Stormers exit and…

I don't rate DDA now at all, and I have said that for a while now already, but that is just my own personal opinion on this topic.

I again decided to ask ChatGPT who the most dominant number 12 has been since 2014, and the reason I asked ChatGPT, is because I think it's best to take the emotion out of it, and ask a possible or potentially non-biased source.

I asked..... "Since 2014 who has been the most dominant number 12 in international rugby"

ChatGPT replied:

Since 2014, the most dominant number 12 in international rugby has been Owen Farrell of England. Here’s an analysis of his and other key players' impact in the number 12 position:

Owen Farrell (England)

• Versatility: Although he often plays fly-half, Farrell has been crucial at inside centre, providing a second playmaking option.
• Leadership: As England's captain from 2018 to 2023, he led the team to significant achievements, including a Six Nations Grand Slam in 2016 and a runner-up finish in the 2019 Rugby World Cup.
• Skills: Known for his tactical kicking, solid defense, and goal-kicking prowess.
• Consistency: Over the years, Farrell has consistently performed at a high level, making him indispensable to the English team.

Other Contenders

• Physicality: Known for his powerful running and defensive solidity, De Allende has been a cornerstone of the Springboks’ midfield.
• Achievements: Key player in South Africa’s 2019 Rugby World Cup-winning team, and consistently strong performances in the Rugby Championship and British & Irish Lions series.
• Impact: Vital in breaking defensive lines and creating space for his teammates.

• Career Span: Though his peak was earlier, Nonu remained influential until his international retirement after the 2015 World Cup.
• Attributes: Renowned for his combination of power, speed, and playmaking abilities.
• Legacy: Played a crucial role in New Zealand's 2015 World Cup win, cementing his status as one of the all-time greats.

• Aggression: Known for his aggressive ball-carrying and offloading ability.
• Versatility: Capable of playing both 12 and 13, adding dynamism to Australia’s backline.
• Development: Has developed into a key leader and offensive threat for the Wallabies.

• Consistency: A solid presence in the Irish midfield, contributing to their Six Nations successes.
• Defensive Prowess: Strong tackler and disruptive force in the defensive line.
• Cohesion: Integral to the team’s tactical setup, especially in phases of structured play.

Conclusion

While other players like Damian de Allende and Ma’a Nonu have had significant impacts, Owen Farrell’s combination of leadership, tactical acumen, and consistent high-level performance makes him the most dominant number 12 in international rugby since 2014. His influence extends beyond his playing skills to his role as a leader and playmaker in crucial matches.

Oh well, that was a shock !! 

"Maybe Moz can confirm if these stats hold any water..... I know that's his speciality"

LMAO!

Based on the laughable tripe that Moffie comes up with when he attempts to interpret a statistic, I'd say he's the least qualified person on this board (after ou Maaik which should go without saying) to comment on anyone else's statistical conclusions.

If that's the Merkel/Moffie/Mavis complex's speciality then I'd hate to see its weakness.

But hey, DumbAss, if you can't spot Moffie's bullshit by now then you probably can't spot Bozo's bullshit either . . . oh . . . hang on . . .

I'm no DDA fan but I reckon if I had to choose between him and Owen Farrell, I'd take him every day of the week.

This chart shows the number of tries scored by rugby position in the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

So what do we conclude….inside center is the lowest try scoring position in the backline, ranking 8 out of 15. It would be interesting to see try creating stats as well. One would imagine this would be higher. But not for Dud….can anybody remember him actually creating a try for another player. I can’t.

And the comparison between Dud and his main contemporaries which I provided above confirms….he simply doesn’t score tries. For no more esoteric a reason than he isn’t alert to opportunities.

This lack of awareness affects his attacking play where he often lags the movement….and his defensive play. Has anybody ever seen Dud shoot up to make a spot tackle when an overlap is threatening.

He simply doesn’t see the field.

"But hey, DumbAss, if you can't spot Moffie's bullshit by now then you probably can't spot Bozo's bullshit either . . . oh . . . hang on . . ."

Unlike you Piss Mint.... who always makes every single thing very personal and ugly....and drags any conversation down to gutter level..... I can at l east put any personal differences aside and actually acknowledge someone's specific expertise in any field, including you..... 

"I can at least put any personal differences aside and actually acknowledge someone's specific expertise in any field, including you..... "

Spare me the judgmental and self-righteous lecture, Dumbass, I'm not joking. 

I think Moffie is the worst user of statistics on this board. Of course I think he's a pompous ass and a shameless braggart, that's not why I think he's useless with statistics. It's because he's a biased fool whenever it comes to any kind of statistic.

So let’s compare….

I did Advanced statistics for my PhD from a leading business school, got an A grade. 

Did the optimization sequence for the same degree, including advanced calculus needed in advanced stats, got an A for all three courses, as I did for every other course….the only student to do so.

