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The Boks side that should be

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 10:00
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19 Jul 2021, 10:00#1
It’s massively disappointing that class acts like RG and Lood are not available. I’m assuming the COVID boys will be back, would make no sense if they were not. The side I’d go with given the squad would be: 15. Willie 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Nkosi 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kolisi (c) 7. JL du Preez 8. Dan du Preez 16. Mbonambi 17. Thomas du Toit 18. Wilco Louw 19. Mostert 20. Wiese 21. Jantjies 22. Willemse 23. Jessie Kriel
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Jul 2021, 10:12
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19 Jul 2021, 10:12#2

Wouldn't complain too much if that was the team. As you know I'm not the biggest fan of Willie le Roux and I think Fassi is a future star but what I like most about your side is you've moved Pieter-Steph back to lock where he belongs.

Just not sure your side is representative enough. Expect Mbonambi to start ahead of Marx and a few other front-row changes.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
19 Jul 2021, 10:37
#3
19 Jul 2021, 10:37#3
That back row would be destroyed on the ground. The creatine twins can't even touch their toes, let alone compete on the deck. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2021, 10:52
#4
19 Jul 2021, 10:52#4

Dve

Glad to see you back.    Mozart has gone crazy in your absence and he needs to be held in check.   I think there may be a problem playing Du toit at lock - for me the frontrunner in the no 5 lock position is Van Rensburg and the no 8 is Wiese.   

However we will need to wait and see what comnes up.     

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Jul 2021, 11:04
#5
19 Jul 2021, 11:04#5

Sharkbok, your obsession with the Du Preez twins is starting to resemble that of Omlett and Omellete when it comes to PSdT.

Not sure what it is you hate about them but for me they are fast and skilled for such big men and they also play with a lot of passion. If it was me I'd move PSdT to lock and play either Dan or Jean-Luc at #7 with the other one on the bench.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jul 2021, 11:31
#6
19 Jul 2021, 11:31#6

PSDT hasn't played lock in years...I'd rather start him in the position he's played in for the last couple of seasons. He's become a 7 that can stand in at lock.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2021, 11:41
#7
19 Jul 2021, 11:41#7

By the way - even the media claim that  the back-up player for Pollard will be Goosen and not Steyn or Jantjies.  Both buggered up Royally in the .two A team matches and that is the end of their story as potential Springboks.  

White is very happy at what he has seen of Goosen on Saturday and I think Erasmus and Nienaber share his feelings in that regard.   Will niot be surprised if he is called upo to join the squad this week already.     

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 11:43
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19 Jul 2021, 11:43#8
Shark I see is still as fucking dumb as ever Mike I’m not interested in the petty pathetic squabbling it is as boring as fuck Rooi I hear you on Fassi and he sure is the future, the kid is pure class but Willie is vital to the Boks with reference to scanning and seeking creative opportunities Draad while PSDT has not played lock in ages he has played there most of his life. It’s an easier switch from flank to lock and there is no way in hell I’d start any of the other squad locks with Eben, so PSDT it has to be. Had the squad contained some other quality locks like Jason Jenkins, Ruben Schoeman, JD Schickerling or Ruben v Heerden then things might have been different I hope to hell Pollard, Malherbe and Kolisi are available - especially Pollard as we can’t take on the Lions with useless Morne starting and while I like Jantjies I would only use him off the bench. If Pollard is not available I’d definitely start Goosen at 10
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 11:46
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19 Jul 2021, 11:46#9
There has been talk of PSDT moving to lock so it’s certainly on the cards What is the position with Lood, he is in the squad but? Same with RG, had a skin graft but no mention of when/if he will be ready at any point in the series
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2021, 12:25
#10
19 Jul 2021, 12:25#10

Dave

I spoke to Malherbe's father - he assured me that Malherbe and Pollard have  been tested and is now negative.  Neither of them were sick or showed any signs of illness  and they were already cleared last week Thursday when they were retested.   Have not ehard anything about the other players who were initially tested. 

As to the the two A-teams who played  on Wednesday and Saturday i think that the two games were regarded as trial games. anyway.   rom what i have seen Mostert will not make the grade.   against the  Lions team he got run over again  -  jsut not physical enough to make the grade.

