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Team of the series

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 10:37
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09 Aug 2021, 10:37#1
15: Willie le Roux (South Africa) It was a tough old time for the fullbacks with the aerial battle forming such a big part of the war. The accuracy of both teams made it inevitable that some bombs would land and it was Le Roux who emerged as the last man standing after three courageous outings. Few opportunities but made the right decision for a crucial try-assist for Cheslin Kolbe and his left boot came in hand. 14: Cheslin Kolbe (South Africa) The diminutive dynamo didn’t give an inch in his David versus Goliath head-to-head battle against supersized South African-born Scotland wing Duane van der Merwe, chasing and competing in the air exceptionally well. Picked himself up and dusted himself off time and time again in what was a bruising second Test for him and came to the fore in the decider, scoring a cracking and crucial try (watch below) in a Man of the Match performance. 13: Lukhanyo Am (South Africa) A strong candidate for Player of the Series honours. A team man through and through, but in taking centre stage in such commanding fashion, he also proved he’s undoubtedly the best No.13 in the world. Fired the first big shot when he smashed Elliot Daly two minutes into the opening Test and scored a clutch try in the second. A mastermind in midfield and magnificent throughout. 12: Damian de Allende (South Africa) Consistently colossal. Cemented himself as the best inside centre in the game today, continuing where he left off in the World Cup. An irresistible force on attack and an immovable object on defence. One-dimensional De Allende’s long gone as he underlined he has brains and brawn. Celebrated his 50th Test cap with a win in the decider and is only getting better. Among the top contenders for the Player of the Series crown. 11: Makazole Mapimpi (South Africa) Like his fellow flyer, Mapimpi took his one opportunity with both hands, literally, as he caught Handré Pollard’s pinpoint chip out of the air, swerved inside and smashed through Stuart Hogg to score the opening try of the second Test (watch below), which paved the way for the win and helped earn him the Man of the Match award. Reliable and hard-working throughout, even winning a turnover at the breakdown. 10: Handré Pollard (South Africa) Missed a few kicks at goal but was a key figure nonetheless. A cool, calming presence who pulled the strings along with his halfback partners. Clinical with his tactical kicking, particularly his attacking up-and-unders while on the flip side, he took on the added responsibility of fielding counter high balls in a sweeping capacity and did a sterling job. 9: Faf de Klerk (South Africa) The series once again shone a spotlight on De Klerk’s importance to the Springboks. The key cog in the Green and Gold machine dictated terms in the first half of the opening Test and was on point in the second, using his tactical prowess and experience to steer the ship and sparked one of the tries of the tour with a majestic grubber. A shame he missed the decider due to injury. 8: Jack Conan (British & Irish Lions) A surprise selection for the first Test who more than repaid Warren Gatland’s faith in him after making the No.8 jersey his own by series end. Mainly, the Irishman carried strongly and made a few significant breaks, including an opportunistic surge that pressured the Springboks into conceding a penalty, which led to Ken Owens’ try at the weekend. 7: Franco Mostert (South Africa) Another strong Player of the Series contender, Mostert went a mile-a-minute straight out of the shoot and maintained his superhuman work rate and intensity throughout with his monstrous motor, first in the second row and then at No.7 in place of the injured Pieter-Steph du Toit. 6: Siya Kolisi (South Africa) When the chips were down, it was the Springbok captain who stood up and led the charge. The glue that helped keep the ship intact, he turned in a talismanic performance in the second Test, arguably the best of his career, to correct the course which ultimately led to series glory. Strong from start to finish and made two massive plays – a try-saving intervention in the second Test and winning a breakdown penalty on his 5m line just before half-time in the decider (watch below). 5: Alun Wyn Jones (British & Irish Lions) An icon of the game, the record-setting Welsh warhorse added another layer to his legacy. His presence alone elevated the tourists to another level after he made an extraordinary comeback less than a month after he dislocated his shoulder against Japan. Poured his heart and soul into the series, sacrificing his body and spilling his blood for the cause. The stuff of legend. 4: 4: Eben Etzebeth (South Africa) – Player of the Series Maro Itoje stood tall with a Man of the Match performance in the series-opening win, but it proved to be his peak. Etzebeth was not only consistently excellent but grew in stature every week. Played every minute, punched a hole in the tourists’ tank with his controlled aggression and was colossal in the decider. That Kolisi called him “the leader of the pack” in his post-match interview at the weekend and revealed the enforcer was the one who fired up the hosts for that decisive final scrum says it all. 3: Frans Malherbe (South Africa) The rock of the Springbok scrum. Steadied the ship when the British & Irish Lions pack stepped on the gas and turned into a tormentor as business picked up. Saved his best for last, delivering a dominant display in the set-piece in the decider to win two penalties, the first earning the Springboks three points and the second ending Wyn Jones’ evening after 43 minutes (watch below). 2: Luke Cowan-Dickie (British & Irish Lions) Bongi Mbonambi showed he’s human after all as he wasn’t his usual clinical self and was particularly off his game in the decider. It wasn’t exactly smooth sailing for Cowan-Dickie, but after a nervous start to the opening Test and he came on strong and scored the first try of the series. Prominent in the second Test as well, particularly as the tourists’ top ball-carrier. 1: Trevor Nyakane (South Africa) This was Nyakane’s World Cup. The veteran was at the 2019 showcase but suffered a tournament-ending injury in the opening game. His hunger to excel on a special stage was clear when he kick-started the series with a beastly display as starting tighthead in the first Test, which he followed up with two titanic showings off the bench at loosehead, where he cemented his place in series lore by winning crucial scrum penalties and with his instant classic celebration of one such mauling in the second Test (watch below).
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 10:38
#2
09 Aug 2021, 10:38#2
I’d say Lawes was better than Mostert at blindside
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Aug 2021, 10:45
#3
09 Aug 2021, 10:45#3

