This is why some of us are not convinced. Both played 9 tests . Steph wins the tackles column, nothing else. Savea was also a player of the year nominee.
Steph - Savea
51 Carries 82
127 Meters 483
7 Breaks 13
7 D. Beaten 34
0 Offloads 5
5.6 R/TO Conceded 8.2 (Concedes a turnover every x carries)
111 Tack. made 96
23 Tack. missed 2
83% Tack. success 98%
If we were to compare production, Steph wouldn't make the top 10.
Production is production. How can Steph be a more integral player if he is considerably less productive? Is Steph's role to be uninvolved?
Idiots
Savea played as opensider and Du Toit as blindsider. The efforts by you two to come up with reasons about Savea must claim that you know more about what happens in games than the panel of real experts that picked Du Toit ahead of Savea.
Savea initially played as opensider and in the last few tests moved to blindsider - why? Because he is pace-deficient - but physically very strong in carries, He is consequently NOT an open-field player and not where in play situations Du Toit is routinely present.
Happy Idiots Day to you.
Idiots
Savea played as opensider and Du Toit as blindsider. The efforts by you two to come up with reasons about Savea must claim that you know more about what happens in games than the panel of real experts that picked Du Toit ahead of Savea.
Savea initially played as opensider and in the last few tests moved to blindsider - why? Because he is pace-deficient - but physically very strong in carries, He is consequently NOT an open-field player and not where in play situations Du Toit is routinely present.
Happy Idiots Day to you.
The award is BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD , not best blindside flank - though he still loses that.
More productive than Steph. This has been a terrible couple of days for the Church of Steph.
I thought it was just"Player of the year" ...and I'm sure that there's a bit more to it than just playing ability...there is obviously an emotional component...and maybe even a "role model" or "capturing the spirit of the game" consideration...rugby is about way more than can be read into statistics.
Savea only played one game at openside, the semi against England where he probably switched to blinside again halfway through when Cane replaced S Barrett .
The rest he played 5 tests at blindside, 2 at #8 and one as a reserve where he played only 9 minutes.
The problem is nitwit that you abused stats by trying to prove that the Springbok team of 2015 was better than the team was in 2019 - only partial stats since you left out try-scoring and the winning and losing of matches, That is idiotic and absurd. Stats is an indicator of what happens - but not the alpha and Omega of team or player evaluation.
Can you piss-brains not understand why Du Toit was picked ahead of Ardie Savea as Player of the Year? .
I am not sure - but is the Ardie family real roll-models for youngsters to admire in rugby? There has been indications that they are off he field not so and I think that may have played a role as well.
Maaik, Ardie is a great player, but it's easy to shine in the Alblacks team...don't cheapen things by falling for baseless accusations. PSDT is a deserved winner, don't mind the haters. You do the same thing to the players you don't like.Let it be, you got some vindication this round...rather enjoy that.
am not sure - but is the Ardie family real examples for youngsters to admire in rugby?
Based on what?
Leave it at that - the real drunky and wife-beater was Julian Savea - but there has been some drunken stories about Ardie as well. Maybe so - but it may have impacted on voting. I am nit saying it is factual at all - but the panel members may have brought things up which could have influenced voting.
Maaik, there are stories about Eben too....unfair to mention it without facts to back it up.
" To all three non-thinkers on site from News24:-
Just the third South African winner of the prestigious World Rugby Player of the Year mantle … and first Springbok loose forward since Schalk Burger back in 2004.
But there could be few doubters anywhere over the crowning of Pieter-Steph du Toit, the quintessentially modest, soft-spoken giant from farming stock in the westerly regions of the Boland, for this year’s title just a day after the Boks’ stunning RWC 2019 success.
It was a serious SA “clean-up”, of course, with the national team unsurprisingly earning Team of the Year, and their meteoric-rising, master tactician Rassie Erasmus the Coach of the Year laurel for good measure - again, pretty much no-brainers.
The Player of the Year title was instituted by the former International Rugby Board in 2001, and first won by feisty Irish hooker Keith Wood.
As you might expect, it has been significantly monopolised since by New Zealanders, with as many as 10 recipients subsequently - including two three-time winners in Richie McCaw (2006, 2009 and 2010) and Dan Carter (2005, 2012, 2015) and back-to-back wins by Beauden Barrett in 2016 and 2017.
The Player of the Year title was instituted by the former International Rugby Board in 2001, and first won by feisty Irish hooker Keith Wood.
As you might expect, it has been significantly monopolised since by New Zealanders, with as many as 10 recipients subsequently - including two three-time winners in Richie McCaw (2006, 2009 and 2010) and Dan Carter (2005, 2012, 2015) and back-to-back wins by Beauden Barrett in 2016 and 2017.
