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Stat attack: How the Springboks have added panache to ‘skop, skiet and donner’ style

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Oct 2024, 11:47
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02 Oct 2024, 11:47#1

Phase one of the Springboks new attack plan went swimmingly during the Rugby Championship as the Boks added new a new string to their bow while dominating the tournament.

After winning the previous two Rugby World Cup titles with a “skop, skiet and donner” approach, relying heavily on their physicality, defence and set-piece prowess, the Springboks have added New Zealander Tony Brown as the new attack coach to try and broaden their horizons.

It was clear from the very first Test of the year against Wales at Twickenham in London, that the team was going to give the ball a bit more air to utilise their dangerous outside backs. They started to attack with a lot more variation, with forwards and backs passing the ball out of the back instead of just putting their heads down and barging into defenders.

While it’s still early days in the process, the signs are already there for all to see, while the Rugby Championship statistics also back up these claims.

It was clear from the very first Test of the year against Wales at Twickenham in London, that the team was going to give the ball a bit more air to utilise their dangerous outside backs. They started to attack with a lot more variation, with forwards and backs passing the ball out of the back instead of just putting their heads down and barging into defenders.

While it’s still early days in the process, the signs are already there for all to see, while the Rugby Championship statistics also back up these claims.

Comparing the Springboks’ 2024 Rugby Championship stats with 2022

For this exercise, we are comparing the Springboks’ numbers in the recently completed Rugby Championship with the 2022 edition because last year’s tournament was truncated because of the Rugby World Cup in France.

In 2024, The Springboks made the most clean breaks in the tournament with 50, five more than the All Blacks who came in in 45.

The South Africans made only 32 clean breaks carries in 2022. But the difference is in 2024 they actually carried the ball 730 times in this year’s competition compared 485 carries two years ago.

This year the Springboks (135) were second in the defenders beaten stats behind the All Blacks (165). However, this stat is much better than in 2022 when beat 107 defenders with ball in hand.

So, the Boks carried a lot more this year, but those carries were also with bit more purpose and thinking behind it, as they got the ball into the hands of the players who could do the most damage with it.

Wing Cheslin Kolbe beat an unbelievable 21 defenders during the Rugby Championship, four more than the next best player. He also had six clean breaks and made 239 metres with ball in hand. And, to illustrate the point even more, he didn’t even feature in all of the Boks’ matches.

Springboks not compromising traditional strengths with new approach

However, while the Springboks played with a lot more width on attack, they never sacrificed their traditional strengths to do it.

The Springboks won more scrum penalties than any other team in the competition, which allowed them to take the points or kick for field position to launch their attacks.

The Springboks’ lineout didn’t really live up to its full potential - largely due to the lock injury crisis - but the Springboks probably had one of their best mauling tournaments. They came up with some nifty moves throughout the tournament, but used their power as the go-to option when needed.

The Springboks scored a big a chunk of their tournament high 24 tries off this set-piece, with hooker Malcolm Marx ending the campaign with four tries - two behind the top-scorer All Blacks wing Caleb Clarke.

But the Boks also used both their scrum and lineout to execute lovely strike moves that led to tries. Those were highlighted by quick handling, flat passing and players running great lines.

The scary thing is that is only the start of the Springboks’ evolution, as the merger of the power game and the flair will take some time. The best is certainly yet to come for these Boks.

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Nice to know that someone agrees that the Bok attack is evolving under the coaching of Tony Brown and like the scribe says the best is yet to come.



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MpowerPro5,061 posts
02 Oct 2024, 13:33
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02 Oct 2024, 13:33#2
It will take some time for the Boks to reach there full potential in structured Attack Play. For now it’s a great start and yes it can only get better.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 13:44
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02 Oct 2024, 13:44#3

Mpower

I like your change in atttude - you were vey negative after the Aussie tests/

Denny

Thanks for the above - I saw the inluence of Brown wen ohers said there wss nothing happening.

Wonder whatw ill hapen when Shaca  is back - he is majic nd thts ays a lot of extra attacking options.

