Stunned and Amazed ...

I awoke this morning to find that Rassie's Goats had beaten the English.

A side riddled with quotas .. untried combinations ... players that haven't had game time for most of the season ... and of course the elderly.

I hear that Duane Vermeulen had a cracker ... and De Allende too.

What the hell is the world of rugby coming to when a settled, top tier side like England can't even beat our race based, 2nd stringers?

I see now why the Poms did so poorly in the 6 Nations. 

Must say ... I'm very disappointed. We will now declare ourselves as world beaters, much like we did against the French last year.

What a mess.

I wouldn't say De Allende had a cracker. Let in a try with a weak tackle, made a few crash runs and flipped a nice pass in the lead up to Nkosi's first try. He wasn't bad, but didn't do anything out of the ordinary. Vermeulen was a beast.

And Nkosi on the right wing was superb.

What ,you got a rare sighting of your wee penis ? Did you use both hands to move that enormous hairy gut aside ?

Yes ... I've rated that young talent as something special ... especially when I saw how he neutralized Combrinck.

Very pleased that he had a great game. Hope it's the start of something Habana like.

Pakie ... your comments on whether it would be wise to play Dyantyi at 13 and maybe bring Mapimpi in on the wing?

Am doesn't seem to have had a good outing.

Glad to hear that De Allende exposed himself as the chump we know him as. I hope Esterhuizen gets a crack at the 12 jumper.

I've seen very little of Dyantyi apart from yesterday as I don't watch much super rugby anymore. So I don't think I have enough data to comment on moving him to 13. Am certainly looked out of sorts, but then he didn't impress me the few times I've seen him in S15 either. Has the looks of a journeyman about him. 13 remains a problem. Mapimpi's defense is suspect. But the guys are still young so I'm sure the rough edges can be smoothed. The wings' defensive positioning in particular needs work, England got outside them way too easily, especially in the first quarter before the Boks started settling down.

Pakie

I would rather see a center combination of Esterhuizen at 12 and De Allende at 13 than trying to experiment with Dyantyi at 13.   His tackling compared to Nkosi was problematic.   I think I would bench him and give Mapimpi a chance on the wing.    

DDA is no 13.

Seems like wee cc's misjudged matters.  

Pakie

He played at 13 many times for the Stormers when De Vlliers played at 12.  He also played for the Springboks previously at 13.  in his early d ays in the Sprinbok team - so why can't he do that again?   

Having played there before doesn't mean he is a good choice for the position.

DdA's defence is a bit of a problem at 12, can't see it being worse at 13. 

Well - based on his performances he is a better candidate than the other contenders.   At this stage in Super Rugby he is the top SA center in that comp as well - much better than Esterhuizen in fact..

I do not think Esterhuizen will replace De Allende and I would rather see him coming in and De Allende moved to 13 - that would be the best center combination we have at this stage.

I know De Allende has many detractors on this site - Mozart leading the pack - but I think Erasmus will consider all options until he discovers the best combination to take the team forward to the WC next year and he is likely to consider that one as well..  

Draad 

The story about De Allende being a problem defender was over the years spun by Mozart and Pakie and co.   Yesterday they invented a missed tackle that was not really in evidence.  He in  missed no tackles yesterday and his record in Super 15 this year also indicated a low missed tackle ratio.   .   

In the main he seems this year to increase his successful tackles and I would not reall want to get into a discussion with the detractors on that's core.   , . 

You are the worst liar on site and the comments you come up with now is not what really happened.   First of all you said he missed the tackle.  Go to ESPN and fimnd the missed tackle of De Allende BSter.   Then come back and prove it - I know you constantly lied about what happened in rugby games - this is just another of those .   

The string of lies is endless  - so go ahead another ten can be expected from you.   Your pet hates against Du Toit and De Allende is never-ending and then there are other players Like Thomas du Toit and Kitshof amongst your pet hates.   I can add a few more - but whenever a player is a threat to your aged favourites that campaign start and the lies flow endlessly even if those players are out of circulation.   However, Fat Fransie - the poorest center in the SH since 2012 - is still around and he is why your anti- De Allende campaign is ongoing.     .                 

Go to ESPN and fimnd the missed tackle of De Allende BSter.

The game is not played on a piece of paper, it's played on the field. Not stopping a guy with 7m to go to the tryline is a defensive failure, whether it statisti cally registers as a missed tackle or not.

Pakie

It is normal for some to falsify descriptions of what happened in a game - you are not really in that category.   However, ESPN has never given tackles missed as anything but being correct and there was despite Mozart's barefaced lies in fact not a missed tackle in this case.

So when Pollard missed the tackle on Brown - the only way De Allende could  prevent the try was to go higher and try and dislodged the ball in the process.   He made the tackle - but was unable to dislodge the ball - end of story 

Yes, I just explained to you why it doesn't matter whether that was registered as a statistic or not, but suit yourself.