Now  a  further question - what doyou think about Goosen as back-up for Pollard at flyhalf?    He was magic playing for he Bulls on  Saturday and  was the main cause why the A-team lost.         

    

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
19 Jul 2021, 12:26
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19 Jul 2021, 12:26#11

The Twins are good provincial-level players, not test standard players. 
To have them both in one back row is totally unbalanced and offers nothing at the breakdown.

Compare them to the likes of Duane Vermeulen or Steph Dutoit, and they are just not all-around players. One of them is ok , but two in the same team is pointless.

I see the Sales Sharks where they are playing are doing terrible. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 12:40
#12
19 Jul 2021, 12:40#12
Shark you are really fucking stupid - seriously. You clearly have NOT been watching the du Preez twins playing for Sale for if you had you would not been uttering the complete and utter garbage that you are. They have been brilliant for Sale so much so they often make the UK teams of the week and why they are back in the Bok squad Your take on their ground work is absolute ignorance Move on you painfully dumb fool
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 12:59
#13
19 Jul 2021, 12:59#13
Mike as I said in my post I’d play Goosen if Pollard is not available But on the Bok bench I’d have Willemse there to perform the role Frans Steyn was meant to and never did. Willemse is class and covers 15, 10, 12 and 13
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 14:19
#14
19 Jul 2021, 14:19#14

Creatine is not an anabolic steroid. 

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Jul 2021, 14:21
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19 Jul 2021, 14:21#15

Actually a really good team, I take it that you don't rate Wiese enough as a starter. 

I would start with my strongest team too.  I think Gatland knows what is coming and he has gone or a lighter back 3 to  try and move the boks around. 

All the kiwi coaches know that in order  to beat the boks, you just move them around the park a lot. Eventually they will run out of steam and with that defence, they can't just rush and scramble all game long. 

Nienabaar also looked a bit like a deer in the headlights to explain how the SA A team lost to the Bulls team full of youngsters and Goosen. 

But I would bring him into the team, even if it is just on the bench in place of Willemse who is probably the most overrated player in SA right now. 

He has absolutely no game management. 

We need Willie, creates so much for us from the back. 

I will  not choose kwagga at all. Super rugby is his ceiling. Won't get a chance  to run into space like he did for the Golden shower lions 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 14:24
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19 Jul 2021, 14:24#16

Willemse, Goosen, Steph, Kolisi, Damian... uncompetitive. So too Lood. Nkosi is touch and go, depending if he gets a bit of space or not. Highly erratic making decisions and was alongside Dyantyi as the weakest wing coming off the line, getting caught in no man's land. Doesn't work hard enough to get involved. I'm 50/50 about Jean-Luc, but his brother was only marginally off Thor in 2019, vastly superior to blumbling giraffe Steph. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 14:30
#17
19 Jul 2021, 14:30#17

Kwagga was very good against Georgia, one of the best Boks. Has only had one quiet test, which isn't bad considering that we are waiting for Steph, Kolisi and Lood to have that breakout test after all these years. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 14:43
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19 Jul 2021, 14:43#18
Kwagga was nothing against Georgia stop speaking shit Your take on de Allende and PSDT is fucking insulting you ignorant prick PSDT against both Georgia and the Lions was simply sublime as was de Allende against the Lions Willemse was very good when he came on Kolisi is our best openside by some margin, next best is Dylan Richardson of the Sharks Marco v Staaden showed us against the Lions just how good Kolisi is
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2021, 14:49
#19
19 Jul 2021, 14:49#19

Steph have already have 10 breakout tests - and  Lood as many as well.   The only problem is you cannot distinguish when players play well and when they don't  - so your opinion is worthless .

The uncompetitive player caused their teams to play well and score tries.    Damian is the best center in the world  at present and has proven it - so what is going on in that chicken head of yours.     

