Stat attack: How the Springboks have added panache to ‘skop, skiet and donner’ style

Draad

I think that in dealing wwith the type of rugby played one has to look at whaat the pvonicial franchises has to offer - sine the players who excell in playing a much more attacjking and comprehensive rugby/  I  watched  many vidis and cme top the conclusion that in al respect th ugby played this year was aa vasrt improvemen of the franncise performance in 2012 to 2015.

Since a much more comprehemsive game plan is used on provincial level; that he National team will benefit from players already ptepare to play comprehensiv level tugby as well.     

Maaik, I know...and there's a lot more to consider than just comparing the tries scored for the year...everyone knows that, but you still take the bait...just try not to get so angry...can't be good for you......imagine there's people not rating PSDT and DdA at all...almost as bad as thinking Mostert and AE are useles...

Have to say Mike is right a large percent of tbe time which is pretty awesome. 

One only wonders why Draad sides with prove bullshittters like mozzietard etc. 

Beeno

Mozart is always trying to discredit Erasmus all the time and now fell back o a test in 2013 when he claimed that te Springboks played all round rugby - which in fact was BS.   In teh Argenine team comprised mostly of newbies ferom he Hindu club.    They lost he match by 73-13.   The fact si the wards overwhelmed the Argentinme team and if that ws any measure of 15 man ugby - i enver was the case even in that test where  5 of the 9 tries scored was by forwards.

What is amazing is the fact that in 2012 - the Springbks scored 10 tries in the 2012 RC, 12 in the    2014 RC and 6 in the  2015 RC did not repressent anything consistently found  in the RC between 2012 and 2015and was definitely not anything to do with  playig 15 man rugby in a dark era in Springbok rugby under Meyer who had notan idea abou ugby coaching and where the team never played 15 man rugby.

Mozart by 2015 wrote constant shit about  "Traditional  Springbok Rugby" and that 90% of the function of flyhalfs is to kick balls.   His grea flyhalf at the time was Morne Steyn ad in al the years Mozart wrote one cntribution after a disastrous Springbok performance he wrote a mldly critical thread on Meyer as coach.   Compare that to his virtually daily atacks  Erasmus is really amazing.   It started in April 2018 when he wrote a classic that SARU should rather have retained  Coetzee as head coach thn to appoint Erasmus - based enirely on Erasmus career as a coach which covered two years at the Free State and 2 years with te Stormers,   For the rest h e was Director of Rugby-first of the Stormers and then SARU.

‘ Pakie

For your sake I hav virtualy no amily memebs left and thy know what I am and was like - not a BSter like youwhoa re not pathetic - but simply a total BSter like Mozart.   

I think for my own benefot I am not going to comment on furter BS like you and Mzart came up with on site.’

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You posted that right on this string.I thought you were going to stop  commenting on my posts Saaiman….just another lie apparently. Plum is right, you are obsessed .

Stick to your commitment Saaiman….I have nothing to say to you any  more. 

In hindsight becs is probably the only member not being subjected to ridicule & abuse.

Is that a cue for you to start on me, Blob ?!  

Nooit its good to know that we've one Untouchable here. Anyways the only people you seem to have a pop at are the English teams.

"One only wonders why Draad sides with prove bullshittters like mozzietard etc. "

Huh?...I side with nobody...I try to side with right...and I try to apologize when I'm wrong...Truth ...but it's not easy.

Back to the point….we scored more backline tries in our poor 2018 Rugby Championship than we scored in the 2024 Rugby Cup. Eighteen tries to 11!

And our club franchises are still playing a more skillful offload game than the Boks. 

We won the 2024 RC with forward power and turnover ball effectiveness. The Brown imprint was hard to see except for the first half of the final home game against the Bargies. 

...and the point is?

Nice to know I’m untouchable, Blob  

Yes, we're still the world champs!

Nothing changes. We win the RWC and Mozzie is a down in the mouth. 

We win the Rugby Championship and Mozzie is miserable. 

Time you formally crossed over to the wee a camp Mozzie. Or maybe Ireland! 

Can you imagine how happy Mozzie will be if things went badly for the Boks. 

"No bearing on the subject of this string of course, but responsive to your point, which also has no bearing on the string."

If you can’t see the change in approach in Bok rugby this year, I can't help you...it hasn't lead to more tries...yet, but the ball definitely goes through the hands more and there is more variation in our pl ay...even some new line-out innovation...it's a work in progress...and I love seeing it unfold...I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

Draad has firt of all to look at the style of rugby the URC matches  played this year by SA teams - the vast improvement thus far by the SA teams indicate that they have adjusted their own game plan to be baed n comprehensive and attacking rugby being played on that level.   That is where the foundation needed to be laid for he Springboks to play a different style of rugby to what was played since 2000 to 2017 - what was different in 2018 to 2019 idicated an advance in playing  all Round rugby - but 2021-23 was not  prductive as expected and that was the rason for Browne's appointment.

