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bluebokPro3,977 posts
01 Sept 2016, 17:25
#1
01 Sept 2016, 17:25#1
News 24 is reporting that Strauss will retire at the end of 2016. Didn't see that coming!
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Sept 2016, 17:26
#2
01 Sept 2016, 17:26#2
 So why keep him as captain?
He's not an investment ... but rather a waste of time.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
01 Sept 2016, 17:41
#3
01 Sept 2016, 17:41#3
Yep, send him on his way. If the coach needed an excuse, now he has one. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Sept 2016, 17:59
#4
01 Sept 2016, 17:59#4
 Maybe he's retiring because of an injury he's carrying? That would explain why his performance has been poor this year.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,265 posts
01 Sept 2016, 19:24
#5
01 Sept 2016, 19:24#5
He is not the player he once was. At one time he was pushing Bismaark for the 1st and 2nd best hooker in the world. 
We need a captain that leads from the front and is assured of his position. If Schalk was available- he would have been a better short-term solution. 
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
01 Sept 2016, 19:28
#6
01 Sept 2016, 19:28#6

Adriaan Strauss will retire from test rugby at the end of the 2016 season.

Strauss, who became the 57th Springbok captain against Ireland in June, said he had been contemplating retirement at the end of the season since late in 2015, and that he had informed Springbok coach Allister Coetzee of his thinking on his appointment earlier this year.

“When Coach Allister approached me to lead the team, I was both humbled and honoured,” Strauss said. “The plan was for me to serve and lead a team in transition as well as I can and take things week by week, but back then I already told him that I was thinking of retiring at the end of the season.

“I’ve always accepted the pressure and the challenge of playing for and captaining the Springboks, I feel it’s the right time to let my team-mates and our supporters know of the decision I made, with a greater plan in mind.”

Coetzee lauded Strauss for the role he is playing in empowering a new generation of Springbok players and developing a new team culture.

“I’ve known since day one that Adriaan was planning to retire at the end of 2016, but he is a vital component in our team and his role has been part of our succession planning in any case,” said Coetzee.

“He is a magnificent servant of the game in South Africa and doesn’t always get the credit he deserves. At a time when most players of his generation decided to move abroad, Adriaan chose to remain here, ploughing back into the game.

“Adriaan has captained the team with great courage in the past few months, often rallying the players on the field when real leadership was needed. He has also led by example during the week leading up to our tests – none of which the public sees.

“I’ve come to know Adriaan as a player who only wants what is best for the team, so he will help the younger players and leaders come through the system, knowing they will need to get game time and exposure at test level.”

Strauss said he had been stimulated by the challenge of being actively involved as captain at the start of a new era in Springbok rugby.

“I knew my role was going to extend beyond what happens on the field on a Saturday and that we were starting a building process of something special with a new group of players, many of whom will become Springbok greats,” he said.

“This is a young team and I’ve been honoured to work with a very talented group of players and leaders in establishing a new team culture. I believe the time is right to start giving more opportunities to this new generation and I’m happy to be used in any way the coach sees fit.

“It has never been about me. My point of view was always to do what is best for the team and I believe I’ve succeeded in making a contribution to the Springboks and South African rugby, which were two major reasons for me to retire.

“Every older player has this voice in the back of his head that he’d like to retire on his own terms, and I believe that is what I am doing.

“I’m very grateful for my Springbok career and to all coaches and team-mates who have played a role in my development as a player and as a human being. The last few months have been especially enjoyable, as well as massively challenging. My decision make it official is so that the coach and his management staff will have sufficient time to do their succession planning.

“The Springboks are lucky to have a massively passionate base of supporters, who are very critical of many aspects of the game. I would like to urge them to keep the faith and remain positive, because we’re on an exciting journey and this team will keep on working as hard as possible to make our supporters proud.”

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2016, 19:37
#7
01 Sept 2016, 19:37#7
 Why keep Strauss in the team knowing he will retire at the end of this year when he factually is not performing up to standard?   This is another example  of Coetzee idiocy.    
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Sept 2016, 20:51
#8
01 Sept 2016, 20:51#8
 I call BS. This is a way to take some pressure off him. If he turns his game around, they can always "convince him to stay on a bit longer", if not, he retires from international rugby "honourably", without being pushed.
Sorry for being such a cynic. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2016, 21:16
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01 Sept 2016, 21:16#9
 Strauss is a decent man, who was close to being the best hooker in the world 4 years ago.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Sept 2016, 00:35
#10
02 Sept 2016, 00:35#10
Most of us criticized his appointment, but when I consider the alternatives there's no one in the current squad that looks remotely like a suitable replacement .

