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Beeno1
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17 Mar 2015, 21:13
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17 Mar 2015, 21:13#1

Is it a delayed reaction to being very nearly flattened by old man Botha or possibly Allende flattened sunny too hard i a tackle? I leave the answer to you to decide.

I do of course hope sunny's head clears and he is okay. We saffas do get a bit too rough on the kiwis at times!


Ex Sport 24


Cape Town - Chiefs centre Sonny Bill Williams has been suffering from headaches and looks unlikely to feature in their Super Rugby clash against the Sharks in Durban on Saturday.

Williams clashed heads with Stormers prop Vincent Koch in the 17th minute of their match at Newlands last weekend, but was cleared to continue playing after undergoing a concussion test. (Okay so Allende's tackles just compounded matters. Not wise to bump heads with Koch! We trust sunny has learnt his lesson!)

Since the match, however, Williams has failed to recover from the knock and has complained of headaches, the Stuff.co.nz website reports.

"He hasn't recovered as quickly as we would have liked," Chiefs assistant coach Tom Coventry said.

"He's had a few headaches, and he's under a bit of a selection cloud."

Coventry said Williams is yet to begin the concussion protocol, and if he doesn't recover in the next day he will not be able to face the Sharks.

The Chiefs will also be without Tim Nanai-Williams, after the backline player was sent home with a broken finger, while prop Pauliasi Manu is struggling with a rib injury.

Marty McKenzie has been drafted in as cover for the departed Nanai-Williams, while a decision will be made on Manu later this week.

Saturday's clash at Kings Park kicks off at 19:10.


I do hope sunny is okay and its nothing serious. 


The Stormers without some key big forwards and even though fielding a micro light backline were tough on the wee chieifes.

Fortunately for them they caught the Mighty Stormers at an inopportune time and with a coach who has no clue. - think microlight backline and no Kebble in match squad and Burger not starting etc etc.



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17 Mar 2015, 21:56
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17 Mar 2015, 21:56#2
Clearly SBW was not right after that head butt tackle by Koch but still the wee de Allende could do nothing of note in the second half 
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17 Mar 2015, 22:27
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17 Mar 2015, 22:27#3
 Mr. Been,

"they caught the Mighty Stormers at an inopportune time and with a coach who has no clue. - think microlight backline and no Kebble in match squad and Burger not starting etc etc." ..................................
.........excuses,............excuses,..........excuses
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17 Mar 2015, 23:15
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17 Mar 2015, 23:15#4
 Beeno excels in the excuse category, he has pre-game, during game & post-game excuses,  He even has post-season, post-year and post-era excuses. 
Yes, Beeno is no1 in this & hence his name is Beeno1 He is not so strong in the reality department however but all kiwis & many of his fellow country men are trying to correct this wee fault.
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17 Mar 2015, 23:29
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17 Mar 2015, 23:29#5
JW
Sorry to differ from you here.  
 The problem in the second half was  not De Allende's - he played the fool with Williams in the first half already.   For some reason or another - the ball rarely went to De Allende in the second half.
Whether you AB supporters like it or not - De Allende on the day was a much better player than Williams.   
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17 Mar 2015, 23:45
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17 Mar 2015, 23:45#6
 Can't say I noticed that but I will watch the game for the third time and see. He should have excelled as he was playing against a semi conscious opponent. 
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17 Mar 2015, 23:51
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17 Mar 2015, 23:51#7
 Jw 
He went past Williams twice before the head story happened.   All the stats of all our fantasy sites also indicated a much better game for De Allende than Williams.
I think personally Williams would like to forget about this game as well - he did not exactly cover himself in glory during the game. 
Williams probably suffer from nightmares featuring De Allende as well.    

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17 Mar 2015, 23:55
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17 Mar 2015, 23:55#8
 They will meet again, surely wee de Alende is not concerned
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17 Mar 2015, 23:59
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17 Mar 2015, 23:59#9
This is all a complete myth of course. All SBW yielded to de Allende was a slight hesitation to cover the inside step on turnover ball. As for the hit by Koch it was dangerous, very similar to the tackling style of Owen Franks....that head butt tackle is much worse than 99% of the high tackles you will see.
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18 Mar 2015, 06:45
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18 Mar 2015, 06:45#10
 I have to agree with Moz on this one on both counts (so to speak). 
The head butt tackle should be looked at as a form of dangerous play. 
De Allende is such a relief to most SA fans that they are exaggerating his potential. There is such a paucity of talent in the outside backs it is understandable but nevertheless it must be noted.
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18 Mar 2015, 08:32
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18 Mar 2015, 08:32#11
Lets get another Mozart myth/lie straight.  Here is De Allende's attacking stats:-
de Allende0/100/5/53823


 De Allende made two line breaks beating 3 defenders.  The case the dimwit referred to above - was when De Allende beat Williams without Williams making any attempt to tackle him.  Where did the other line break and breaking of three tackles come from dimwit?
We must always know what to expect from the village idiot Mozart.  He in a previous post tried to discredit De Allende and praise Steyn to high heaven - so we know that his latest lie is again an effort to discredit De Allende - a despicably poor effort at that - but what else can we expect from this nut case?
 
