De Giovanni, L 4Paul Gabrillagues, L
5Alexandre Flanquart, L 5Yoann Maestri, L
6Sylvain Nicolas, FL 6Sylvain Nicolas, FL
7Hendre Stassen, FL 7Talalelei Gray, FL
8Ryan Chapuis, N8 8Hendre Stassen, N8
Why do you get constantly a foolish BSter when it comes to your hero MS?
Oh, the irony.
Ceradyne
Frankly it depends which games were won and which lost - the normal situation is you lose against stronger teams and win against weaker ones.
However, what I dealt with is specific - the string of losses in the European Challenge Cup competition - which it is alleged is more on the CC level in SA - while the Champion Cup is nearer to the Super Rugby level.
Furthermore I refer to the fact that Nicholas Sanchez has started to play for Stade Francais at flyhalf. He is 10 times the flyhalf Steyn ever was or will be. His selection at 10 will have huge benefits for the club.
Fact is if Snachez is available there is no chance of Morne ever starting for Stade Francais again and about a 10% chance that he would be on the bench.
However, what I dealt with is specific - the string of losses in the European Challenge Cup competition
No, your post was all about pinning the win on the absence of Morne Steyn by trying to sell the lie that his absence was the only noteworthy change made to the team, when in fact the starting lineup featured 13 changes and a positional change compared to the previous one.
No - Pakie
A while ago Sharkbok gave an account of huge losses by Stade Francais over the last three months. Neither of the Morne and Meyer fans reacted to it - because it was true.
I then wrote about the Stade Francais match against Osprey yesterday and certainly the most important change was bringing in Nicolas Sanchez,
So to make you happy I will agree with you that there was a vast difference between the teams Meyer selected for the succwessive two matches - but that is typically Meyer, He apparently panicked after the huge loss suffered the previous week and made major changes to the team, but one of the major anmes that vanished completely from the day squad was Morne Steyn. Most of the other changes relate to \using of previous bench players to start.
Sanchez will certainly make a positive difference, he is one of the best in the business. But when you make 13/14 changes to a side, pinning the difference on one player without even having seen the game is a stretch. Turning around a 21-50 loss to record a win within a week hints at a hell of a lot more improvement than a change at flyhalf.
Ceradunce
Sorry - but you are totally lost in BS. Sanchez this year was the best flyhalf in the RC - more or less on par with Sexton. Morne never was anything on that level. Even at his best he was pathetic, No - when Stade Francais lost with Morne around - it looks like cricket than rugby score losses,
Plisson was on the bench onm Satirday and Morne nowhere to be seen, That is likely to continue.
Ceradunce,
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A flyhalf is the most influential player on the field, and often the difference between winning and losing.....
When you were a librarian monitor, the rest of us were playing this game......
Ceradimness
No need tp get a hissy fit about me stating the real facts about Morne with reference to Stade Francais. No need to convince me of what Draad wrote - he is as per normal correct. However, go and see how your fellow BS spreader Mozart praise Morne for being the difference between how they win matches while he was the flyhalf and loss more after his departure,
It was SB who wrote about how Stade Francais deteriorated after initially showing some encouraging signs after Meyer became their coach, Why did you dimness not respond to that thread - but when I continued in the same vein you go bananas,
Poor Ceradunce - you are a joke on site,
No Ceradunce. When Plisson started the losses was by much smaller margins - when Morne started it represented a total performance collapse.
My heading was correct - my assessment of Morne was correct - your claim that in the Challenge Cup against Montpellier was utter BS.
Try again.
Never in a corner - I said very clearly -
* that Morne in the one game he started in was as per normal useless - hence the huge margin of the loss in that game;
* that Sanchez made a huge difference in the team and that he is a top flyhalf - one of the best in the world and a huge improvement on Meyer.
So what did I say was wrong about the scenario bird brain?
How funny can you get birdbrain? Lets just say anybody who rate Morne a better flyhalf than Sanchez has a serious case of braincell malfunctioning - not that your single brain cell has not been malfunctioning for years,
Now for the diversion from what really was discussed, Anybody with half a functioning brain would have realized that I wrote Meyer instead of Morne in the quote you made.
Your manic defense of Morne definitely implicates that in your opinion Sanchez is no better than Morne as a flyhalf.. But anyway to discuss amy ru gby issue with you is impossible,
Dumbas
We all know of your constant defense of the indefensible when it comes to Morne Steyn and your efforts to divert attention away from the poor flyhalf performance for Stade Francais in the European Challenge Cup by Morne - especially the last huge loss against Osprey - and trying to diminish the role of Nicolas Sanchez in the win against Ospreyes on Friday - that clearly indicates what you think of Morne and Sanchez.
