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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Feb 2016, 09:28
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29 Feb 2016, 09:28#1
Since we have rather decent discussion on the player nobody can say anything bad about, let's see which Bok nobody likes. I want to say Morne Steyn because I've never been able to stand those "opening batsman" number 9s. But he did play well at some stage and I know some on here still fancy his skills. Though calling anything other than his kicking a skill doesn't make much sense...to me. So I'm gonna go with Ruan Pielkop Pienaar in first place. Obviously strictly based on his Bok performances and also taking into consideration that he was playing to a predetermined plan.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
29 Feb 2016, 09:54
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29 Feb 2016, 09:54#2
Morne Steyn was a very effective player before the game changed and no longer suited 10 man rugby. Also, a very humble and nice guy in person. 
As for a universally disliked/undeserving player... Earl Rose! 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Feb 2016, 10:03
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29 Feb 2016, 10:03#3
 Didn't PDivvy call him the Tiger Woods of rugby ?
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
29 Feb 2016, 10:14
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29 Feb 2016, 10:14#4
Bwahahaha I forgot about that. Yes, he did call old Earl the Tiger Woods of rugby! That pretty much sums up PDV in a nutshell! 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Feb 2016, 10:51
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29 Feb 2016, 10:51#5
blobbokRE: That other player
February 29, 2016, 10:03:33

 Didn't PDivvy call him the Tiger Woods of rugby ?


Another one of those general misconceptions. PDV actually said that of Ruan Pienaar and then added that Earl Rose was in the same class. In effect the same  as saying that Earl Rose is it bit there is a subtle difference. 
This is the full article (other laughable remarks in bold):
Ruan the Tiger Woods of Rugby Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©) 
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers, as he so often does, has a strange way of getting his point across and he was at it again on Monday, after naming the team to face the British and Irish Lions on a three-Test series later this month.
The Afrikaans-speaking De Villiers, never one to take a step back went fronting up to the media despite his obvious frustrations at eloquently expressing himself in English, likened controversial uncapped back Earl Rose to golf legend Tiger Woods.
Rugby 365 reports that De Villiers made no excuse for his affinity for Rose, and also strongly defended the selection of out-of-form scrumhalf Enrico Januarie.
He also had sound reasons for the absence if form players like Zane Kirchner and Heinrich Brussow. [And then we have some wise cracks who believed that ZK was actually brought in by HM, as was Dean Greyling and Werner Kruger]
However, it is his persistence with Rose and the reason for doing so that is likely to raise a few eyebrows.
De Villiers, in defending some of his selections – such as Ruan Pienaar’s inclusion despite a lengthy lay-off, Januarie’s selection ahead of other in-form scrumhalves and Rose – produced a real pearler.
On the selection of Januarie, De Villiers said: “Form is temporary, class is permanent.”
He said that Januarie’s experience counted in his favour.
“Jano [Vermaak] will be a Bok.”
De Villiers then produced his Tiger Woods quote.
“Ruan [Pienaar] is the Tiger Woods of rugby and I believe Earl Rose is in the same class,” he said, adding: “I never make decisions unless I’m convinced, I would never play with players’ lives.
“I’m sure Ruan will stand up to the challenge.”
He also took a swipe at Lions coach Eugene Eloff, for not giving Rose enough game time.
“I believe in him.
“We must not look at why he [Rose] is in this squad, but rather question why he did not get the same chances as other players had. But if we have to, we will work with him to make him a better player.”
He was equally defensive about the lack of a specialist fullback in the squad and the absence of outstanding Bulls No.15 Zane Kirchner.
“We do have a few brilliant players there that have played in that position before,” DE Villiers said.
“I don’t know when do you qualify as a ‘recognised’ rugby player, but we certainly do have a few options [at fullback].
“We will use the best combinations [in the Tests] for the kind of rugby we want to play.
“A guy like JP Pietersen played fullback for the Sharks, he moved [to wing] last year, Morné [Steyn] can be very good at fullback [this also proved to be BS. MS was started at FB in one test and it flopped. He was used at FB from the bench on the odd occasion but that could probably counted on one hand] , Jaque Fourie was a fullback for the [Golden] Lions for many years and also played [in that position] for South Africa and Francois Steyn can play there.
“What we plan to do is look ahead, past this Lions tour. Those guys are still young [enough] to stay with the team till [the World Cup in] 2011 and beyond that.”
He said that Kirchner is not the only player that was unfortunate to miss out.
“If we sit down and start dotting down names, we’ll be able to select a Bok side that will be able to give this Bok side a run for their money.
“Zane Kirchner was brilliant [in the Super 14], but we have only two weeks to prepare [for the Tests].
“That is why we stuck with the players that have been in the Bok fold and know the culture of the team and won’t let the team down.
“It doesn’t mean he is out of the running, but we first want to see if he can make the step up at the Emerging Boks and then we will know where we stand with him.”
He was also asked about flank Heinrich Brussow and other “unlucky” players. [But HM was rubbished when he also overlooked Brussow]
“We have a guy like Johann Muller, who can feel very unlucky, he is a good leader. You have Luke Watson, who played great rugby, guys who won’t let the Springbok side down.
“There will always be those who are disappointed.
“We won’t harp on about who we could have [selected], we will make the best of the opportunities we do have.
“It is very difficult and tough to leave some players out of the squad. [True but some supporters do not understand that concept, hence some squad lists of  50+.]
“There are about 12 players that could so easily have been in the squad, but team dynamics, cohesion and all that stuff played a role.
“It is the best group we could get for the excursions [against the B&I Lions].”
He said the door is “wide open” for players in the Emerging Bok squad should there be any injuries in the Test series.
“It is going to be three long, tough weeks against the Lions and in the third week is when you mostly get fatigue setting in and injuries occur.
“The guys in the Emerging Bok side, there are a few of them that are next in line for Bok selection.”
The other selection puzzle is the lack of a specialist tighthead prop, but De Villiers said Deon Carstens’s versatility saw him win the position of back-up tighthead in the Springbok squad.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
29 Feb 2016, 11:10
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29 Feb 2016, 11:10#6
Cera, your argument is just semantics. I don't want to get into a silly argument about this, because it is not the point of the thread, but saying someone is as good as someone else, who is on the same level as a third person implies that all three are on the same level. I'll grant you PDV never actually said Earl Rose was the Tiger Woods of rugby, but by implication, that is what he said.  
Back to the point...who actually likes Earl Rose? 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Feb 2016, 11:22
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29 Feb 2016, 11:22#7
Victor Matfield is an interesting one because he falls into the category that everyone rates and the category that no-one rates . . . depending on what stage of his career you're talking.