What will Mozart say on this issue would be amazing anyway.

       .  .   

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
02 Oct 2024, 14:07
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02 Oct 2024, 14:07#4
Yes Sacha will fit Right in with the Attack side as he is naturally gifted. Rassie mentioned in his post match interview that the side is so used to playing the slow poison tight game, that without really realising it, they switch back to that style. Well it’s not like they should completely drop that part of our game. It is a strength and sometimes especially if it’s wet, it will come in handy.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 14:28
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02 Oct 2024, 14:28#5

Where was the panache against Ireland. Did we really play any differently, winning with mauls and the occasional bit of Kolbe magic act against NZ.

An emperor has no clothes delusion. We were expansive against the Bargies, but only at home. Certainly no more expansive than we were against NZ in that magnificent Ellis Park match in 2013

I wonder, why do people buy this rubbish…perhaps it’s the herd instinct. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
02 Oct 2024, 14:42
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02 Oct 2024, 14:42#6
Moz it’s obvious that this new side of our play is definitely not there fully yet. Even Erasmus admits that. But it’s undeniable that more ball in hand is being implemented. Some might say it’s there fully, but most supporters are more realistic and knows it will come with time.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 15:38
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02 Oct 2024, 15:38#7

Without Faf there is less box kicking, no question.  And I agree there is an intent to use the ball among the backs.  But this story is way ahead of reality and the stats are hardly persuasive. Shouldn’t  we be scoring more tries in a RC we won? 

The Boks scored 24 tries in 2024…..22 in 2013. Were we in the middle of a panache breakout in 2013? Hell in 2018 we scored 20 tries in a horrible RC performance.

But here’s the kicker in 2013  we scored 14 tries via backs. In 2024 we scored 11 tries via backs. Another pathetically researched article that can be debunked in 5 minutes.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 17:51
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02 Oct 2024, 17:51#8

Mozart

In 2012 to 2015 when people complain abou the sory of backine usage ad Morne was flthalf and kicking the shit out of balls - you claimed that the Sprigboks played traditional  SA Rugby and claimd hat 90% of th function of flyhalfs is to kick balls,

Now you come up with stats of tries scored in tests in 2013 - when SA played Samoa and Italy in the June tests,   In those 3 tests against the weaket teams ever to play in the June and July  tests in South Africa the sciores were  -

Agaisnt were as follows:-

Scotland            30-17

Samoa                56-23

Italy                    44-10

In the end of Year Tour a mach agaisn Scotland were included as well and the Springboks in that match won 28-0.    The vast majprity of tries scored were in the above matches  - fact is  of the 22 tries scored in 2013  8 came from  the RC and 7 from he EOYT were scored in the four tests mentioned.  So now we  have double anomalies and that is that tests against Ireland counts the same as tests against the 3 unions mentioned,

If you want to compare stats try and compare the horrible results in 2012 with 2018 - the first year of the coaching of  Meyer and Erasmus respectively,    If 2018 was horrible  - 2012 was a national disaster.

By the way there are still 3 tests to be played in 2024    

So looking at the above your story is TOTAL MOZART BS as per normal,    I suspect you would come up with shit as well and as expected it happened.    In the period 2012 to 2017 the Springoks won 1 test against New Zealand - so now we have in the period 2018 to 2024 the  2 teams plaed   13 tests and the score card  was  13 tests played of which NZ won 7 -  SA won 5 and 1 test was drawn.   That tells a vastly dfferent story compared to the shit you came up with.

By the way the tests played thus far were  10 and there are 3 tests to be played in 2024 - so now the whole 2013 season was complete and the 2024 tests was not.   Must we assume there will be no tries scored in the November tests?    

So try again shitbrain and find something real to use in your argument.    In the meantime Happy Shitbrain Day to you.