You clearly indicate by the above that according to you Morne is a better flyhalf than Sanchez - so stop your constant bickering and start thinking for a change.
Your whole approach suggested that - an attack on Plisson - praise-singing of Morne and your disdain of Sanchez making a positive contribution to the game on Friday,
Maybe I should forget about your constant idiocy on site and accept that you have no idea opf the game of rugby.
You should join Mozart under another thread where he said Morne was the best flyhalf we have had and bemoaning the fact that he was dropped by his braai pal Meyer. Remember how he compared Morne with Carter and how Morne was written up by him as comparable to C arter. That level of discussion makes this site a joke - an idiotic joke - but nevertheless a joke. .
Digging another hole Mike?
No AO
Writing factual things and the idiots like you try to divert attention away from the real present situation.
That is really the digging a hole situation - so are you happy using the head in the hole antics of ostriches?
You really are a joke and I love playing puppets on strings with you, Too easy to discuss anything with the most rugby idiotic on site iro a rugby issue. LMAO
Just get back to what happened in this case. The heading was clear - so it s end you into a spin. The comparisons between the two Osprey games played by Stade was clear too. The first one a huge loss when Morne played and the second a win when Sanchez played,
The situation was obvious on your side. You went ballistic in your efforts to divert attention away from what actually happened. The total effort on your part was to protect the images of your heroes Meyer and Morne. In the process you really tried to divert attention away from Sanchez.
So do not try continuation of diversion and accept that both Meyer and Morne did not cover them in glory in the Challenge Cup series which are the real FACTS in this case.
Did you see any of these games, Mike?
"Just get back to what happened in this case."
Yeah... Let get back to "what actually happened".
What actually happened was that you were boring the shit out of many with your constant hate campaigns against certain players. Morne's been out of the picture for quite long and you still have not gotten over him.(Did he reject your advances?) So extreme is your hatred, that you grab on to the smallest little argument, while at the same time ignoring the fact that there were 13 other changes to the starting line-up (and to make this even worse you intentionally lie and I quote "The only substantial team change was..."
Generally if other posters posted this, it may have been seen as baiting. But your track record of lying, combined with your hate list (Steyn, Steyn and Alberts in particular), proves quite the opposite. The we could also add your complete lack of knowledge as it relates to valid and invalid arguments (also part of your proven track record).
In all the time, I've been reading here I have not once see you back up ANY of your OPINION with verifiable data, or arguments. Quite the opposite in fact. Just about every opinion that you uttered have been disproved by data, statistics, photos, video clips, general knowledge, or subject related knowledge.
O - the Trooth Fairy started a thread about hatred of players not realizing that I was delaing with the same issue that Mozart raised in another thread on the dreadful Morne Steyn's performance as a test player. I pointed out that Meyer was not performing well as Stade Francais coach - FACT and based on actual performance neither was Steyn doing well enough.
Huge problem for the Fairy - it goes way beyond him/her understanding of the fact that my comments are based on actual performance problems and not hatred of any players or coaches. That remains the problem on site - one dare not discuss any objective performance problems when the BS started gushing out from the admirers of their favourite players - normally based on personal atatcks on anybody who dares to write about the true situation.
Then follows a list of 9 "Don't Knows". One do not want to laugh or cry about what this foolish idiot could dream up. What does he/she knows about the various issues listed, Worse than nothing. All the wonderful plans dreamed up by AO and copied from coaching manuals nearly never happened in practice and one can see with your own yes why things do not happen.
The whole show is a tragedy of total ignorance when it comes to crucial positions in rugby and they do not for instance know what underperformance of a lock resulted in reducing the Tight 5 to a Tight 4. They do not know how driving mauls is formed and co-ordinated. They do not know what the difference is when it comes to the need for variation of play in games. They do not know what is wrong why ball possession is handed over by poor kicking - accordance to them there is no such thing as poor kicks.
One has to wonder how they get to that state of desperation in attacking fellow posters - who point out player deficiencies. Their hatred of certain players are evident since they discover deficiencies in performances not based in facts - but dreamed up by delusions and lies. What I write is factual - what they write is hatred following prejudice and the fear that members show up their favourites as deficient.
I have yet to see a single posting of the Trooth Fairy which is not a response to exposure of deficiencies in performance by one of his/her favourite players and a response of a personal attack kind on the poster who dares comments on such deficiencies, Never ever a comment on rugby as a game ever.
Wake up fool - the game of rugby is an interesting discussion issue from a fan perspective - the fact that you never really comment on any rugby-rel ated issues - but on personal attacks - makes you a total ignoramus.
No C eradunce
I do not use dumb measures like you and that fool Mozart and his other dolt ass creepers do. A player can do extremely well in a losing game and f#ck up royally in a winning game. Morne is more noted for the latter and unknown for the former.