Lil wonder Strauss got the job .
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
02 Sept 2016, 03:18
#11
02 Sept 2016, 03:18#11
At the time of his appointment, there was no other, not sure there is one now!As everyone agrees he is a shadow of his previous best. I'm sure Adriaan is a great guy but unfortunately he'll be remembered for his well below average form of late, sad really. 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Sept 2016, 04:09
#12
02 Sept 2016, 04:09#12
 Its something about the Bulle ............. players head there & it all goes phtttttt pap .


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2016, 04:41
#13
02 Sept 2016, 04:41#13
Mozart - an amazing admission,   player performances weaken over time or is that just the exception to the Mo zart rule. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2016, 05:34
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02 Sept 2016, 05:34#14
f(X)=-( X squared)/12+10, where f(x) is the performance function, X equals zero at the player's peak. Which of course means peak performance is a perfect 10 and performance 6 years from  the peak is a 7....as a younger player and an older player
So df/dx=0 and X=0 at the players peak. And df/dx is positive before X=0 and negative thereafter as anyone would rationally expect.
But when is X=0, that's the question. My guess is:
Outside backs 27
Half backs 28
Front row forwards 30 
Locks 30
Loosies 27
Which would give you an average of about 28.5 years, which is totally consistent with WC winners. All this and the little formula assume we are dealing with a normal probability distribution, but I'd be willing to concede it's skewed to the left with absolute df/dx lower at X=-1 than X=+1.
Does that help you?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Sept 2016, 06:28
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02 Sept 2016, 06:28#15
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isn3GsBNlSc
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Sept 2016, 08:32
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02 Sept 2016, 08:32#16

You guys really crack me up at times. 
You pick your best side ... uh-duh!!!! ... and from it a captain. If that simple policy was followed Strauss would never have made the squad ... not even a squad of 50.
Bismarck, Marx, Ackers and Marutlulle are all vastly superior hookers.

Strauss is retiring from test match rugby because he knows that he's old and unable to keep up with the younger boys ... the proof is in the pudding. 
His performances over the last two seasons were below standard and deep down inside he knows it. He is fully aware of his short comings and has made the right decision.
An excuse has presented itself now and he can use it to bow out gracefully. It's high time. 
The arrogance of Matfield kept him in a delusional state for most of Meyer's term. 
As for captain ... both Whiteley and Kriel are excellent leaders ... inspirational leaders ... and we also have quality leadership in Lambie and especially Vermeulen. There are other options like Marutlulle and of course Bismarck.
Bringing Schalk back into the mix is just silly. He is past his best and has been since breaking his neck. 


 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Sept 2016, 09:26
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02 Sept 2016, 09:26#17
I'd give Vermeulen the captaincy but on condition that he returns to SA ........ you can't have your captain playing abroad, subject to the whims & fancies of his nutty new owners .

Matfield answered the call ..... he was told, 'your country needs you' .
 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Sept 2016, 09:54
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02 Sept 2016, 09:54#18
One of the reasons we're so crap at the moment is because we are picking Lions players because they're the form team but then we try to get them to play some other kind of rugby. Stop stuffing around, pick the Lions players and let them play Lions rugby.

If that kind of sense ever prevails, the issue of captaincy becomes a no-brainer because Warren Whiteley is the logical choice to execute the game plan with Jaco Kriel as his vice captain.

If our backline "coach" only knows how to play the Kings style of rugby then either replace him with someone from the Lions coaching staff or else let the players coach themselves like they did when we had that clown Pieter de Villiers in charge.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2016, 14:51
#19
02 Sept 2016, 14:51#19
That never worked against the Canes, the Lions were thrashed and the ABs are 20 points better. ....how thick can you get. International rugby is a different game, that penny has never sunk in.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Sept 2016, 15:37
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02 Sept 2016, 15:37#20
 Strau ss is not to be blamed for the debacle. First to blame is the racist anc. next is Coetzee. Then we have a host of issue which could be solved with the will to do so.Strauss has played reasonably well although definitely isn't the form hooker.over the years we saw how well he captained the Cheetahs.
The Lions brand of rugby proved it is superior to what is being played by other Sa Franchises. That much must be clear to all but the bitter enders.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2016, 16:17
#21
02 Sept 2016, 16:17#21
 The penny never sunk in with Mozart - after years of neglect in team building by Meyer Coetzee inherited a situation where h has to start building a team.  Being a proven idiot Coetzee tried to retain as many of Meyer's squad as possible.  However, the squad was weakened by that move, since a number of players so retained flopped badly.   The way to go is to pick the best performing players - and then  provide decent coaching.   I do agree here with CC on the issues raised by him.      
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2016, 18:44
#22
02 Sept 2016, 18:44#22

The following from timeslive on the issue:-

Springbok captain Adriaan Strauss’s announcement Thursday that he would retire from Test rugby at the end of the year does raise legitimate questions about coach Allister Coetzee’s judgment.