               

                       

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Oct 2024, 18:39
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02 Oct 2024, 18:39#9

Now you come up with stats of tries scored in tests in 2013 - when SA played Samoa and Italy in the June tests,   In those 3 tests against he weaket teams ever to play in the June and July  tests in South Africa the sciores were  -

He is talking about tries scored in the RC, not the entire test season. Jirre oom, probeer byhou instead of just firing from the hip .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 19:18
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02 Oct 2024, 19:18#10

So he was talking  about tries scored and not only the RC - SA never scored 22 tries in the RC while Meyer was coach,    Try again  dimness.   SA scored  8 tries in the 2013 RC.

I will make it easy for you - have a look at the following website and stop firing  blanks like you normaly do.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Rugby_Championship    

A pology called for please

     

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Oct 2024, 19:20
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02 Oct 2024, 19:20#11
Everyone should have more Panache in their lives
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Oct 2024, 19:31
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02 Oct 2024, 19:31#12

 SA scored  8 tries in the 2013 RC.

Argentina - 73-13
8 tries + PT

Argentina - 17-22
1 try

Australia - 38-12
4 tries

NZ 15-29
2 tries

Australia 28-8
3 tries

NZ 27-38
4 tries

Still 22 tries ou Maaik. How about an apology for a change, just for a bit of panache, you know?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Oct 2024, 20:33
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02 Oct 2024, 20:33#13

Hate means never having to say sorry..........................................

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 20:41
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02 Oct 2024, 20:41#14

That is the 2012 stats = not 2013 and the argument is about the Argentina test - the first test Argentina played in the RC in 2012.    The sad part is that it was one of the last tests Fat Fransie played in and he scored a chargedown try in the away match that ended up in a draw,   

So try again and look at the 2013 results and not at the 2012 tests.   Must admit I knew the Springboks won the first Argetine test by a massive mardin - I apologize for the 22 test story,of 2012.    By the way the Argentinians after that first mishap improved and through the years became more competitive as is evidnce was in 2015 when they beat the Springboks 37-25/   Gues who was still the Springbok coach in 2015?      

Nice try to find an escape route for Mozart.   He will now try to  change the 2013 story - the ame way you did,       

   

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 21:03
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02 Oct 2024, 21:03#15
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I hate nobody - what I ate is two things - 
*    lies an distortions; and*    political corruption in Goverment.
     
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Oct 2024, 21:23
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02 Oct 2024, 21:23#16