It was initially a tough, hardly flawless swap for Du Toit, who has commendably, gradually also shed a few of his previous 120 kilograms to cater specifically for the different needs (including key positioning awareness on defence) of the side-of-scrum berth: remember the awkward, costly run-around he got defensively from a devilish, dummying England scrumhalf Ben Youngs in a Test at Twickenham in late 2016?
In the higher-tier RWC 2019 showpiece, Youngs was again England’s starting No 9 ... but the brutal pressure an altogether more street-wise Du Toit placed on both him and jittery halfback partner George Ford somehow symbolised the ever-mounting triumph of his conversion.
The Boks have prided themselves for decades in big, brawny, yet skilled and mobile blindside flanks who are effectively “extra locks” on the park for the levels of general grunt they offer but also as strong back-of-lineout jumpers, forceful cleaners and durable tacklers.
Theuns Stofberg, Gert Smal, Danie Rossouw, Juan Smith ... they are just some notable examples of what has gone before in the No 7 jersey since the 1980s.
The rangy Smith, of course, was a key pillar of the Boks’ last World Cup triumph in France in 2007: Du Toit was to prove every bit as dynamic and industrious - and perhaps even then some - over the course of several weeks in Japan and also in the lead-up Tests of the current, glittering calendar year.
He is as comfortable and high-worth now as he could possibly be at No 7, presumably still with several seasons of yeoman service to come (touch wood, for a player who also had two serious cruciate knee ligament injuries to wrestle with earlier in his first-class career, the blond bomber has also been blessed by uninterrupted clean health on that front for a long time since).
In many ways, Du Toit - always willing and engaging enough, yet so clearly not hugely comfortable in the glare of media flashbulbs - provided an array of obvious strengths at blindside flank that other frontline countries in Japan tellingly could not.
At least partly motivated by not having quite the level of orthodox class and range of attributes they might wish to sport in the blind-sider berth, teams like New Zealand, England and Australia have tended to lean recently toward a “two-fetcher”, lower-centre-of-gravity policy for their flankers.
That is fine on a day where manufacturing turnovers at vital times is a common hallmark, but Du Toit proved quite categorically on Saturday that - especially when you are looking after your own ball zealously, as the Boks overwhelmingly did - there is no substitute for a charging, marauding, tall-timber behemoth routinely knocking people back and ensuring front-foot momentum on a regular basis.
Just one reason the formerly imperious All Blacks have taken a costly step backwards in the last year or two, I am adamant, has been the failure to properly identify a viable, robust blindside flank to succeed Jerome Kaino, who quit internationals after 81 caps in 2017.
South Africa? Well, simply no such angst these days."
What Pakie posted was not subjective.....it was objective. Stats nothing more. There are elements that aren't measured....like the power put into the mauls. But of the things that can be measured Savea was massively better.
Stephanie is the media choice.....the narrative is bleated out by every commentating team....if the Boks won the final he was a lock (no pun intended) for the award.
'The haters'......there you go again Draad. I don't hate Steph, he seems like a good bloke. I hate favouritism, a very South African disease and close cousin to mediocrity.
Mozart
You really could have surprised me by your hatred comment. I have seen too many threads started by you that was attacks on Du Toit since the start of your regular attacks on the guy since 2013. Do not be surprised about the perception people get of the hatred you really professed of Du Toit.
When there were positives in his performances you never mentioned it and when it was mentioned you made comical negative comments - like the kick preceding the try scored by De Jager against the Aussies in the Rugby Championship. Du Toit broke the line and made an excellent kick gathered by Jantjies - who was caught on the line and when the ball came back to De Jager he forced his way over the tryline.
Top thing was you totally ignored the try being scored and when challenged on the kick that was the key to scoring of the try - your comment was it was a useless kick that could have bounced differently. Now that was your line for years. You look for player deficiencies in tests in respect of what I always call your pet hate players and when you cannot find any - you accuse them of things that has no relation to reality and at times can really be called lies.
As far as I know I have not seen ONE favourable comment on Du Toit in 6 years, Every time he is mentioned favourably it is according to you media hype.
If that is not player hatred - I wonder what is?
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"'The haters'......there you go again Draad. I don't hate Steph, he seems like a good bloke. I hate favouritism, a very South African disease and close cousin to mediocrity."
It's a figure of speech. I know you don't hate him...and you have your favorites too...mediocrity you say?...and what about bias, infighting and strife...all part of the SA psyche ?
Look, I don't mean to ridicule your views...I don't agree with some of them. We both have strong opinions and I'm cool with that. I really try not to offend, but sometimes we step on toes.
"Doem Draad"
Shark, check your spelling before you are banned to the stupid corner too...but don't worry, we've got some good blokes amongst us...