Strauss’ retirement was apparently always part of the bigger picture and the coach was fully aware of the situation before naming Strauss as the 57th Bok captain according to a statement from SA Rugby.

There is no evidence to suggest that assertion is untrue‚ but there is reason to question the decision.

Rugby is one of few sports left in the professional era where a team is moulded into the likeness of its on-field leader.

And like all building projects‚ it takes time. Richie McCaw‚ John Smit‚ Martin Johnson and John Eales didn't suddenly become legendary leaders.

Through their skill and will‚ their character and desire‚ in conjunction with coaches with whom they formed strong bonds‚ they forged their teams into an image of themselves.

By knowing that Strauss wasn’t in it for the long haul‚ Coetzee has cost himself a valuable season of building a team around an inspirational commander.

The process will have to start again in 2017 not through circumstance such as a career ending injury‚ but through an apparently conscious decision taken by the coach.

Coetzee said in a carefully worded statement that Strauss had always communicated his intentions to step down at the end of the season and that he had chosen the burly hooker to help transition the team in a year of rebuilding.

But if the coach always knew about Strauss’ intention to retire‚ why was it not put out in the open and communicated then?

How could that have been any worse than making the announcement on the eve of the team’s departure to Australasia?

Timing on this situation would never have been easy‚ but sitting on something like this‚ was always likely to blow up in the team’s face.

Typically New Zealand showed how a similar situation could be well managed when Dan Carter announced that 2015 would be his last as an All Black before last season commenced.

It didn’t affect his performances at all. Perhaps the crucial difference was that he had not just accepted the All Black captaincy?

Strauss is not at fault here. He was offered the Springbok captaincy and he was honoured by the offer – he said as much.

Based on the official account presented this week‚ he did the honourable thing and told the coach of his decision to retire‚ and Coetzee still wanted him.

Strauss’ intentions were no doubt good‚ as were Coetzee’s. But unintentionally‚ it was not in the best interests of Springbok rugby.

'Strauss’ form hasn’t been at his usual high standard this season‚ and unfortunately this issue‚ which might have been worrying him‚ has emerged at a bad time.

Now that it’s public though‚ it could of course liberate the skipper. There is now a line in the sand and there can be no shock revelations about his retirement because the situation has been made public.

Knowing that Strauss was retiring at the end of this season‚ Coetzee should perhaps have been bolder in choosing someone else to lead the team.

Right now it’s difficult to see who else could lead the team‚ but in May Pat Lambie and Duane Vermeulen were fit and neither has indicated that they are giving up on the international game.

Coetzee might also have chosen to go in a completely different direction and backed Warren Whiteley to lead the team from the word go‚ which of course would have meant Vermeulen was not viewed as a definite starter.

Hindsight is of course‚ perfect.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2016, 21:13
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02 Sept 2016, 21:13#23
 Pathetic reasoning....Coetzee has cost himself a season. Okay, so who is this long term Richie McCaw, John Eales....Martin Johnson? Warren Whiteley a player who is at best a late game impact player?
So let's hear it, who should Coetzee have appointed as our 4 year captain? Over to you Tokkie.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2016, 23:24
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02 Sept 2016, 23:24#24
 Mozart - you are indeed the pathetic one.   Which of the players have shown leadership ability and also perform to an acceptable extent.     Only fools select a captain and them the rest of the team.    A competent manager selects the team based on merit and performance and from that team then select a captain based on leadership ability.       However, you will never accept that scenario since in your book teams are selected based on reputation - the older the better - with zero regard to performance.   Th en you try and justify selections by falsified reports om performance during tests,   Bad news that approach.       
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2016, 23:31
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02 Sept 2016, 23:31#25
 The usual hot air.....who is this golden captain candidate? Just the name will do.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Sept 2016, 00:26
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03 Sept 2016, 00:26#26
The name Tokkie....provide the name that Coetzee overlooked.  
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Sept 2016, 07:49
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03 Sept 2016, 07:49#27
 Well said, Mike!! That's Mozart to a T. 
"However, you will never accept that scenario since in your book teams are selected based on reputation - the older the better - with zero regard to performance.   Then you try and justify selections by falsified reports om performance during tests"

He lacks the basic understanding of the sport and tries to cover his ignorance up with a whole lot of bluster. 
Simply put ... the man's a fraud ... 