That avatar of yours is right - you have a birdbrain  and a stupid one at that.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 15:10
#20
19 Jul 2021, 15:10#20
I loved the way PSDT attacked space against Georgia, it’s what Schalk only learnt once he moved to Sarries
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2021, 16:01
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19 Jul 2021, 16:01#22

Mozart and the kindergarten imbecile missed all of that.  Typical.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2021, 16:44
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19 Jul 2021, 16:44#23

Welcome back Dave ….right on cue. I take it you now accept the utterly useless Stampkar was simply not picked by Gatland. Mostert will be our number 5 lock….he was one of our best forwards for the As against the Lions. As usual I might add.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 16:48
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19 Jul 2021, 16:48#24

How cute, a tribute video. Hardest man in world rugby? Pick a game, any game - preferably one I haven't already covered - and we shall see the truth of the matter. When plastics get analytical they turn to this? Hilarious. You can visit my post on Steph's 2018 Wellington test, hailed by you and Lügnerin as performance of the century by a Bok. 17th best flank in SH rugby. Ende. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2021, 16:56
#25
19 Jul 2021, 16:56#25

Perhaps Dud Toit could learn what Schalk also learned….how to offload. 

I repeat how can  a blindsider that averages 1.7 metres a carry, beats a tackle every 10 carries  and never offloads …..be a great ball carrier.

What does he do that isn’t captured in those dismal stats. The floor is open to Dud fans,

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jul 2021, 17:06
#26
19 Jul 2021, 17:06#26

World Rugby player of the year meaning it a fair bet to say also best number 7 in world rugby.

Use you eyes Dr Moz. Bye the way how is the mozcroscope doing; is the faulty lens fixed yet! 

Bwahahahhahahahaha they just keep digging! I will soon need a fixed mozcroscope to see he and poor Organhuffer as they are so far down the the rabbit hole!


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 17:19
#27
19 Jul 2021, 17:19#27

"Use your eyes"

And see what? Poor attacking output, poor defence. I ask yet more, where is the production? His famous line rush into no man's land is his best trick. New Zealand simply had a three man POD bait him and send a forward into free space with a fully loaded layer of attacking units free to exploit our defence on the back foot. Happens far, far to o often. I'd like to go back and see how many tries resulted from Steph blowing our coverage. Ball in hand he is less than ordinary. Damian and Steph plod the bulk of their possession away for static and predictable phase play. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 17:38
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19 Jul 2021, 17:38#28
No Moz at no point was the contrary ever proved that CJ was available for Lions selection you are just speaking utter shit as usual and to think you thought I left because you maintained I had a hissy fit because you had proven me wrong about CJ - what utter rubbish. You think that after how many years on here I’d leave because your warped mind told you you had proved me wrong - dream on Moz Mostert was anything but the best forward, not even close, nothing has changed he remains a physical liability, hell the weakling could not even clear out an 18 year old Gorgian fullback - that sums up how physically inept he is. If he starts at 5 we will lose to the Lions as he is that much of a physical liability in the engine room. I was going to put in an appearance here but I’m bored already - it’s the same old boring shit Shark still sees the du Preez twins as one dimensional the dumb fuck can’t move on from his initial ignorant assessment when they were 20 year olds Aug remains the most ignorant rugby follower I have ever come across, made that more strange by virtue of the fact that he sincerely believes the shit he writes Your first predictable shout was rehashing CJ - seriously it’s fucking kindergarten stuff My return was a test - shock shock you clowns failed It’s soooooo fucking boring on here guys. Zero evolution on players, no movement away from childish mud slinging matches between you lot. Do I really want to return and hear about how shit Kitshoff,Thomas, Malherbe, Lood, PSDT, Kolisi, the du Preez twins, Marcel Coetzee, Reinach, Jantjies, Goosen, de Allende, Jessie Kriel, Fassi etc are or how great Morne, Mostert and Frans Steyn are. Best of all is listening to garbage spouted about Rassie, by some distance the best coach in the business and possibly the best the Boks have ever had. The side I have selected is the best given the circumstances and it’s not up for debate. Some marginal calls in Am or Jessie Kriel at 13, Nyakane or Wilco Louw on the bench, Mostert vs van Rensburg on the bench, Kwagga vs Wiese on the bench
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jul 2021, 18:05
#29
19 Jul 2021, 18:05#29
Any Bok side containing both Kwagga and Mostert  will not give the Boks the physical edge they must have against the Lions. 
Snapster you will never get agreement on any Bok side.
Yes ou Organhufferr has lost his marbles which makes the oak very funny in my book.  Dr Mozzzzz is also battling!
I dont have much problem with your team. I would perhaps favour Bongi, I would like Du Toit to stay at 7 but we do need a proper lock to partner Eben. Dan at 8 could be better than Wiese.  But no blunders in your team.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 18:11
#30
19 Jul 2021, 18:11#30