By the way I think there may have been something amiss with Pollard on Saturday - hence the selection of Steyn to back him up.    I do htink in the RC we re likely to see retention of the 6-2system on the bench.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 15:25
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09 Aug 2021, 15:25#4

I would have picked Henshaw ahead of Dud Allende….other than that and the fact that Marx had limited game time, I can’t quibble with this team.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 15:31
#5
09 Aug 2021, 15:31#5
Well the stats alone proved that de Allende was better than Henshaw over the 2 tests they opposed eachother so not sure what you base your call on other than pure bias ?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 16:27
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09 Aug 2021, 16:27#6

So the stats for the two tests ….

Henshaw makes 15 out of 16 tackles

Dud makes 14 out of 16 tackles.

Henshaw gains 56 metres in 13 carries for an average 4.3 metres per carry…with two clean breaks.

Allende gains 76 metres in 25 carries for an average of 3.0 metres per carry….with no clean breaks.

Now Allende did beat 3 defenders to Henshaw’s 1….but none of those amounted to a hill of beans with no clean breaks. Just tractoring.

Another dismal set of stats for Dud Allende. Imagine zero clean breaks in 2 tests. 

And by the way Henshaw beat 5 defenders and made another clean break on Saturday.

 Allende beat one defender…no breaks, not one for the whole series.

So in the whole series Henshaw outdid him in defenders beaten 6 to 4…..outdid him in clean breaks 3 to 0…..and outgained him by more than a metre per carry.

Case closed.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 16:51
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09 Aug 2021, 16:51#7
Bullshit don’t try qualify the defenders beaten which is the most important stat You fail to mention the one offload by DA and zero to Henshaw DA was the better 12 without a doubt in fact it was not even close. Apart from Henshaw’s one run in space cranking up the metres he was a non entity DA was huge in the carries, with many of his metres carry the likes of Biggar and Henshaw with his charges The team selected is spot on DA was by far the best 12 in the series and is the best 12 in the game
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Aug 2021, 16:51
#8
09 Aug 2021, 16:51#8

How does the stats reflect DdA running over Dan Biggar? How does it differentiate between a normal tackle and a tackle where the receiver feels like he's been run over by a freight train? 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Aug 2021, 17:04
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09 Aug 2021, 17:04#9

When Damian notches a break on ESPN, plastics have a vision of him bursting through the line or running over players. The anatomy of a Dud1 run is to go at the weak shoulder, which is usually the outside shoulder. Most defenders lean sideways and take him high. This is a very, very weak body position. One can't exert upper body strength, you can't drive from the legs, so you are dragged a little way if you don't slip off the tackle. Damian is always picked up by the next man, and it becomes a slow process of going to ground and trying to win the ball back - see his turnover in the third test. A Damian carry is nothing. His stats in context are nothing. I took the best statistical game of Damian's career - the home England test of 2018 and posted a video of every run, tackle and pass and one could plainly observe how ordinary he is.

Likewise tackle stats. Damian and Esterhuizen have been compared on the basis of ESPN stats, but a Damian tackle in no way equates to an Esterhuizen tackle. The one is a cuddle, the other is an extinction level event.

