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Super 15 - SA Team of the Week

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES294 VIEWS· 15 Feb 2015, 15:01
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2015, 15:01
#1
15 Feb 2015, 15:01#1

The foillowing is mny assessment of performances by  SA players:-


15    Willie le Roux         -   Cheetahs 

14    Ruan Combrinck      -   Lions

13    Francois Venter      -  Cheetahs

12    Damian de Allende  -   Stormers

11    Dillyn Leyds           -   Stormers

10    Pat Lambie            -   Sharks

  9    Cobus Reinach      -    Sharks

  8   Duane Vermeulen   -    Stormers

  7   Pieter Labuschagne -   Bulls

  6   Marcell Coetzee      -   Sharks

  5   Pieter-Steph du Toit -  Sharks

  4   Jacques du Plessis    -  Bulls

  3   Vincent Koch           -  Stortmers

  2   Malcolm Marx           -  Lions

  1   Danie Mienie            -  Cheetahs


There could be arguments about some selections - especially Danie Mienie - but what he did to Jannie du Plessis and afterwards to Matt (Fat) Stevens was ugly - he scrummed them into the ground.        

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Feb 2015, 15:29
#2
15 Feb 2015, 15:29#2
 Far too many Sharks for a side that lost... 
15. Le Roux14. Combrink13. Venter12. De Allende11. Leyds10. Pat Lambie9. Groom8. Vermeulen7. Rhodes6. Cook 5. Du Toit4. Kleyn3. Koch2. Strauss1. Mienie
Honestly wanted to put Hougaard at 11 as Leyds, even though he scored a try, was solid at best whereas Hougaard was probably the Bulls brightest spark.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Feb 2015, 15:45
#3
15 Feb 2015, 15:45#3
 Lambie wasn't the top 10 for the saffas this weekend. Joe Pieterson was better. (and Kat as well IMO)
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2015, 16:23
#4
15 Feb 2015, 16:23#4
 Shezza
In dealing with the above I also take into account the stats of players - since we do not see everything that happens on the field of play - and things like balkl protection and recovery.
Looking at the stats for instance of Labuschagne and Rhodes I would say that Labuschagne - who kept the Bulls forward combination in some form together with Du Plessis was the better loosie:-
Labuschagne0/000/5/925001117/11/010/0
Rhodes0/000/2/924120011/12/010/0
Marginal - but Labuschagne has the edge because of defense and also ball protection and recovery.
I will conceed to you that Cook may have had the edge on Coetzee - but in the case of Marx and Strauss there is very little to choose between the two and I favoured Marx because he was better in ball carries than Strauss.   
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
15 Feb 2015, 16:26
#5
15 Feb 2015, 16:26#5
Some of those selections are way off the mark...

Lambie - Apart from the try Lambie scored he didn't do much in attack or apply any pressure to the Cheetahs, he dropped the ball a few times which was a waste of opportunities especially the one in the last minutes close to the try line. Overall Joe Pieterson was the best SA flyhalf this week followed by Catrakilis. Joe Pieterson controlled the game well and was more composed than Lambie.  

Cobus Reinach - Didn't play to his usual standard, though we know what he can produce when he's at his best but he wasn't at his best this week, he didn't play a  high tempo game that was expected. Nic Groom was more versatile this week overall. 

Lubuschagne - Very far from the best of loose forwards this week, he didn't make as many running metres compared to the others or had a high work rate around the feild.

Venter - Had a decent performance and scored a simple try however he wasn't as strong with ball in hand compared to Mapoe, Lionel Mapoe was more dangerous and attacked the line nicely.

My SA Team of the week based on performances.
15. Cheslin Kolbe
14. Ruan Combrinck
13. Lionel Mapoe
12. Damien De Allende
11. Dillyn Leyds 
10. Joe Pieterson
9. Nic Groom
8. Willie Britz
7. Michael Rhodes
6. Jean Cook
5. Ruan Botha
4. Jacques du Plessis
3. Coenie Oothuizen 
2. Malcolm Marx
1.Steven Kitshoff / Oli Kebble
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Feb 2015, 16:27
#6
15 Feb 2015, 16:27#6
None of the SA 10's were standout, both Lambie and Kat kicked at well but Lambie ran the ball better. Joe missed his a few conversions.
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
15 Feb 2015, 16:32
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15 Feb 2015, 16:32#7
 Ran the ball better? In which minute of the match? 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2015, 16:33
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15 Feb 2015, 16:33#8
 DB Draad
You obviously are entiltled to your opinion, but a player who scored 24 of his teams 29 points - inclusive of a try - will always trump players hwo performed in other respects on par with him.   
Have a look at the styats of the three players involved:-
Catrakilis0/0139/10/3200004/30/010/0
Not much to write home about and his defense was putrid.
Pietersen0/01310/5/638000111/20/000/0
Better in defense than the other two players - but nothing else.
Lambie1/0245/11/126711023/20/000/0
A defense problemn as well - but twice the player than the other two players menti oned.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Feb 2015, 16:36
#9
15 Feb 2015, 16:36#9
 Still Joe's underdog team scored 4 tries against the team everyone is punting to be the conference winners AND in the Sharktank nogal. The 10 is more than just the kicker. Joe did well at 10, especially well for a 15 playing 10. Good move by Naka!

PS Sorry Willie Britz, but Thormeulen is in a class of his own and the best 8 in the game.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Feb 2015, 16:57
#10
15 Feb 2015, 16:57#10
 Joe had very little to do with any of the Cheetahs tries. 
Strauss threw the ball better into the lineout than Marx who began to make mistakes as he tired.
Statistics miss too many contexts for me to take them on board (Yes there are certain stats that you can't ignore). Rhodes was more effective in combining with his teamates and overall was more noticeable.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Feb 2015, 17:00
#11
15 Feb 2015, 17:00#11
 Joe put the cheaters on the front foot. He created momentum and the tries followed.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Feb 2015, 17:02
#12
15 Feb 2015, 17:02#12
 Hardly put them on the front foot, I can remember a few of his kicks going straight to Marais who ran the ball back at us quite effectively, had it been Le Roux (Or any fullback better than SP) on the end of Joe's kicks then the Sharks would've won.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Feb 2015, 17:15
#13
15 Feb 2015, 17:15#13
Nothing perfect, but IMO still better than any of the other 10's on display.
So let me get this straight, you think Bambie was better than Joe?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2015, 17:57
#14
15 Feb 2015, 17:57#14
 Jerome
Which number 7 made more meters than  Labuschagne?   Who took more tackles than he did and force more turnovers?   Sorry byt you are wrong in this case.   Labuscgane was the only forward to kkeep that forward play of the bulls really on track - the others were bloody useless.  If it was not for Labuschagne's defense - he took more tackles than any of the other 7's - the Bulls would have lost by a substantially bigger margin. 
For the rest  I do not think Brits was better than Vermeulen - but you are of course welcome to form your own opinion on the issue.   
As to Mapoe - I left him out of consideration because his defense was poor and let the Hurricanes in to score a try - both he and Mnisi was poor in that case.   Venter's defense was outstanding and he did score a try - so he will easily get the vote of most people.               
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