Scven meters?   That was the distance from the tryline with Pollard's missed tackle - not the De Allende tackle.   That was no more than 3 meters from the time of contact.     

Hello guys, I as most of you were astounded that we actually won. I gave us no chance, and after the opening 12 mins or so was thinking of heading back to bed. I'm glad I didn't. 

I'm not going to repeat what most have said but MIKE! DDA's committed tackle states may look ok, but he is piss weak and lacks the skillset to effectively dominate his opponent. Yes, both Pollard and DDA had their respective contributions to the try in question, however DDA is a serial piss weak defender. Not you nor any other person that walks this earth will change my mind on the evidence so far. 

On a positive n ote. The biggest surprises with regards to their positive performance in the first test where in the following order.

1) Thor - I expected him to be a hanger-on. Boy was I wrong.

2) Snyman - Didn't think he had it. Glad I was wrong.

3) Thought the starting quota hooker was going to be shocking - Very very wrong.

We'll see a very different approach from England in the 2nd.

Ok gents

You can carry on like you want to based on prejudice.   All of you have favourites and pet hates - often enough based on fiction nd provincial prejudice - so one cannot really argue about whether any of us is right or wrong. 

Fact is that we have to see what Erasmus does insofar as the team to be announced on Thursday shapes up.   

Scven meters?   That was the distance from the tryline with Pollard's missed tackle - not the De Allende tackle.   That was no more than 3 meters from the time of contact.    

Here is the moment DDA grabs Brown. You see that white horizontal line in front of them? That is 5m from the tryline. They still h ave about 2m to go before they reach that. Thus more or less 7m.

I shouldn't have to point this out Mike. An honest observer will watch the footage and not try to claim that this happened 3m from the tryline.

Snapshots at an angle does not tell the real story  even  if you may believe otherwise.   There is  the issue of momentum as well - that photo shows when De Allende got to  Brown not when the tackle in fact happened.    

Somebody said that Brown as slowed down by Pollard's tackle attempt - but tht did not happen at all/   tat tackle would only commence about a second later and that would be well inside the five meter line - especially since De Allende was coming from the inside and had to go out to make the tackle.   

Fact is he did not avoid the scoring of a try - unless a player is dead in front of Brown very few players will prevent that try coming horizontally from inside of the field - so the fact that Mozart said he missed the tackle is utter BS,

Fine I know you dislike De Allende - so you are welcome to believe whatever you wish.    

The question is...

What the he'll type of technique is he trying toto use? The old bear hug? The fairy squeeze?

Do we really have Boks who don't understand how to tackle? Or did he choose to tackle with the worst possible technique purposefully?

Pollard at least tries to tackle correctly.

"Fact is he did not avoid the scoring of a try - unless a player is dead in front of Brown very few players will prevent that try coming horizontally from inside of the field - so the fact that Mozart said he missed the tackle is utter BS,"

Lol Mike!

I dunno where you played rugby but bliksim I would have loved to have seen it. Scores must have been into three figures weekly.

Of all the hits you can make the one DomLinda missed was probably one of the easiest there is.

Hitting a slow moving player from side on. The only thing easier is hitting a jogger from behind on a bed of feathers.

I figured it out...

Mike is DDA!

Could all the oaks stop talking BS about Allende who had a fine game. How often doesn't he stop even forwards by his powerful tackling!!! There is zero wrong with his defence.

There are also boneheads here who trash Kriel. Sheer ignorance.

As for Allende at 13 it is a definite possibility. Allende has played on the wing and is able to adapt. His dvstribution has improved and he is now a well rounded center.

Beeno putting the erring oaks right yet again. Sigh!

Sharkbokkie's vivid imagination is also running amok! Hahhahahahaahahaha

that photo shows when De Allende got to  Brown not when the tackle in fact happened.   

So you are contending the photo shows the time of contact, right? And that was your claim, wasn't it?

That was no more than 3 meters from the time of contact.    

The problem with bullshitting Mike, is that before long you have to bullshit your own bullshitting, and that's where it gets too complicated for a brain like yours to keep up.

A simple low tackle would have stopped Brown on the 5m line.

Sure Pakie and doubtless you would, like ou sharkbokkie, have flattened Brown. Allende was in a bad position to make the tackle. Hilarious!

You give you frightful bias away but not saying much about Pollard missing the tackle. Rassie of course wouldn't pick a center who really cant tackle as you are trying to say.

I'm correcting inaccuracies in Mike's claims, Beeno. Everyone has admitted to Pollard missing the initial tackle.

All these spats are so very childest, it's unbelievable that two old coffin dodgers cou vert their inflatuations with male rugby players as if their values of them is a life threatening aspect. Just more than pathetic.

De We t was a hopeless plodder!! Allende twice as good!

Mozart - how much momentum was there dof doos?  You are a pathetic fool when it comes to rugby.  Know nothing about the game and are prejudiced against some players.