burp

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Oct 2024, 22:25
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02 Oct 2024, 22:25#17
We are certainly playing a far better all round game - we see the likes of PSDT out wide, we see some clever deviations - it all adds to a more attacking mindset It’s great to see and it’s only the start - it will take time to fully evolve and boy imagine when the likes of Fassi, Arendse, Kolbe, Moodie, Willemse, Sacha, Libbok and Williams etc are all on the field together, with other great prospects like Jordan Hendrikse, Tyrone Green, Jurenzo Julius, Henco v Wyk, David Kriel, Ethan Hooker, Jayden Hendrikse and Nohamba Add ball playing forwards like Hanekom, Roos, Buthelezi, Emmanuel Tsituka and Johan Grobelaar All this with the traditional powerhouses we have in our forwards
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 23:12
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02 Oct 2024, 23:12#18
17 August 2013National Stadium, JohannesburgThe Rugby Championship MatchSouth Africa73Argentina13Captain: Jean de VilliersReferee: Chris Pollock (New Zealand)Coach: Heyneke MeyerAttendance: 52,867Team - Combined caps: 485 (starting 15)PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropTendai MtawariraSharks2844 HookerAdriaan StraussCheetahs27241 tryTight-head PropJannie du PlessisSharks3045 LockEben EtzebethWP2114 LockJuandré KrugerRacing2711 FlankFrancois LouwBath2819 FlankWillem AlbertsSharks29211 tryEighthmanDuane VermeulenWP2771 tryScrumhalfRuan PienaarUlster2966 FlyhalfMorné SteynFrancais29458 conversions, 4 penaltiesLeft WingBryan HabanaToulon30861 tryInside Centre (C)Jean de VilliersWP32871 tryOutside CentreJJ EngelbrechtBlue Bulls2441 tryRight WingBjorn BassonBlue Bulls269 Full BackWillie le RouxGriquas233 ReserveFourie du PreezSuntory31621 tryReserveCoenie OosthuizenCheetahs245 ReserveBismarck du PlessisSharks29481 tryReserveFlip van der MerweBlue Bulls2826 ReserveGürthro SteenkampToulouse3240 ReservePat LambieSharks2223 ReserveSiya KolisiWP222 ReserveJan SerfonteinBlue Bulls203 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 23:13
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02 Oct 2024, 23:13#19
August 2013Estadio Malvinas Argentinas, MendozaThe Rugby Championship MatchSouth Africa22Argentina17Captain: Jean de VilliersReferee: Steve Walsh (New Zealand)Coach: Heyneke MeyerAttendance: 23,944Team - Combined caps: 500 (starting 15)PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropTendai MtawariraSharks2845 HookerAdriaan StraussCheetahs2725 Tight-head PropJannie du PlessisSharks3046 LockEben EtzebethWP2115 LockJuandré KrugerRacing2712 FlankFrancois LouwBath2820 FlankWillem AlbertsSharks2922 EighthmanDuane VermeulenWP278 ScrumhalfRuan PienaarUlster2967 FlyhalfMorné SteynFrancais29461 conversion, 5 penaltiesLeft WingBryan HabanaToulon3087 Inside Centre (C)Jean de VilliersWP3288 Outside CentreJJ EngelbrechtBlue Bulls245 Right WingBjorn BassonBlue Bulls26101 tryFull BackWillie le RouxGriquas244 ReserveBismarck du PlessisSharks2949 ReserveFlip van der MerweBlue Bulls2827 ReserveGürthro SteenkampToulouse3241 ReservePat LambieSharks2224 ReserveJan SerfonteinBlue Bulls204 ReserveSiya KolisiWP223 ReserveCoenie OosthuizenCheetahs246 Argentina: 2 tries, 2 conversions, 1 penalty


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 23:14
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02 Oct 2024, 23:14#20
7 September 2013Suncorp Stadium (Lang Park), BrisbaneThe Rugby Championship MatchSouth Africa38Australia12Captain: Jean de VilliersReferee: George Clancy (Ireland)Coach: Heyneke MeyerAttendance: 43,715Team - Combined caps: 567 (starting 15)PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropTendai MtawariraSharks2846 HookerBismarck du PlessisSharks2950 Tight-head PropJannie du PlessisSharks3047 LockEben EtzebethWP2116 LockFlip van der MerweBlue Bulls2828 FlankFrancois LouwBath2821 FlankWillem AlbertsSharks2923 EighthmanDuane VermeulenWP279 ScrumhalfRuan PienaarUlster2968 FlyhalfMorné SteynFrancais29473 conversions, 4 penaltiesLeft WingBryan HabanaToulon3088 Inside Centre (C)Jean de VilliersWP32891 tryOutside CentreJJ EngelbrechtBlue Bulls246 Right WingWillie le RouxGriquas2451 tryFull BackZane KirchnerLeinster29241 tryReserveCoenie OosthuizenCheetahs2471 tryReserveAdriaan StraussCheetahs2726 ReserveGürthro SteenkampToulouse3242 ReserveJuandré KrugerRacing2813 ReserveSiya KolisiWP224 ReservePat LambieSharks2225 ReserveJan SerfonteinBlue Bulls205 ReserveJano VermaakToulouse281 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 23:16
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02 Oct 2024, 23:16#21
14 September 2013Eden Park, AucklandThe Rugby Championship MatchSouth Africa15New Zealand29Captain: Jean de VilliersReferee: Romain Poite (France)Coach: Heyneke MeyerAttendance: 47,362Team - Combined caps: 582 (starting 15)PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropTendai MtawariraSharks2847 HookerBismarck du PlessisSharks29511 tryTight-head PropJannie du PlessisSharks3048 LockEben EtzebethWP2117 LockFlip van der MerweBlue Bulls2829 FlankFrancois LouwBath2822 FlankWillem AlbertsSharks2924 EighthmanDuane VermeulenWP2710 ScrumhalfRuan PienaarUlster2969 FlyhalfMorné SteynFrancais29481 conversion, 1 penaltyLeft WingBryan HabanaToulon3089 Inside Centre (C)Jean de VilliersWP3290 Outside CentreJJ EngelbrechtBlue Bulls247 Right WingWillie le RouxGriquas246 Full BackZane KirchnerLeinster2925 ReserveAdriaan StraussCheetahs2727 ReserveJuandré KrugerRacing2814 ReserveCoenie OosthuizenCheetahs248 ReserveGürthro SteenkampToulouse3243 ReserveJan SerfonteinBlue Bulls206 ReserveSiya KolisiWP225 ReserveJano VermaakToulouse282 ReservePat LambieSharks22261 tryNew Zealand: 4 tries, 3 conversions, 1 penalty


