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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Feb 2020, 20:49
#1
15 Feb 2020, 20:49#1
Good game in the end for the most, I expected the Stormers to be more convincing but I guess beating the Lions at home is never easy How bloody quick is Dayimani geez he has some serious pace
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,237 posts
15 Feb 2020, 20:54
#2
15 Feb 2020, 20:54#2
Good start to the competition for the Stormers. 3 out of 3, including winning their first away game. In recent years the Stormers have been good in Capetown, but terrible in away games. The Stormers coach John Dobson is certainly an upgrade from Robbie Fleck 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Feb 2020, 20:56
#3
15 Feb 2020, 20:56#3
Yeah agreed on Dobson vs Fleck
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,237 posts
15 Feb 2020, 21:03
#4
15 Feb 2020, 21:03#4
Pote Subhuman is the worst SA coach. The Bulls will be a points cow for overseas teams, whereas the Lions will put up a fight overseas, and certainly win some key home games against overseas opposition. 
The Sharks and the Stormers are the only realistic finalists.  The Sharks backs vs the Stormers forwards should be good local derbies. 


SE
SebPro2,680 posts
15 Feb 2020, 21:06
#5
15 Feb 2020, 21:06#5

It was indeed a good game, one of the best finishes Ive seen for a long time.

Most of us have been critical of Elton Jantjies including myself but he certainly seems to have talent when he plays with confidence. Maybe appointing him as captain has led to that.

Maybe that's what he needed most of all.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Feb 2020, 07:41
#6
16 Feb 2020, 07:41#6

Jantjies had a very good game.


The Stormers had the game in the bag and then blew it. Lions did well to force their way back into the lead...just to be robbed of their victory in the end. I would like to see a different angle of thay Du Plessis pass. It looked forward to me...and another look at the first Lions try...



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Feb 2020, 09:14
#7
16 Feb 2020, 09:14#7

Yep, Saffex.

Fastest player in SA rugby.

Dayimani is Bolt like in that he doesn't seem to moving fast when he's actually flying. 

Absolute idiocy to have him in the forwards.

If he ever gonna compete with our embarrassment of loose forward talent? Never in a million years. 


SE
SebPro2,680 posts
16 Feb 2020, 09:54
#8
16 Feb 2020, 09:54#8

PS Maaik, even the "Bone Collector" was in business again, when he came on the Lions surged ahead, dare I say the word Alberts, did not play like a Hasbeen....

Saffex , Kitshoff is a rock of Gibraltar, heck that young man plays, well scrums well and is a good leader.

Dear old Jannie dropped the ball again, but it was a really bad pass, in fact it was impossible to take.

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
16 Feb 2020, 10:14
#9
16 Feb 2020, 10:14#9

Saffex our old Zulu groundsman at my old school Kwela used to tell Skonk Nicholson our 1st and 2nd team coach that he must always put a man with RED HAIR in the side. When Skonk asked why, he told him because it brings FIRE to the side. Actually we did have a candidate a guy from Empangeni called Anthony (Boozy) Balmer who incidentally later proved a good choice, we never lost a game when he played and he later made Natal Schools side. He was called "Boozy"because of the redness because obviously we never took alcohol at school.

But Zwela was spot-on. Kitshoff therefore has this too in our favour...lol.

Whether it was a Zulu superstition I don't think so, he was a lovely dignified man and had a unique sense of humour, so did our coach and Balmer was a worthy player.

Those little snippets of old humour are delightful and unfortunately rare today. I could write a short book on Kwela alone, they don't come like that today.

Kitshoff too is stand out, cannot think of any other rugby players except Hayden Morgan of Wales who nobody remembers today, but other sports, Shaun Pollock and Boris Becker come to mind.I've found red hair in every nation, you get it every where except Asian or African people.

Lots in Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Germany, Scandinavia, even Russian. But that's a subject on it's own.

From experience I've found RED HEADS quite fiery in both men and woman and maybe there is some truth in what Kwela said.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Feb 2020, 12:16
#10
16 Feb 2020, 12:16#10

The fact is that I watched Alberts  and Du Plessis carefully during the match - as well as Jame Roberts of the Stormers,  so here goes:-

*  Alberts was on for 24 minutes and made a few ball carries - frequently tackled backwards.   He may have made a tackle or two - but nothing I noted at all.   No great investment,  Alberts came in as a lock replacement  - a loosie he is definitely not. 

*   Jannie du Plessis was firm in three scrums and thereafter he and his partner gave away numerous penalties.   He is still poor in defense.   

