Stormers exit and…

…..can anybody now doubt, Manie Libbok simply can’t be the Bok kicker. And on another note if Moerat was a yellow, how the blue blazes was Cane a red.

Didn’t see the game, but caught the highlights. Looks like Manie still has the same BMT issues. Not a bok 

Ofcourse he's a bok, just not a Springbok...

Question, is time to relegate Libbok. He’s been in the system for some time now and got his break after his 3rd lifeline from a desperate Stormers that was bankrupt and had no budget for players. 

He bombed at the World Cup, them Lost last years URC final with a performance. Played really poorly all season away from home, actually for 2 seasons now and then just couldn’t get any ascendancy in this game at all. Probably an exhibition player. 

We have better 10s. If I was Dobbo I would give Mattee and Fineberg a crack next season and stop banking on Libbok. The stormers needed to win 1 game away from home and Libbok just simply can’t play up north. 

I would have serious questions if Rassie selects him for the wales test at twickenham given his performance 

Manie is a fine player, but should not be the kicker at test level.

Libbok is also a poor defender. As for the conditions excuse…Horne 5/0 puts paid to that argument. The same argument you used when Manie hooked a potential match winning kick a few weeks back.

Manie 0/4. He cant kick under pressure, it’s obvious.and his defense is sub par. That leaves us with his running game which is a joy to watch, but containable at test  level.

If he is going to play for the Boks somebody else needs to do the kicking.

Morne wasn't a bad player, but his defence let him down too. He actually got better the older he got. 

Manie on the other hand struggle under heavy conditions. His attacking game become ineffective like we saw against England when he got yanked after 30 min because he couldn't get his kick to work nor could he rely on his foot work. 

He has the highest ball turn over in contact. He is almost guaranteed to lose the ball in contact.

So we play against NZ in NZ, no chance the Boks will have to win

Morne wasn't a bad player, but his defence let him down too.

I did a rundown of Morne's test stats years ago. His tackling success was in the deep 80 percent if I recall correctly, right on par with the likes of Carter. His worst defensive figures was in his last few tests, otherwise he would probably have ended a 90 percenter. That's better tackle success than, for example, DDA.

And yet Morne won two Lion series and two Super Rugby series. Accomplishments Jantjies and Libbok could only dream about.

Under the most intense pressure imaginable, he produces a 54 meter kick, which was so high over the bar it would have cleared at 60 meters. Legend.

https://www.facebook.com/sarugbymagazine/videos/morne-steyn-winner-vs-lions-2009/3065872950363080/

The team won the penalty, but from that distance even without Lions’ series pressure, one in ten kicks would have made it. Morne won the Lions’ series

A good provincial player who amounted to little at tes t level - unlike Morne.

Jantjies & Libbok ....................sadly

crack ......................................

Hi Becs

Hello Blob  

Morne had a similar strike rate to Dud Allende:

Morne….68 tests/8 tries

After 68 tests….Dud Allende, the best 12 the game has ever seen and a consensus pick for the team of the universe … had scored 9. 

Hence Morne has to be one of the best attacking fly halves in the known universe?

Inside centers should score tries, not as much as wing, scrum half and hooker….but up there.  Blindsides should be able to beat defenders ….otherwise their runs are toothless, like Dud Toit.

And every player should be able to effect a turnover…..some just have more opportunities. And Dud Toit had several in the WC he bottled.

O Driscoll …47 tries

Umaga 36 tries

Fourie 32 tries

Greenwood 31 tries

Guscott 31 tries

Horan 30 tries

Sella 30 tries

Jean de Villiers 27 tries

Gerber 19 tries….in 24 tests

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And then we have Dud Allende with 11 tries in 78 tests. 

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Centers score plenty of tries. Dud doesn’t…..he is the opposite of Arendse, who sees the opportunity and executes instantly. Dud sees nothing and so he is just a process player. The attempt to teach him tactical kicking is embarrassing, resulting in two woeful tactical kicks in the final. All about the kick, zero about the result

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So please no more about centers not scoring tries.

I see…rugby changed five years ago. Now inside centers don’t score tries. Except:

Tuilagi 10 tries in 32 games….twice Dud’s rate.

Kerevi 10 tries in 49 games….one and a half times Dud’s rate

Tuisova 11 tries in 23 tests….three and a half times Dud’s rate

Bundi  16 tries in 56 matches….twice Dud’s rate

Jordie Barrett 4 tries in 12 matches….2022 through now, when he played12….two and a half times Dud’s rate.

North 4 tries in 17 matches 2022 through now…1.8 times Dud’s rate

Manu 5 tries in 12 matches… 3 times Dud’s rate

…  and just for your enjoyment Adi Jacob’s 7 tries in 34 tests….one and a half times Dud’s rate.

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Well there you have it. Dud is hopeless at scoring tries….even more hopeless at creating tries. A dead end,

"Yes the game has changed considerably in the last 5 years"

Not really Dave... well, not in this specific regard that you are referring to here.

There is actually only a difference of two tries scored from 2014 to 2018 and 2019 to 2023 by the top 11 international inside centres that played during these periods.

However ...

What is very interesting to note though, is that according to the stats produced by ChatGPT when I requested certain information on the ratios of tries from inside centres compared to all other playing positions, from 2014 - 2023.... apparently only 2% of tries are scored by inside centres... compared to all other rugby playing positions.....and this is an approximation based on the general amount of international rugby tries scored annually by all positions.

Maybe Moz can confirm if these stats hold any water..... I know that's his speciality

"That’s my point though - the role of a 12 has changed considerably in the last 5 years or more. Gone of the creative stepping types to the big physical ball carrying types",

You might believe that, but the stats themselves that I presented, show that the last 5 years, and the 5 years prior to that, show almost no difference at all in the amount of tries scored from this specific position.... in fact from 2014 - 2018 I think it was 48 tries, and it was 50 tries for the next 5 years after that for the exact same position.

What I really found interesting was the 2% ratio of tries scored by inside centres compared to all other positions..... I wouldn't have thought it was that low.