Kwagga was the physical loosie of the Georgia test and by far the most dynamic. The logical change would be:

08.Wiese

07.Dan

06.Kwagga

Start Marx and eventually RG. That's a massively physical side with immense breakdown shifting presence and skill. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 18:21
#31
19 Jul 2021, 18:21#31
Kwagga got owned at test level as he always has Provincial rugby is his ceiling I’d love him to have made the impression he did for the Lions at super rugby level but he has fallen way short Thankfully Kolisi looks set to return as do Pollard and Mbonambi I’d prefer PSDT to stay at 7 but given Lood and RG are not available and the only squad options are Mostert, Orie and v Rensburg, PSDT simply has to move back to lock until we get our squad lock selections right. Orie is a fucking insult. v Rensburg looks solid enough but there are better options out there - especially Jason Jenkins Marx starting ahead of Mbonambi is a no brainer but for political reasons. Bongi is damn good but Marx is the best hooker in the game
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 18:46
#32
19 Jul 2021, 18:46#32

Kolisi is a total flatline. 98% of his test career has been loafing around doing nothing. It is too little to deem him outright inadequate, as he just hasn't shown enough participation to be rated. Mr Missing In Action. Most often I see him in the background laying hands on opponents already dealt with by one or more other Boks. It gets logged as a tackle by ESPN and the plastics then call it production... until the film comes to surface like Herr Haifisch. 

Kwagga has had one anonymous showing: Wales 2018. He was a bit patchy against New Zealand in 2019. Other then that, he has shown far more promise than both Steph, Kolisi and "all time Bok" Notshe.

Agreed in Orie. A poor man's Albert. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 19:05
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19 Jul 2021, 19:05#33
Said with so much conversation but amounts to fuck all - Kwagga has been a complete flop at test level and that’s a fact Kolisi is our only attacking forward and is physically imposing with ball in hand and defensively By far our best 6, next best is Dylan Richardson - pure class this lad
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 19:40
#34
19 Jul 2021, 19:40#34

Kolisi gets bowled over defensively and on attack. Why do you think he is so often placed out wide in a unit with 13, a wing and/or 15? He can't do the hard yards, Kwagga can. You get the very occasional break that almost always leads to nothing (mostly a turnover as there is no support). Kolisi is the least effective of all of our options at loose forward. Marx, Eben, Thor, Dan, Kwagga, Mostert, especially RG are all vastly superior attacking forwards. RG is our very best attacking forward, and it isn't even close. Kolisi is a bad joke. The greatest quota in South African sports history. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jul 2021, 19:52
#35
19 Jul 2021, 19:52#35

We had an unconventional side, which was molded together into a team where the team equaled more than the sum of the individual  parts.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 20:18
#36
19 Jul 2021, 20:18#36

It was quite patchy. A spine that carried dead weight, but it wasn't working very often. A 50% record in 2018, that to the 53.8% of 2017. A spluttering, and at times ugly kick game of shallow up and unders where we contested the contact point of the recipient and resulting breakdown. It was a hybrid form of the 2007 Argentina blueprint: Kicks in behind the midfield, chocking them as they were squeezed into congested alleys and immense breakdown power to pressure into mistakes, with swift counter-attack in the transitions. This, but with an emphasis on kicking away anything resembling slow ball, even right on the oppositions 22, and slower developing attacking units/plays/patterns/etc.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jul 2021, 20:22
#37
19 Jul 2021, 20:22#37
Kolisi gets bowled physically but little Kwagga does not - Wow do you realise you stupid you are? Seriously
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jul 2021, 20:32
#38
19 Jul 2021, 20:32#38

At times Kolisi plays like a center...at times Damian does a flanker's job...hybrid team... 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2021, 21:27
#39
19 Jul 2021, 21:27#39

Just a little joke, but then you are one of the no sense of humour crowd.

Dave you have us confused with a group who gives a damn whether you post here or not. What’s actually boring is your groupie like allegiance to proven zeroes like the Deysel twins.

If you are bored….piss off.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Jul 2021, 21:31
#40
19 Jul 2021, 21:31#40

Damian a flanker? What are they putting in the water in South Africa? What next?


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