The rest of the ratings are ridiculous and ignorant. Willie had some moments, but was almost anonamous. Liam was the best 15 by far. Malherbe was a belly flopper well off the pace. Kolbe was nowhere most of the series. Kolisi no, Pollard no. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Aug 2021, 17:49
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09 Aug 2021, 17:49#10

Rather flexible plastic than 'n klipkop...a lot of waffle...answer the question.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 17:52
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09 Aug 2021, 17:52#11
Draad we all agree that stats provide about 20% of the picture given no context lies with stats For instance Henshaw has an impressive metres gained stat thanks to finding himself in space having beaten no defender and run a good 20m in space Metres gained does not tell you this But stats are an easy immediate source of information on a player’s performance giving you an impression of form in that game
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 18:15
#12
09 Aug 2021, 18:15#12

Metres gained per carry tells you that. As usual the facts are against you guys and you are arguing on the basis of subjective bs.

Henshaw was clearly the best inside centre in this series. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 18:29
#13
09 Aug 2021, 18:29#13
Bullshit how the fuck does metres per carry tell you that? The stats are not against us at all Gaining 1m more a carry by a centre is nothing compared to beating more defenders The measure of a centre’s true skill is his ability to beat defenders - fact de Allende has rightfully been chosen as the 12 of the series. It was not even close DA made far more of an impression given most his metres gained and defenders beaten was while operating in traffic. The man sets up phase after face and is often seen man handling forwards What about his turnovers The man is a beast
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Aug 2021, 19:25
#14
09 Aug 2021, 19:25#14

"What about his turnovers

The man is a beast"

Ignored...he plays on the deck like a flanker...hybrid.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 20:48
#15
09 Aug 2021, 20:48#15

Okay let’s accept beating defenders as the key:

Henshaw beats 6 defenders in 21 carries/ Allende beats 4 in 33 carries.

Pretty conclusive.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 21:13
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09 Aug 2021, 21:13#16
Oh boy funny that 5 of those defenders beaten where while playing 13 but I guess there is no difference between 12 and 13 in your eyes?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 21:27
#17
09 Aug 2021, 21:27#17

Not really. I mean take Am if beating tackles at 13 is easy. Am had a great series right? Now how many defenders did he beat  in all 3 games? Nada….not one. Put that in your Rassie pipe and smoke it. Another glorious Erasmus stat.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Aug 2021, 21:48
#18
09 Aug 2021, 21:48#18

Saffex, get a grip. You're arguing with a noob who had never heard of Robbie Henshaw until this series. 

Moffie variously called him Henderson and Henson. Why are you wasting your time arguing rugby issues with a self-important old windbag who doesn't even know who Robbie Henshaw is . . . the same attention-seeking rugby beginner who told us years ago that Cheslin Kolbe would never make it in Test rugby . . . only to later proclaim himself the person on this board who discovered Kolbe?

Just have a laugh.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 22:07
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09 Aug 2021, 22:07#19

Noob….now here’s a noob


Rooinek

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Mar 24, 2021, 21:40

Showpony Willie ahead of Aphelele Fassi?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 22:10
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09 Aug 2021, 22:10#20

Hahaha…..talk about dumb. But as the guy who preferred Watson over Schalk, Lambie over Pollard, Deysel twins over Juan Smith.  And get this, thinks Etzebeth is useless….we should expect stupid stuff. And we are rarely disappointed.


Nice of you to try to rescue Dave, but perhaps you should take care of number one….hahaha!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 22:30
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09 Aug 2021, 22:30#21
Well Moz we are talking inside centre here not outside centre - huge difference When assessing the 12’s you can’t include his performance at 13 helloooo If Henshaw had played more tests at 13 then he could have challenged Am for the best 13 of the series Let’s face it Am did not have many attacking opportunities at 13, nor did de Allende at 12 but de Allende makes his impressions in traffic It’s not pretty but it works. We would love to see backs attacking space - but there is no space
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 04:14
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10 Aug 2021, 04:14#22

No Am didn't, Damian was too busy holding the ball until Am was in front of him or throwing it behind his head, while Am in front of him. It's not only ugly, it doesn't work. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Aug 2021, 04:28
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10 Aug 2021, 04:28#23

So the whole anti-De Allande  mafia is at i t all the time - the main lot is rugby criminals spouting ignorance,  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 04:33
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10 Aug 2021, 04:33#24