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18 Mar 2015, 13:34
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18 Mar 2015, 13:34#12
 Allende was excellent as all agreed.Can I help it if delusional kbbs dont like reality. Noooooo
Beeno continuing to talk reality to delusional kbbs regardless! 



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18 Mar 2015, 13:56
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18 Mar 2015, 13:56#13
 Beeno
We know what to expect from the kiwi supporters - but in this case they are supported by Mozart and that is where he was totally wrong.  After the match he was disparaging about De Allende and praising Steyn and his BS came to the fore in this threat as well.
This lack of objectivity is what irks me most and then making false statements as he did in this case is deplorable.     
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18 Mar 2015, 14:03
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18 Mar 2015, 14:03#14
 Is the good Dr Moz being mislead on certai n matters by cerudunce slagger windpomp! 
We know the kbbs are also great at misleading when dissecting the game. They know the final score and thats about it! 
Hence the confusion that reigns here so often.
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18 Mar 2015, 18:37
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18 Mar 2015, 18:37#15
CWilliams0/000/8/11300143 4/00/010/0

 

 

Moronic if you look at those stats you will see SBW missed no tackle. De Allende had a fine game on attack, a s you point out. But let me give the full stats you so dishonestly left out:

 

de Allende0/100/5/5382311 7/40/000/0

 

 

Once again de Allende missed 36% of his tackles.

 

I have no doubt SBW wasn't at his best after that heavy clash with Koch, but de Allende certainly never showed him up. The one move where van Wyk wasn't fast enough to score came from an SBW hesitation.....no more that that.

 

Try to be more truthful, there's a good old codger.

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18 Mar 2015, 19:05
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18 Mar 2015, 19:05#16
 Mozart
Three of the tackles missed by De Allende was when other players missed their tackles and De Allende tried to make cover tackles - one was when the Chief's' player was already over the tryline.  
You still did not answer about the line breaks and defenders beaten - so we must accept that you were the only  idiot qho try and cover u,p for your dislike of De Allende.   By the way who did not bubble under in the TOW selections made after round 5?  
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18 Mar 2015, 19:15
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18 Mar 2015, 19:15#17

 It's just a pity you tried to hide the truth. Your editing of the player performance line is obvious by it's broken format. Is it so crucial for you to be right that you are willing to be dishonest....that's how it appears:

 

de Allende0/100/5/5382311 7/40/000/0

 

 

vs the edited version with the defence stats edited out

 

 

de Allende0/100/5/53823
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18 Mar 2015, 19:30
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18 Mar 2015, 19:30#18
 Mozart
I was not dishonest - I referred to his attacking play and not anything else - hence the above quote - if you read what I said before the quote you would not have come up with this baloney.
Look - you alone tried to discredit De Allende on the basis that he missed tackles - but then you got lost because you did not analyse the tackles he did miss and found out why and how he missed them.
I am satisfied that my assessment is correct in this case - more so because virtually everybody else and all databases I consulted support my point of view.   If you do not want to believe me - see what the NZ Herald said in their assessment of the two players concerned and one would assume they would support the NZ players ahead of anyone else.
You support Francois Steyn as inside center based on an improved performance after De Allende played the fool with him the previous week.   However, what happened as to his missed tackles and how did he fare against a rather average opponent?   So why not discuss the thing in full and come up with anything supporting your case?          


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18 Mar 2015, 19:47
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18 Mar 2015, 19:47#19

 I don't have a case. At this point I think de Allende looks like our best option for 12 or 13 . That doesn't mean that he doesn't have weaknesses in defence. Your attempt to cut out that part of the data was clearly dishonest. If I had a point that would be it, but in your case I have accepted it's the norm.

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18 Mar 2015, 21:01
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18 Mar 2015, 21:01#20
 So it is dishonest if I said the following:-
"Here is De Allende's attacking stats:-
de Allende0/100/5/53823

That is what I concentrated on.  I was reacting to your following statement:-  
"This is all a complete myth of course.  All SBW yielded to de Allende was a slight hesitation to cover the inside step on turnover ball."
That statement did not relate to anything at all other than the attacking issue - and I consequently  used the attacking stats to prove you wrong. 
Caught out again of  diverting attention away from the factual issue under discussion - can't you be honest for a change? 
  
