Superb Jan de Jongh

 KKK I take it you have not worked out what a fool you are making of yourself here....but be sure to keep it up......for I am not going to let go?
Two questions what is Carr and secondly do you hate black players still. You told me you left SA because you hated black people so.  But I'm guessing you revised this stance given you had a home in CT. But last we heard you had sold that house....is that because the whole racist thing took hold again?
Please enlighten me good man!!

 Beenkop go read your bible you idiot

Carr is a player in your D team....which is equivalent to saying he is a  S15 player. Two Coloured players in the top 45... Both in the Bok 23... Not one new Coloured  player in your top 45... Senatla  in the A team, Kolbe in the D team.
Unlike you I am not relying on my own word, I'm relying on your word. You have a problem with prejudice, it's totally obvious. 

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You still trying to dig yourself out of this one Weasel? First time I've actually chuckled out loud whilst reading someones post.

Well Cheezer anything I can do to add to the sense of humour of a drab  little punk like you is a charitable act.

Wehe, and here's Dense yapping on about Rooinek again on a thread where I hadn't even made an appearance. Typical of the gutless little stoepkakker. What a weak-arsed little coward!

Dense, if you managed to get your tongue out of Moffie's arse and actually read the comments on this thread then you'll notice that Arthur John, Shezza and Dave are taking your master to the proverbial cleaners. Moffie is shamelessly playing the race card (again!) and getting his arse handed to him on a plate but the two of you are too stupid to realize it.

LMAO!

 Only trouble is snapster played the race card first because he was loosing the predic tions" Debate".Crash goes ou rooitwit - again. yaaaaawn.

 Denny get your nose from between Weasels arse cheeks, living there for so long has made you devoid of reality.

Lord give me strength, it is quite evident on this board that you've tried to portray this image of Dave being a racist by suggesting that he doesn't support Cape Coloured players for the Boks. First off, Dave has never used that as a criteria to why he picks/doesn't pick Cape Coloured players and secondly he supports Kolbe, Carr, Jantjies, Caylib Oosthuizen, Habana and Skosan. 
But you've overlooked this on purpose to pursue this whole ordeal of Dave being a racist. 
I'm willing to put money on you ignoring this post or you'll try and conjure up a new reason to why Dave is a racist.
Whatever was said between you two when you met will only ever be known be you two but trying to make out another person is racist just because he accuses you of the same is childish and lowly. If you can't handle the personal insults then don't dish them out in the first place, wimp.
Bit Player? Atleast I'm a honest poster.

DBDraad
Apaprently De Allende's mother is a Coloured and it has been reported in media that he is actually regarded as  a coloured person.  An article indicating im as a Coloured also appeared  on the home page of this site.

 Why this thread should turn into a racism accusation scenario beats me hollow.   lets put it plainly - compared to what he normally produces - De Jongh had a good game omn Saturday.
De Jongh as a rule has thee following charactersitics in his performances as a player:-
*   He is a good finisher - provided somebody else creates space for him to operate in.*   He cannot create space for himself and tends to be very pedestrin in such cases*   He has serious problems in defense and is beaten easily by most attackers.
De Jongh was selected in 2012 to play in three tests.   In the first test he came off the bench against the Aussies and the first attacking move ended very near to a try - De Jongh managed to fluff the whole attack and there was an opposition throw-in scrum on the five meter line..   That was followed by two tests against Scotland and England.   In both tests he went AWOL and was virtually nowhere to be seen.   What is clear was that he is not an international center calibre player.  That resulted in him being ommitted from Springbok selection in 2013 and  his contract with SARU not being renewed.
Insofar as his record in Super 15 is concerned - he managed to score 3 tries in total in 2011 and 2012 in Super 15 - the 2012 brace being in the game against the Rebels.   There were serious defense problems coming to the fore.   In 2013 he became a serious defen sive liability with a 23,3% missed tackle ratio - that leaves out players runnng past him when no tackles were attempted.    This year that statistic was even worse and in some games he lost it completely.   
So what is the real situation.   De Jongh can under some circumstances and against some teams look a good all-round center on CC level - even though he lacks consistyency on that level as well.   On  Super Rugby level - he is more of a liability than an asset.  He is not even remotely suitable to play on international level.   
That being said - I do give him credit for his performance  on Saturday - but he was not consistent in performances this year on CC level as well.  A reasonably good CC level center - but seriously questionable on higher level.

 Mike, I stand corrected, but the sad part is that it should not actually be an issue in the first place. AA is creating a stale environment in our sport. He should be a rugby player first.

 DbDraad
This is the problem with discussing the merits of a player like De Jongh - any criticism of him is always countered by his supporters as the criticizer being racist.   It happens inthe case of other players as well - so I suppose those without factual arguments  will always become personal and make rasim out as a reason for cirticism.   It really is sick - but Mozart made me out to be racist before - so I can understand his line of thinking.  
  

 These are not facts, what is a fact is that De Jong is not a good player both factually and contextually yet you're accusing someone of being racist just because they don't share the same deluded opinion as you. 
What part of him supporting Carr, Kolbe, Caylib Oosthuizen, Jantjies and Habana don't you get? So you've created this fact that he doesn't support Cape Coloured's because of the premise of his lack of support for De Jong and Aplon. Self explanatory. 

 Mike, IMHO everybody is racist in some way or another. The degrees vary. What our powers that be are doing with their quotas is emphesising the problem. The only way to combat it is knowledge. We don't know eachother and we let other people tell us what is right and wrong. I say stuff that. Someone crying racist is probably standing in that closet himself. I am fed up with it.

 Those who don't refer De Jongh, Carr and Kolbe as quality players that are on form either didn't watch the recent performances or is a pathetic racist, point blank. Its mind boggling and certainly true.