Reference one effective power run, reference one instance where he created space. The floor is yours. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Aug 2021, 05:19
#25
10 Aug 2021, 05:19#25

f you watch gams and not spread  disinformation you would have no need for "reference of one insurance" you refer to.  Do no get the insurance side of the question either.   English suffer again from the expert in shit spreading. .    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 05:31
#26
10 Aug 2021, 05:31#26

I'm not asking for my benefit. I already have the details logged in depth. I know exactly what Damian did and didn't do. I'm asking you for some evidence to your claims. You, predictably, have nothing. You plastics are a dead end for debate. Your kind never have any material to bring to the table. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Aug 2021, 05:41
#27
10 Aug 2021, 05:41#27
It’s quite clear from all the stats Henshaw was the centre of the series and the best Lion. Dud Allende is killing the Am/Kolbe/Mapimpi/Willie axis with his mindless tractoring.
But back in the days when he was trying to emulate SBW he actually offloaded successfully.  Obviously this is not something our Stone Age coaching is encouraging.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Aug 2021, 07:14
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10 Aug 2021, 07:14#28
Wehe, Moffie just explodes into his usual state of spite and pettiness . . . . none of which changes the fact that he's never heard of Robbie Henshaw until this series and he told us Cheslin Kolbe would never make it as a test player.
Stick to the topic, chump . . . and "stick to Moz"!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2021, 10:34
#29
10 Aug 2021, 10:34#29
I’m not sure what stats you are referring to Moz DA was the best 12 in the series and not one single series team out there has him at 12 because it’s too obvious that DA was the best 12 just like many journalists are referring to him as the best 12 in the game because he is just that
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 10:38
#30
10 Aug 2021, 10:38#30

Can't pass, can't kick, can't read play, can't tackle (one accurate big hit, but the carrier ran straight into him so it was hard to miss). Best in the series, best in the world, yet he can't do anything. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2021, 10:39
#31
10 Aug 2021, 10:39#31
Omelette no one cares what you think
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 11:03
#32
10 Aug 2021, 11:03#32

You care enough to wind your panties to the point of castration.

Big claims bellowed from a big mouth without a single shred of evidence. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2021, 11:14
#33
10 Aug 2021, 11:14#33
What more evidence do you need than the YouTube tributes of the player = material evidence Then we have journalists picking him as the 12 of the WC, the Lions series and saying he is the best 12 in the game What more do you need What you need is a fucking brain transplant
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 11:41
#34
10 Aug 2021, 11:41#34

Tribute videos are not evidence. Detailed analysis is. I have exposed a lot of those tribute clips, I have presented entire performances in its entirety. You were one of those who defended his 20m escort of an England player in 2018. You defended Lood missing the tackle on Isi in 2019, falling flat on his face (you were the only person who took that stance). You don't look for truth, only for whatever will support your preconceived ideas. You are thus dishonest. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2021, 11:54
#35
10 Aug 2021, 11:54#35
Ah so watching a guy on video doing all the things you say he can’t or does not do is not evidence huh? Fuck me there is stupid and then we get you Your detailed analysis bwhaahaaaa Fuck me, I think Laurel and Hardy would come up with better rugby analysis than your biased garbage No one reads or looks at the shit you post for it’s so far off reality that it does not merit our time of day You must take us for complete idiots trying to convince us that the likes of PSDT and DA are as shit as you say they are when we watch them week in and week out You are a delusional idiot and I mean that sincerely
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 12:04
#36
10 Aug 2021, 12:04#36
A tribute video does not show all of the action, only snippets. You're talking to someone that has posted 80% of Damian's test career under José. Your little tribute video doesn't hold any weight in this discussion. I have challenged you for a breakdown of any test; you shy away from that. The plastics scurry away when everything is laid out on the table. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Aug 2021, 12:12
#37
10 Aug 2021, 12:12#37

And your disinformation icovers the other 80%  - when one reads your description of what happened during and in games your assessment is totally flawed  and what you "locked in" is a farce.    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Aug 2021, 12:12
#38
10 Aug 2021, 12:12#38

And your disinformation icovers the other 80%  - when one reads your description of what happened during and in games your assessment is totally flawed  and what you "locked in" is a farce.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
10 Aug 2021, 12:18
#39
10 Aug 2021, 12:18#39

Yes, I recall: "Video evidence is a gross fabrication of the truth"

You plastics are hilarious as you are desperate. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Aug 2021, 13:00
#40
10 Aug 2021, 13:00#40

And no more of a farce than the lies and distortions by you.  

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