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 23:16
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02 Oct 2024, 23:16#22
28 September 2013Newlands, Cape TownThe Rugby Championship MatchSouth Africa28Australia8Captain: Jean de VilliersReferee: Jérôme Garcès (France)Coach: Heyneke MeyerAttendance: 46,052Team - Combined caps: 566 (starting 15)PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropTendai MtawariraSharks2848 HookerAdriaan StraussCheetahs27281 tryTight-head PropJannie du PlessisSharks3049 LockEben EtzebethWP2118 LockFlip van der MerweBlue Bulls2830 FlankFrancois LouwBath2823 FlankWillem AlbertsSharks2925 EighthmanDuane VermeulenWP2711 ScrumhalfFourie du PreezSuntory3163 FlyhalfMorné SteynFrancais29492 conversions, 3 penaltiesLeft WingBryan HabanaToulon3090 Inside Centre (C)Jean de VilliersWP3291 Outside CentreJJ EngelbrechtBlue Bulls248 Right WingWillie le RouxGriquas2471 tryFull BackZane KirchnerLeinster29261 tryReserveBismarck du PlessisSharks2952 ReserveGürthro SteenkampToulouse3244 ReserveJan SerfonteinBlue Bulls207 ReserveSiya KolisiWP226 ReserveJuandré KrugerRacing2815 ReserveCoenie OosthuizenCheetahs249 ReservePat LambieSharks2227 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 23:17
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02 Oct 2024, 23:17#23
5 October 2013Ellispark, JohannesburgThe Rugby Championship MatchSouth Africa27New Zealand38Captain: Jean de VilliersReferee: Nigel Owens (Wales)Coach: Heyneke MeyerAttendance: 63,888Team - Combined caps: 590 (starting 15)PositionPlayerProvinceAgePrev TestsScoringLoose-head PropTendai MtawariraSharks2849 HookerBismarck du PlessisSharks2953 Tight-head PropJannie du PlessisSharks3050 LockEben EtzebethWP2119 LockJuandré KrugerRacing2816 FlankFrancois LouwBath2824 FlankWillem AlbertsSharks2926 EighthmanDuane VermeulenWP2712 ScrumhalfFourie du PreezSuntory3164 FlyhalfMorné SteynFrancais29502 conversions, 1 penaltyLeft WingBryan HabanaToulon30912 triesInside Centre (C)Jean de VilliersWP32921 tryOutside CentreJJ EngelbrechtBlue Bulls249 Right WingWillie le RouxGriquas2481 tryFull BackZane KirchnerLeinster2927 ReserveJan SerfonteinBlue Bulls208 ReserveSiya KolisiWP227 ReserveCoenie OosthuizenCheetahs2410 ReserveAdriaan StraussCheetahs2729 ReserveGürthro SteenkampToulouse3245 ReserveFranco van der MerweLions300 ReserveRuan PienaarUlster2970 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 23:19
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02 Oct 2024, 23:19#24

There you go Saaiman…..22 tries in 2013. Suck on that.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2024, 02:31
#25
03 Oct 2024, 02:31#25

Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2024, 02:38
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03 Oct 2024, 02:38#26

8 in a test tht never recurred again and you wrote about all tests dimnss not only in any other series  since 2012 

2012          -     10 tries                                      -   3rd on the log

2013          =     22 tries with 9 coming in one test against Argentina   - second on the log

2014          =     12 tries                                      second on the log

2015          =      6 tries  only 3 tests played       bottom of the  log

So in 21 tests  played from  2012 to 2015 the Springboks on average scored   50 tries at an average of 2,38  per test played,   you picked only one series because the Argentinians lost in 1  test by a huge margin and that loss was handpickd to give  totally distorted  figure you can use to give an indication of what really happened,    Based on the other tests played  over 4 years the averasge tries sscored per test was  2,38 tries per test.

In the case of the 2024 series  the Springbok scored  24 tries in 6 matches at an sverage of 4 tris  test,  in other words  a 168% improvement on try scoring abilities of te team thi year compared to the average for  tries scored in the similar tests  in the period 2012 tho  2015.   Fom a stat istical point of view that myth of yours represents cherry-picking - in other words total BS.


                                               

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2024, 04:03
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03 Oct 2024, 04:03#27
There I was thinking you might apologize for stubbornly and incorrectly claiming Pakie and I were using 2012 stats and not 2013 stats…implying we were dishonest. 
As for using HMs best year…I was comparing it to Harrassmiss’ best year, to see if 2024 was a breakout in tries and particularly in backline tries.
It wasn’t at 24 to 22 in 2013 it was marginally higher. In terms of backline tries 2013 was ahead of 2024, 14 to 11. Even more to the point, we scored 18 backline tries in 2018 vs 11 in 2024. More panache, more backline skill, more ball handling? More hype actually.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Oct 2024, 05:33
#28
03 Oct 2024, 05:33#28

2012          -     10 tries                                      -   3rd on the log

2013          =     22 tries with 8 coming in one test against Argentina

Oh but wait, you said I was quoting 2012 stats with the 22 tries. Now you produce 2012 stats with only 10 tries, and produce 2013 stats that match mine after claiming we only scored 8 tries in 2013.

What's that they say about playing chess with a pigeon?
Ou Maaik, for your sake I hope you don't have family that know who you are and read this board, because I would have been ashamed if one of my family members acted like this. These days I can laugh at your antics because it's so predictable, but also so pitifully pathetic.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2024, 06:44
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03 Oct 2024, 06:44#29

Mozart

Yu are talkin BS  again.  You picked and choose stts to sue them inappropriately to justify BS and again you pick tries scoed by foads and abckine players a if you donot realize that the rie were scored n that basis alone.   If owards ar part of backline attacks as they should be in the present style f play and score tries it imeaningless to falsify it as what you in 2015 called "traditiona SA Rugby when jsutifing the piss-or peformances like Morne Steyn.

That Argentinian test was not typical s tow hat happened in the Meyer era and I ointed out what happened in the 4 years tha he was unfortunately the coach of SA - somebody you in four yers criticized only once - while your criticism of Erasmus averages 3 times per day.

What your piss brain never realized is that playing styles of players have to change in matches to fit in with the new attacking approach of the team.and that change si realized by you.  In ny event there is a huge dfference between what you saw in matches and what really happened.   You have eben caughtt lying about instances in matches endlessly - and this is just another example of wa eall happened in this case.   And piss brain you do not even know or pretend not to know what a maul try is and when ihe maul ended from going forward and players breaa way from mauls and eiher day r athe player scored a try as a result.

I despise youlies and distortions and especially this one where ou cherry pick stats tot ry and prove somethig you fail to see ecause you do not want to see what is happening in games,    I also remember how in 2015 claimed that you are th best world  expert and nobody else can compare with you when it came  incident analysis.    Hav you eve been ight n any falsified analysis only you can see and nobody else can see.   

Aside fom that your hatered of Ersmus as coach and some Springbk playes are notorious and totally rjetd bythining players and experts and you made hundreds of fals sttmnts justiying your BS.