*    Jamie Roberts was a dead loss - poor ball skills, poor cr ashballing and poor defense,  Anybody for buying a one way ticket back to Wales asap?    

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
16 Feb 2020, 12:33
#11
16 Feb 2020, 12:33#11

Mike I was only spurring you, we must have more red heads and Jewish boys in our sides and then all problems of winning will be solved.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2020, 13:13
#12
16 Feb 2020, 13:13#12
Nice one Seb Plum, the Lions did try Dayimani at centre in a few B side games last season - I’m guessing it did not work out He is not physical enough to be an 8
SE
SebPro2,680 posts
16 Feb 2020, 13:34
#13
16 Feb 2020, 13:34#13

Oh yes another was the past Irish captain...Paul O'Connell and I remember one or 2 in the Rebels and Hurricane sides a few years ago. They are not that common, Ireland got a few in club sides.

They seem to make good strong leaders, as Kitshoff, O'Connell and Shaun Pollock all have these qualities. There is no doubt fire in them...many a true word said in jest!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Feb 2020, 14:19
#14
16 Feb 2020, 14:19#14

Agree, Saffex.

He is not a forward. 

But he does have pace, good hands, reasonable game sense and an eye for getting forward.

Swys was convinced that he had all the attributes of a centre but from what I read, it's Dayimani himself that doesn't want to play in the backs. Says he feels he has more advantage(pace) over slower forwards. 

Quite silly, since every back had that advantage over most forwards. It means zero if you can't contain you opposite forwards. 

Not sure what him and his agent agent are smoking.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2020, 15:27
#15
16 Feb 2020, 15:27#15
Yeah he should work on playing 13 If he wants to be a forward he will need to bulk up
SE
SebPro2,680 posts
16 Feb 2020, 16:51
#16
16 Feb 2020, 16:51#16

Well what we can conclude after all is said and done is that Lions are not as bad as we a week or 2 week ago stated, is that not so.?

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
16 Feb 2020, 16:52
#17
16 Feb 2020, 16:52#17

Well what we can conclude after all is said and done is that Lions are not as bad as we a week or 2 week ago stated, is that not so.

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
16 Feb 2020, 17:51
#18
16 Feb 2020, 17:51#18
He'd make a better 12 than a 13, he'd get found out defensively. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2020, 18:56
#19
16 Feb 2020, 18:56#19
Wrong he would make a better 13 than 12 as 12 requires a greater understanding of both attacking and defensive nuances, something that comes with having played there for some time. A 12 initiates attacks and organises the defence. Dayimani’s speed would suit a finishing role not a creative role. Creativity from 12 is a real art, not the role for a converted forward
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
16 Feb 2020, 19:25
#20
16 Feb 2020, 19:25#20
Those aren't roles confined to 12's, that's more just a very general description of what inside backs are responsible for. 
Creativity is only essential if the team employs a dual pivot in the England mould with Ford/Farrell. If inside center was so nuanced then Sam Burgess would not have had a sniff there, when not using the dual pivot then inside centers tend to favour their physicality and athleticism over creativity.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2020, 21:13
#21
16 Feb 2020, 21:13#21
Oh what utter shit it’s the responsibility of 10 and more so 12 to be creative. Sure there will be times the 12 is required to set up another phase with a view to creating an opportunity to be creative. Burgess was tried and failed at 12 because they adopted your take on a forward being employed at 12 much like Dayimani would You prove my point
SE
SebPro2,680 posts
17 Feb 2020, 10:45
#22
17 Feb 2020, 10:45#22

Dayimani is about +30 lbs lighter than Marcell Coetzee.  He was always a flank from school days at Jeppe  He is very young and will most probably put on more weight in the years to come. I'm against shifting players into different positions (with a few exceptions) into different structures.

On the other hand you might have a strong point. But the other question is does he have a desire to play there?

It can and must be tested.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Feb 2020, 11:06
#23
17 Feb 2020, 11:06#23

Seb, 

His pace fits nicely into a rushing defensive structure too.

If he were at 12 or 13, I could seem him consistently denying opposition that extra meter of space. 

For me, there is no point picking a player for speed but then not maximising his time with the ball in hand. 

Stick him at 13. Give him enough space to run from slightly deeper at full pace or chase down up and unders. That's where I think you'll get maximum returns from him. He's mostly the quickest guy on the park. Meaning, if he breaks the line, it's likely he'll go all the way. Perhaps that's why he always appears to draw tw o defenders, unlike slower centres that can be run down if they manage to get through. That's a sizeable bonus.



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