Used statistics extensively in my PhD thesis

Used statistics to direct billions of dollars of capital investment as a management consultant for major US companies

Taught Fortran programming to MBA students at the same institution

……

Every word of that is true. I reveal this only because of what you wrote not because I wanted to after all this time. Now tell us about your statistical credentials

A very sad case indeed Moz

As much as I would credit Piss Mint for anything IT related, which I would 100% do..... I credited you with your stats, given your vast knowledge and experience in this specialized field.

You see, specifically with Piss Mint, it seems that one cannot even compliment someone on this forum anymore, with what they do or have done in their lives and career, because with him, the personal issues always rise to the top of the conversation and take preference in the discussion.... every single time.

It really is quite obvious to most posters over all these years, that Piss Mint's overriding desire to drag things to gutter level and make things ugly and very personal with so many people on this forum, always overrides any possible minute urge to be civil or polite.

The Servile Gimps can rally around their Massster and snap and snarl all they like, doesn't change the fact that Moffie used try-scoring as an absolute measure of an inside centre's worth and continues to panelbeat stats to discredit Pieter-Steph du Toit at every opportunity.

In both cases, we're talking about someone who either knows very little about rugby or very little about statistics . . . in Moffie's case, probably both.

I repeat . . . based on his many stupid and biased concluions reached using statistics that have little relevance, little bearing or little context . . . Moffie is the poster on this board (after Ou Maaik of course) with the least understanding of stats and how to apply them.

I realise what I'm saying here will make grovelling little suck-ups like DumbAss and ButtPlug burst into tears all over again and start shrieking about naughty old Rooinek being so mean again . . . but it doesn't change the fact that Moffie wouldn't know a relevant stat if it slapped him through his stupid fat face.

DumbAss made the point about Moffie's laughable interpretation and basically admitted that using tries scored as the sole basis for rating an inside centre is stupid . . . but he's not man enough to stand up to his Masster and argue his case . . . he'd rather just drop to his knees and assume the position than actually point out Moffie's ignorance and incompetence.

LMAO!

Point out where I said try scoring was the sole or even first measure of an inside center’s performance…..go ahead quote me. 

Wehe . . . at least you recognise the need to distance yourself from your earlier stupidity . . . so now you'll lie, deflect, obfuscate and manipulate . . . as you always do when you get egg all over your stupid fat face . . . which is often!

LMAO!

You can ‘wehe’ until the donkeys come home. If you can’t provide the quote you have just turned a misleading statement into a lie. When did I ever say try scoring was the sole or even the first measure of an inside center’s performance?

What a lot of Kak jantjies never had any investment. He played over 50 test matches and then when he was peaking, threw it away with drugs and porking the dietitian while his wife sits at home with 3 young children. He had it all, great contract in Japan. He was backed by the coaches and pushing Pollard. 

They even rushed him back in, but he just got so full of himself. 

Now he is a disgraced drug cheat that noone wants to touch. 

I feel for Libbok, he is grounded young man, but you can see all over his face that he gets scared. Just like Jantjies, doesn't like contact. Libbok really struggles in the wet. He was great at the start of the world cup when the fields were dry but as soon as the fields got heavier, he folded. Pollard had to rescue him. You don't have to always play fancy rugby. 

I love watching the guy, but in tight games, I won't select him 

Ja, Elton was brilliant for the Lions and had some good games for the Boks, but the top end is where he fell off. That stuff on the flight from Dubai was disgraceful.

...to be fair though, that physio, I don't know how many kids I'd have to have to say no to her.

Dunno why we always have such small 10s though, from Bosch to Lambi and Manie. Can we just have one solid replacement for Pollard please? Honestly, I wouldn't mind Willemse at 10 (Brenda Fassi at 15) but we need a placekicker.

I'm betting on Hendrikse for now. He's 186cm, generally solid and looks like he can stick to a gameplan while adding just enough flair. Would like to see him at 85-87kgs though.

Hi Denise

Did you was those panties?

I hope so....we all do.

"DumbAss made the point about Moffie's laughable interpretation and basically admitted that using tries scored as the sole basis for rating an inside centre is stupid . . . but he's not man enough to stand up to his Masster and argue his case . . . he'd rather just drop to his knees and assume the position than actually point out Moffie's ignorance and incompetence."

There is nothing to stand up to you stupid moron

I was disputing what Dave said about how the game has changed in the last 5 years compared to the 5 years before that, which he kept alluding to, and if that called into question anything Moz said, then so be it.... man you are fixated hey.

I often disagree with Moz, and in your typical fashion, I once compliment him on something that he actually specializes in, and you see it as something else...... what a twat you really are.

Morne Steyn scored more points with his boot for the Springboks than Elton or Manie.

The point is rugby is a game played to win and irrespective of how the points are earned during the game the team with the most points on the scorecoard at the final whistle is the winner.

Would be interesting to know the individual point count for the three players mentioned in Tests for the Boks.

Glasgow's victory vs Munster kinda put the Stormers match in Scotland in another perspective. 

No….the perspective was Manie missed every kick. Simples.