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Sept 2016, 10:08
#28
03 Sept 2016, 10:08#28
 Mozart - CC s spot on.  You read my post and insist on a name - that is farcical since the name will come up when the proper squad of performing players has been selected.   Are you dumb or something?
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Sept 2016, 10:24
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03 Sept 2016, 10:24#29
 Jean De Villiers never displayed leadership qualities ... he was never the first choice captain of the Stormers ... and no one thought of him as a viable option to captain the Boks. 
Then when he was selected as kapitan we were all surprised to see him take to it like a duck to water. He upped his standard of play for a short while and became a relatively good captain.
Mozart is a bitter old man ... desperate to discredit anything youthful.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Sept 2016, 15:40
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03 Sept 2016, 15:40#30
 Name the captain....go ahead, no point in ranting at me I'm giving you a free shot. Who was this great choice? It's already clear to anybody who knows anything about rugby that Whiteley is not a test starter, let alone a player who will last till 2019.
You planks think you have the answer....share it with us.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Sept 2016, 16:18
#31
03 Sept 2016, 16:18#31
 X
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Sept 2016, 17:28
#32
03 Sept 2016, 17:28#32
 Eben for captain!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Sept 2016, 15:29
#33
04 Sept 2016, 15:29#33
Still haven't seen one credible suggestion for Bok captain to replace Strauss....seen a lot of moaning at Coetzee for not finding that credible replacement.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Sept 2016, 15:46
#34
04 Sept 2016, 15:46#34
 Pollard - once he is back
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Sept 2016, 16:11
#35
04 Sept 2016, 16:11#35
That's no solution to Coetzee's issue this year....no answer at all. In fact it's making a case for selecting Strauss as a place holder.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,265 posts
04 Sept 2016, 20:28
#36
04 Sept 2016, 20:28#36
Vermuelen was the obvious choice, but even he is no longer assured of his place when not injured nowdays.
Only a conservative coach with no long term plan would continue with Strauss
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Sept 2016, 21:40
#37
04 Sept 2016, 21:40#37
So name your captain. We all know Strauss is a flawed choice, especially after seeing his international form. I'm sure Coetzee would have loved to be able to pick an in form, experienced leader......give him the name.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,265 posts
04 Sept 2016, 22:23
#38
04 Sept 2016, 22:23#38
Steph Dutoit might be a wildcard to take over as captain. 
He is in form- he has a combination with Etzebeth for the next world cup. He would probably have a better repertoire than Strauss with the referee.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Sept 2016, 02:34
#39
05 Sept 2016, 02:34#39
Stephanie can't even make the starting team....so far our captain candidates are a player who is injured for the year and a bench warmer. I hope Coetzee's dilemma is a little clearer now....we literally have a team without leaders.
Actually there is only one short term choice other than retaining Strauss. I pointed out a few posts above that Whiteley is a provincial player, who won't make 2019. But our issue is 2016...and  Whiteley is a decent leader, without any better loose forwards we don't give up much by choosing him as captain.

But only for this year, he will become a bigger and bigger liability....and of course if you choose Whiteley Jaco Kriel is a non starter. You can't play two such physically deficient loosies. Although without Strauss we  can play Marx, another reason I would tend to favour the switch.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
05 Sept 2016, 08:17
#40
05 Sept 2016, 08:17#40
 Oh please Mozart ... get a fcuking grip.
Strauss isn't a captain's backside ... and his form at 2 is as shoddy as they come ... and you want to retain him?
What's the matter with you? 
You are behaving like a frigging 5 year old. 
Grow up will ya!!!
Whiteley's contribution on the field is vastly superior to that of Strauss. Whiteley's captaincy is vastly superior to that of Strauss. 
He may not be suitable for the Bok 8 jersey but he is definitely a darn site better than your tired old man.   
You can't see that? ... or is this just another tantrum because we've rejected the tired and useless?  

Honestly ... you need to be put in a home and given 24/7 care.



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