I don't know too many people who didn't rate a young Victor Matfield as one of the best players in the world . . . except for the thunderously stupid Baboon-ou and he doesn't really count.

I also don't know too many people who rated the slow, ponderous and clumsy Victor Matfield after he foolishly came out of retirement . . . the same Matfield who spent the entire 2015 RWC five yards off the pace and who cost us any chance of winning the RWC semi with his stupid and dirty play that reversed a crucial penalty. Again I can only think of one buffoon who rated Matfield after he came out of retirement but it's only Moffie (and by association his gimp Dense) and - like Baboon-ou - neither one knows enough about rugby to matter so we can safely ignore them.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
29 Feb 2016, 11:28
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29 Feb 2016, 11:28#8
 Zane Kirch ner
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Feb 2016, 12:15
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29 Feb 2016, 12:15#9
 Yes Rooi. But who is your nomination? Surely not Matfield because for the majority of his career he was good. Same as Morne Steyn was decent for a part of his. So it can't be them. Earl Rose is a good call, but one can hardly call what he had "A Springbok career". Ruan Pienaar has been fluffing Bok games since I can remember. Honestly, I watch random replays of games that happened six years ago and every time, Pienaar is the stand out poor performer. The best he ever seemed to do was to not make us lose.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Feb 2016, 12:16
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29 Feb 2016, 12:16#10
Does or did anyone here ever rate Pienaar as deserving of his spot? I never did. Ever!!!
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
29 Feb 2016, 18:37
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29 Feb 2016, 18:37#11
Braam Van Straaten,comes to mind if we can go back that far. Ricky Januarie was ok before he starting eating too many pies and started going on the piss...scored a great try in NZ when the Boks had one of their few wins there.
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sharkbokCaptain23,274 posts
01 Mar 2016, 01:28
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01 Mar 2016, 01:28#12
Jorrie Muller springs to mind. He looked the part- but he should have struggled to make a school team. He just had no understanding of rugby. 
Braam Van Straaten was useless. He was a flank at club rugby who somehow learnt to kick for poles. His goldfish had a better understanding of creative rugby. 
Some of Meyers Bulls at the start of his reign because he knew them and were useless. That other Bulls prop who's name escapes me. 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Mar 2016, 01:31
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01 Mar 2016, 01:31#13
I recent years Morne Steyn walks it for....its an insult that he played a single test for the Boks
An utterly useless player who only had goal kicking to offer
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
01 Mar 2016, 01:43
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01 Mar 2016, 01:43#14
 How about JJ?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Mar 2016, 09:04
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01 Mar 2016, 09:04#15
Jorrie Muller is a good call but the absolute worst ever single performance by a Springbok has to be Dave Von Hoesselin's effort against the All Blacks in 1999. Everything he did in that match turned to mud.

Actually on second thoughts, that was only the second worst performance ever by a Springbok. The worst has to be Corne Krige's pathetic display in the infamous 53-3 loss to the Poms in 2002.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Mar 2016, 10:21
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01 Mar 2016, 10:21#16
Haha Rooi. I was on the Island when they filmed the Mark Fish & Krige series. The Currie Cup final was on, Krige was watching the game in the report's restaurant. Only, he wasn't allowed to due to the shows rules about news from the outside world. The girl I was dating and the reason I was there was one of MNET's CEO'S, and she spotted him watching. She proceeded to pick the gayest member of the production team to go to him and tell him he was not allowed to watch the game. I immediately went to sit right next to him so as to have the best seat to observe the mayhem that would ensue. I actually thought he was gonna strangle the guy. Anyway the production guy comes over and tells him he has to turn the tv off. Krige, closes his eyes for about 5 seconds, calm gets up and walks out. I would love to know what calming process he went though during those 5 closed eye seconds. My guess is it was some like "Dink aan jou kinders! Dink aan jou kinders."
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