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Stade Francais won a game at last in the European Challenge Cup series

Started by clevermike57 REPLIES886 VIEWS· 15 Dec 2018, 05:56
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Dec 2018, 19:10
#41
18 Dec 2018, 19:10#41

Did you watch any of these games, Mike?


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2018, 01:37
#42
20 Dec 2018, 01:37#42

Only the highlight packages unfortunately.   But fact is the one was lost badly and the return game was won.   I looked at the stats and especially the first match was an ugl y mess,     

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Dec 2018, 06:59
#43
20 Dec 2018, 06:59#43

So you would have noticed that Stade only had 25% possession and conceded two yellow cards during which time 17 points were scored against them, but you still lay the loss on Morne?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2018, 09:06
#44
20 Dec 2018, 09:06#44

No - not entirely on Morne - but he was one of the reason for the demise,  That is why he was out of the match 23 in the next match.

Morne always was destructive when it came to backline play and the backline selection was changed because of him.    The backline players in the second game was always the second string Stade Francais backline players and as per normal Meyer panicked and picked the second-stringers - leaving Morne totally out of contention.     That result in a much better functioning of the backline.

One can only wonder what would have happened with the backline performances if the top backline players were retained and the source of the problem only removed.

The yellow cards were due to ill-discipline and should also have been dealt with by the coach. .   What is clear that Morne will be lucky to get even a  bench selection in the remainder of the European Challenge Cup and the French Top 14 for the rest of the season in 2019.   

Unless there is a clear upswing in performances Meyer will soon enough have to buy a one-way ticket back to SA, 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Dec 2018, 09:09
#45
20 Dec 2018, 09:09#45

That result in a much better functioning of the backline.

But you said you didn't see the games. How can you know this? Stade scored no tries in the second game against Ospreys.

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The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
20 Dec 2018, 09:52
#46
20 Dec 2018, 09:52#46

"The backline players in the second game was always the second string Stade Francais backline players and as per normal Meyer panicked and picked the second-stringers - leaving Morne totally out of contention.     That result in a much better functioning of the backline.

One can only wonder what would have happened with the backline performances if the top backline players were retained and the source of the problem only removed."

More from the "Mike World of Fantasy"

Sentence no 1 is already completely wrong. And the rest of the drivel that follows are merely extensions based on fantasy no.1.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2018, 10:18
#47
20 Dec 2018, 10:18#47

So back to the real source of the problem  - Morne Steyn.   The dim one cannot realize where the problem was - it was with Morne Steyn with his history of backline destruction and his piss poor defense.    

Ceradunce made an mazing discovery for somebody with only one functioning brain cell.   Learn from him - dim one.   He gave the four scores in the Challenger Cup series showing that in two games Plisson played in the total losing margin was 17 points.   In the one game Morne played in the losing margin was 29 points.   G et the message demented one? 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Dec 2018, 10:40
#48
20 Dec 2018, 10:40#48
No doos. Your assertion is was that the reason for their first win in the competition was solely because HM dropped Morne. My facts showed that it was only after their third loss in the competition that he made 13..... thirteen ....... THIRTEEN ... xiii changes. The fact that Steyn was one of the changes means fokol. You are forever accusing others of using one incident to rubbish at players but you are the biggest culprit of that practice. In this season so far, if we have to go by your yardstick that a loss by a team can be pinned down to one specific player, then factually MS is SF’s top flyhalf so far this season. Sharkbok even chipped in, saying that the flyhalf is the most important position in the team, thus suggesting that he supports your theory about attributing a win/loss to one player. So, if we have to go by yourself and Sharkbok, than you can come to no other conclusion than MS being SF’s most successful flyhalf at this stage of the 2018/19 season. Now go ahead and debunk that using facts rather than your own warped opinion.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2018, 11:30
#49
20 Dec 2018, 11:30#49

Dofdoos

Just read my latest contribution as to the point differences in Stade Franncais losses in the Challenge series =

*   Plisson played  in two games and the total margin combined was 17 points;

*   Yout hero Morn mamnaged to play in ONE game and the margin was 29 points'

Too dim to realize the difference?    

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Dec 2018, 12:05
#50
20 Dec 2018, 12:05#50

But Mike, you can't compare Morne and Plisson since they didn't play in the same games against the same opposition. Are you guilty of statistical abuse?

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Dec 2018, 15:08
#51
20 Dec 2018, 15:08#51
Are you suggesting Morne Steyn was the sole culprit for the loosing margin in one fcuking game, Sopdrol? If so, then what is wrong with my argument that he is there best flyhalf so far in this season, seeing that he started in six winning games, compared to your hero Jules Plisson? Once again, I challenge you to factually debunk my assertion, using facts, not some bullshit washed up opinion based on a theory about one single game. I suppose you are going to pin the fact that SF leaked six tries (five of them converted), on Morne Steyn as well, are you. That loss had everything to do with SF’s shyte defence, if you ask me.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2018, 16:27
#52
20 Dec 2018, 16:27#52

Look at what Morne produced in that game and than decide for yourself  whether he was not to blame in a major way for the loss:- but then Angel Morne is never to be criticized by ordinary mortals - while you can write streams of BS about other players.   

Mind you - one must never expect anything but idiocy from you - so forget about what the bugger did in the game under discussion.    There was obviously a reason why Me yer dropped him totally out of the squad - but you are way too idiotic to understand what happened.      

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2018, 16:27
#53
20 Dec 2018, 16:27#53

Look at what Morne produced in that game and than decide for yourself  whether he was not to blame in a major way for the loss:- but then Angel Morne is never to be criticized by ordinary mortals - while you can write streams of BS about other players.   

Mind you - one must never expect anything but idiocy from you - so forget about what the bugger did in the game under discussion.    There was obviously a reason why Me yer dropped him totally out of the squad - but you are way too idiotic to understand what happened.      

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Dec 2018, 16:39
#54
20 Dec 2018, 16:39#54
Yep. MS was the doos who leaked those six tries.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Dec 2018, 17:06
#55
20 Dec 2018, 17:06#55

Look at what Morne produced in that game and than decide for yourself

You didn't see the game. How would you know? Both Stade tries came from backline moves with Morne as first receiver. So what's this about deficient backline play?

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I love how this just goes on and on

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Dec 2018, 18:13
#56
20 Dec 2018, 18:13#56
Jaaaaaa but but but.... Morne’s defence was too crap to prevent those six tries......
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Dec 2018, 18:30
#57
20 Dec 2018, 18:30#57

Will you never learn anything about when to keep your ignorant trap shut for keeps.   Go and ask why Meyer dropped Morne out of the match day squad of 23 for the next game against  Osprey.

By the way .missed tackles do not include where Morne or for that matter did not even make a tackle attempt at all.

By the way I di not notice that Morne was credited  with a try assist in the Osprey game.   So try again.   Merely passing the ball does not mean that Morne had a real contribution to the tries Pakie claimed in this case.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Dec 2018, 18:56
#58
20 Dec 2018, 18:56#58

"Will you never learn anything about when to keep your ignorant trap shut for keeps."

You mean I have to learn not to say anything when you are caught making a doos of yourself again?

"By the way .missed tackles do not include where Morne or for that matter did not even make a tackle attempt at all.

By the way I di not notice that Morne was credited  with a try assist in the Osprey game. "

What make you so sure of that? Did you actually see it? 

The reason I'm asking is because, for some obscure reason, you have neglected to answer the question about whether you have watched the games or not? I guess it must be a minor accidental oversight on your side because a person of such high honesty as yourself would never deliberately fail to  answer such a question, would you?





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