To expect the new style of rugby would be evident in the tests against the Irish was not clear in the Irish tests - but there were  still some fier points to be cleared out/   He made out that the Springboks failed 100% in the second test  - which was won by the Irish stemming from penalties awarded against Van Staden and Wiese - en ding to corner kicks where the line-outs were won by the Irish and resulted in conversion of two drop goals.   For Mozart it was the best thing  ever to proving Ersmus is a failed coach and also Du Toit for somehow not preventing the second drop goal.

That was the point Mozart tried to make in thsi thread.    The claim that there was no difference in the Springboks game plan is what he tried to prove  in this case - but his stats indicate and confirm that he based his arguments solely on BS.   Experts worldwide  declare oherwise - but members like Mozart oppose their vewpoints and advocate unsubstantiated BS hatred of Erasmus, Du Toit and De Allende as a basis for their attacks.

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Your point was ‘we are still world champs’…..which was a snide little comment  which had nothing to do with our change in rugby style. The ‘still’ is a dead giveaway.

As for the progress we made….nothing was evident, except that magnificent break and offload by Sacha…until the first half of the second Bargie test. We kicked less but by and large our ball in hand play was toothless. Starting with our forward ball carrying.

Then there’s poor obsessed Saaiman, who just can’t stop commenting on my material despite his pledge to do so….pitiful.

Rugby championship …..backline tries under Harrassmiss:

2018….18

2021….8

2022…10

2024….11

Stunning progress in backline effectiveness…..it’s a revolution in backline play!

"Your point was ‘we are still world champs’…..which was a snide little comment  which had nothing to do with our change in rugby style. The ‘still’ is a dead giveaway."

So now it's snide, maybe you're just a little bit too touchy...? I am a bit irritable at what I perceive as your constant negativity surround the Bokke...

"We kicked less but by and large our ball in hand play was toothless."

Yes, we don't reap the full rewards yet, but the point is that there is a clear shift in the approach...an added dimension...which you are downplaying as insignificant...you are very hard to please and I'm not the only one guiltily of being a tad snide. 

An added dimension…..again, describe it….give some examples. Have we seen…,the flyhalf loop around like Sexton.,,,,any of our wings cut through the middle like Duhan….the backs run a double wing with dummy runners (I might have spotted this in Bargie2) ….any back except Kriel in Bargie 2 run a Joe Cool like cut.

These things aren’t rocket science, all our major opponents  do them. Jake White got the Sharks forwards offloading within a few games. We still have no continuous forward offloading play…just the odd surprise.

Nobody denies there is some intent….but you know and I know in a tight test against France. Ireland or the ABs this wil disappear like a puff of smoke. To work under pressure it has to be instinctive. It’s not being done often enough to get there.

And to make the claim this journalist does is typical hype.

The dimness is always wroong because h refse to accept tests their were at leat five tries scored in 2924 by forwards who were part of backline attacks - which is normal in comprehensive rugby.  He does not realise that  attacks by backline players are mostly successful when the attcks are joint by forwards -especially the loosies.  For him it is beyond understanding that forwas -and especially loosies often joined the backline in attacking and even scored tries in that process.  

For instance in both the tries scored in the 2019 RWC final  Marx provided the overlap that resulted in the first try,   In te case of te second try Du Toit played a key role as well.   It happened epeatedly in tests this year -  but Mozart's complaint for years about Du Toit is that he is not amongst the forwards and according to him in the wrong place when joining in backline tests,

The fact is that backline play only using bckline players are not ewhat result in dangerous attacks - with more players involved in atacks there are gaps in defense that is used to create tries.    However - that story is total BS,   In one of the tests  this yer D u toit scored a try and so did kolisi - when both were involved in backline attacks.

The AB 's for years used thats ystem and everybody realize that there was a change iro the Springoks and tht change isa going to progress rapidly in future.    

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"Nobody denies there is some intent….but you know and I know in a tight test against France. Ireland or the ABs this wil disappear like a puff of smoke. To work under pressure it has to be instinctive. It’s not being done often enough to get there."

Yes, it's a work in progress and it will take time...have you looked at the meters gained running vs previous years?...I would wager that there's a big difference...same with passes...same with kicks retrieved...I agree that there's always an amount of hype when the Boks are winning, but it's not all hype...change should be gradual...I'm not expecting immediate radical change, just a gradual expansion of skills and variation...and I'm fine with that.