So I apologize about the try-scoring in the 2013 RC - but for nothing else.   I realiz the Arentinian test that year was an anomlyand not natural and that was proved in the other years Meyer was a coach - so what i said about cherry-picing applies 100% in this case.

Pakie

For your sake I hav virtualy no amily memebs left and thy know what I am and was like - not a BSter like youwhoa re not pathetic - but simply a total BSter like Mozart.   

I think for my own benefot I am not going to comment on furter BS like you and Mzart came up with on site.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Oct 2024, 07:28
#30
03 Oct 2024, 07:28#30
"I think for my own benefot I am not going to comment on furter BS like you and Mzart came up with on site." Until you guys mention Mostert, Rassie, Meyer, White, Trump, Ukraine, rugby, the ANC, zebras, anything that happens between sea level and 32000ft altitude, anything that occurs between the same sea level and 200 bazillion leagues under its surface, in space, or in any one of the theorised 11 dimensions of string theory...Mike will not comment on your BS.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Oct 2024, 08:02
#31
03 Oct 2024, 08:02#31

All this with the traditional powerhouses we have in our forwards

There's an aura about the Boks these days it went missing when they were stale.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Oct 2024, 09:54
#32
03 Oct 2024, 09:54#32

"I think for my own benefot I am not going to comment on furter BS like you and Mzart came up with on site."

Until you guys mention Mostert, Rassie, Meyer, White, Trump, Ukraine, rugby, the ANC, zebras, anything that happens between sea level and 32000ft altitude, anything that occurs between the same sea level and 200 bazillion leagues under its surface, in space, or in any one of the theorised 11 dimensions of string theory...Mike will not comment on your BS.

Hehe, while it would be great to have a discussion without this old chap always chiming in with a wheelbarrow full of lies, we all know that ain't gonna happen.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Oct 2024, 12:55
#33
03 Oct 2024, 12:55#33

All I'm gonna say is...



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2024, 15:35
#34
03 Oct 2024, 15:35#34

Well that’s a good result….Saaiman isn’t going to lie about my posts anymore. Cool.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Oct 2024, 16:11
#35
03 Oct 2024, 16:11#35

The more things change the more they stay the same...Maaik is never gonna change...don't get you're hopes up.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Oct 2024, 16:20
#36
03 Oct 2024, 16:20#36

Maaik sees all criticism of his favorite players and the current Bok coaching setup as high treason...and his response to it is clearly over the top...and I understand most on here's reaction to it...more later.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
03 Oct 2024, 17:16
#37
03 Oct 2024, 17:16#37
“Maaik sees all criticism of his favorite players and the current Bok coaching setup as high treason and his response to it is clearly over the top."same counts for Dave. I would say Dave is even more extreme with his responses.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Oct 2024, 17:24
#38
03 Oct 2024, 17:24#38

Draad, he's just dishonest. It's not even age. He's been doing this for as long as I can remember on these forums. A decade or more it is now. Same MO. I should probably ignore the old coot, but we also want to have discussions with some form of integrity and respect for the truth here, otherwise it really is a waste of time. We can differ on opinions, vehemently if we choose, that's the spice of discussion. But concocting falsehoods to serve a personal agenda and dragging that into honest discussions is a disservice to the game we love and the players who play it.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Oct 2024, 17:24
#39
03 Oct 2024, 17:24#39

...and some of the critique is deliberately provocative too...still don't excuse the abusive responses.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Oct 2024, 18:43
#40
04 Oct 2024, 18:43#40

Draad

I think that in dealing wwith the type of rugby played one has to look at whaat the pvonicial franchises has to offer - sine the players who excell in playing a much more attacjking and comprehensive rugby/  I  watched  many vidis and cme top the conclusion that in al respect th ugby played this year was aa vasrt improvemen of the franncise performance in 2012 to 2015.

Since a much more comprehemsive game plan is used on provincial level; that he National team will benefit from players already ptepare to play comprehensiv level tugby as well.     

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