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18 Mar 2015, 21:06
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18 Mar 2015, 21:06#21
"on the day he was much better than Williams" .....but you hide his defensive stats. And you had to make an effort to edit them out, the natural thing was just to present the simple line.
I know what you were doing Moronic. . 
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18 Mar 2015, 21:14
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18 Mar 2015, 21:14#22
 I know you were caught out in your statement as quoted by me - so that is clear as daylight.   I did quote De Allende's full stats elsewhere and did explain in detail three of his missed tackles - but that was not the topic raised by you - it was an effort to demean De Allende's attacking ability that was under discussion in this particular case.  No amount of side-stepping and deviation from the actual discussions will change the issue here - you were caught out badly in this c ase.  
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18 Mar 2015, 21:27
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18 Mar 2015, 21:27#23
Here is a second fiction: " he went past Williams twice" ....match stats Williams 4 tackles made, none missed.
Why do you always lie Moronic.
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19 Mar 2015, 02:04
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19 Mar 2015, 02:04#24
 You cannot credit a player with a tackle attempt if he made none - like Williams did on two occasions - both line breaks happened the same way.  On both occasions the same scenario occurred.  The tackles beaten were of other players than Williams.
So with what other deviation will you come up next?   
   
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19 Mar 2015, 03:51
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19 Mar 2015, 03:51#25
Actually no....you cannot debit a player with a missed tackle if no tackles were missed. Which is consistent with the official stats......your position is consistent with er nothing really.
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19 Mar 2015, 07:17
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19 Mar 2015, 07:17#26
Well, SBW has become the pawn for the latest spat between CleverMike & Mozart. On the substance of the "discussion", SBW had an average game for him as he was basically suffering from a head butt tackle more most of the game. Nevertheless he was instrumental in several tries, ensured players around him had space to gain yards and even score.
SBW will show his caliber through the season and at AB level so no worries there. We will see how De Allende does. He shows potential but early days yet.
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19 Mar 2015, 15:47
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19 Mar 2015, 15:47#27
de Allende did not miss any one on one tackles in that game......those misses provide little context. There is nothing wrong with his defence.......he was definitely better than SBW on the day  
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19 Mar 2015, 16:51
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Mozart
Are you confusing this with verbal diarrhea again.  
"You cannot credit a player with a tackle attempt if he made none - like Williams did on two occasions."
Your reponse  is a joke
"Actually no....you cannot debit a player with a missed tackle if no tackles were missed.  Which is consistent with the official stats......your position is consistent with er nothing really.
Can you really understand the English language at all - or are you just pretending to be idiotic?  I said De Allende went past Williams twice - and the latter made no effort to affect a tackle - meaning ther eis nothing reflected in the stats of Williams.   What is inconsistent in that? What is is that you made a serious error in referring to one instance - when there were in fact two similar incidents and then you started your normal devious attempts to obscure the facts.
Old method of Mozart to cover up his BS by deviating from wh at was discussed previously.  


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19 Mar 2015, 17:27
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19 Mar 2015, 17:27#29
Ou Moronic...if I have to rely on your view of whether a tackle was missed or the official stats....I'll take the stats every time. Hell you don't blame Jordaan for losing the S15 when he was planted under by Reid.....but SBW is responsible for tackles he never even attempted. Get real.  
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19 Mar 2015, 19:26
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19 Mar 2015, 19:26#30
 Hell - back to the incident junk again.  Just tell me - by how many points did the Sharks lose that game?
In two years Jordaan missed two tackles - one let to a try - the other one tow nothing.  F or the rest he had exce;llent tackle stats.   He gets blamed - but other players who missed tackles are forgiven.   Fransie Steyn missed twice as many tackles and there are a long list of tries scored as a result - but that is forgiven and forgotten.
But then again - what has Jordaan's missed tackle to do with the topic under discussion?  I see it as just another smoke screen to cover up for the wild statements about another player you dislike.
Talking about Jordaan the Sharks are hoping to get him back into the center position asap - so that they can at least have a center of substance on the field of play - since Fransie is nothing of the kind.  He should be back within the next two weeks.    
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19 Mar 2015, 20:14
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19 Mar 2015, 20:14#31
 Aag Fok!
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20 Mar 2015, 03:13#32
 Mike, Mozart clearly owns you on this one I have to say.
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20 Mar 2015, 04:07
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20 Mar 2015, 04:07#33
I guess some guys enjoy an a lysing stats on individual players because they have an alytical natures and others don't but tend to rate players overall...you really don't need stats to prove a point...you did not stats to see that Danie Gerber was probably the best centre of all time and rated in the Hall Of Fame by both Martin Johnson and Bill McLaren as the supreme. De Allende and Sonny Bill Williams are different players and both good in their different ways...to compare their abilities by stats only is folly and misleading, but I guess stats do give some insight...you'd didn't need stats to prove Danie Gerber (or Frank Bunce) for that matter was exceptional talent...just watching them in action told the story. I suppose each to his own and Mozart and Mike both enjoy the stat approach...it becomes amusing at times, each accusing each other of manipulation

Don't know why people think Sonny Bill getting a headache from a clash of heads is an issue...afterall he's human and perhaps tougher than most men...perhaps he should quit boxing...at least he stayed...most men would have left the field.


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20 Mar 2015, 07:07
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20 Mar 2015, 07:07#34
 He needed a week off anyway, going from league to boxing and into rugby without much of a break is asking for trouble. All All Blacks have to take some many weeks off so he will start to meet that requirement now.
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