The Boks
Stats in rugby overall show that more tries are scored from counter attacks (element of surprise) than by phase play and set pieces.
Ja, what mo st of has been saying...
Maybe it differs with individual nations stats but this is overall rugby worldwide stats.
The NZ'ers are the counter-attack kings and I guess they over the years have scored more tries over, lets say the last 2 decades than any other national side.
I don't say this is gospel but it was in an article on this subject...it is however an interesting point.
The element of surprise is a successful military concept...I think the same principal applies to all competitions of challenge.
The same old tactics over and over again eventually lose their power...one has to develope new tactics to outwit the opponent.
Well, if anyone on here watched chasing the sun, you know how Rassie broke down Gatland Wales team. Gatland pretty much played the same game.
Wait for the other team to make the mistake, so you can't go on full attack as Gatland / Wales continue to pepper you with kicks and put pressure on you.
It worked for Wales for 12 years and they have been right up at the top for a long time under him.
So why play into his hands when he is waiting for you to attack.
Lets hope we see a slight different approach when it comes to the other matches.
I for one am not a fan of kicking the ball away
The Springboks scored 66 against this Lions squad and won the series after not being able to push on after 2019 WC.
I don't know and maybe we need "clarification*" from Ian Foster if 1 point is all the difference in being able to stay awake and boring rugby.
Well the Lions had more territory/more possession/ more metres and more defenders beaten. Was that part of the plan. Or were we just lucky Curry, Price and Williams blew obvious try scoring opportunities.
Oh I forgot, that was part of the plan to demoralize them. Just as we played a non optimum game and nearly lost against Wales….just to head fake England in the final.
Funny though how the game we played against Wales was the game we played in each Lions test.
Dave
Not only madness - I from time to time have a talk with some ex-springboks and present ones and if I even mention something coming from Mozart and the Kindergarte Imbecile - obviously did not mention their names - they generally burst out laughing and have said "They must be kidding. Do they understand the game. ll they said about Erasmus and Nienaber is that they are the best coaches they ever played under.
"In the WC we scored more points, beat more defenders, made more clean breaks and gained more metres than any other side"
No. New Zealand 122 clean breaks, the Boks 89. Consider that the Boks played some very lowly opposition. Most of their numbers came from the Canada game (25 clean breaks and 42 defenders beaten).
The 2019 Boks were outside the top tier for attacking production. They finished 3rd and 4th in almost all categories.
As for winning most games with little possession. The info I have at hand doesn't correlate with that. Wellington was an anomaly. We don't often win games like that. A few Kiwi errors really hurt them a lot.
Unteromlett gets scrambled again. In the face of truth:
You obviously avoided the link in the ‘no respect’ thread. So you are making incorrect claims:
Read this Dave and stop embarrassing yourself:
‘ And whether Springboks supporters want to admit it or not, the results say they are an above-average team barely above Springbok teams of the past.
Since Rassie Erasmus and Jacques Nienaber took over the Springboks as a duo and employed this style of game, they are 20-9-1, winning 66.6 percent of the games.
The Lions tour was perfectly smack bang on this average, with two wins and one loss, and could’ve easily fallen the other way in the last five minutes of the series.
Historically, the Springboks have won 62 percent of the time so it’s marginally better than what South Africa has been. An argument can be made it is emphatically worse aesthetically, but there are no bonus points for style after all.
If you just want to judge against tier one opposition only, they are 15-9-1, a win rate of 60 percent, less impressive and slightly lower than the historical average.
The coaching pair definitely revived Springbok rugby from the absolute lows of 2016 and 2017, but before being crowned masters of the game, consider that winning at 66 percent is below that of Joe Schmidt (72.2%), Eddie Jones (69%), Rod Macqueen (79%), and far below that of Steve Hansen (87%), and Graham Henry (85%) with the All Blacks.
The South Africans so desperately want global recognition for a 66 percent winning team it seems, but don’t realise that they won’t get it until they prove to be dominate for a proper stretch of time, which, in order to achieve, would likely require winning in multiple ways to beat all before them over a prolonged period.
And all we are seeing is the same game plan, rolled out every time with results that have to be said, are inconclusive.
If the third test plan was hoist it every time and hope for a call to go your way to give Morne Steyn a shot in the last minute, that is not going to go your way repeated enough times.
Unfortunately, as we’ve already seen when it doesn’t go their way, they want to blame the ref publicly instead of looking in the mirror.
The world is waiting for the Springboks to put together an 80-90 percent winning test season that doesn’t include the likes of Italy, Namibia and Canada and losing to New Zealand through a condensed World Cup test season.
That is the only way to eliminate the doubts outside South Africa about this team.
The question we want answered is whether this dire form of rugby that has produced a win rate of 66 percent can produce longer-term, undisputed dominance, at least for one year. That’s all. One genuine test season of extended success.
If you win two out of every three games, it won’t get you there. It shows you are a good team, a genuine force in test rugby but it is nowhere near the consistency we have seen from elite teams over the last decade.
Because that’s what great teams do. They compete against history, measuring themselves against the best of the past to secure a place as an all-time team as they are above those they compete with. These Springboks are still battling contemporaries, and often struggling to get by at that.
The Springboks winning the series 2-1 is a massive achievement given the circumstances. Does it prove their absolute greatness in history? It is only the starting block.
The 2007 World Cup-winning squad, over the three year stretch from ’07 to ’09 won 73.8 percent of the games, 31 games from 42. It included a 3-nil win over the All Blacks in the 2009 season to undeniably seal the deal.
This squad beat the All Blacks in New Zealand in 2018 to end a nine-year drought. They backed it up by losing at home a fortnight later, before a draw and another loss in 2019.
So, under Erasmus as head coach, they are 25 percent against New Zealand. That is not going to earn you respect down here, far from it.’
Nobody said we are crap….this journalist said our record doesn’t justify the chest beating. My point is we could be much better.
What chest beating?
Lurid headlines like this on rugby24
Magical Kolbe, evergreen Steyn: Desperate Boks scrap, claw way to brutal British Lions series triumph`
Triumph?
No actually it’s a well researched article, which sets the record straight. Jake was great in his first 2 years, his 3rd year was wrecked by politics and he won the WC in his 4th year. And he attained the number one ranking in November 2007, just before the Bools finally got him.
Now ironically he’s restoring the Bools franchise. Jake will go anywhere to compete….he would never have pulled the chicken run or Berrygate.
2017 was better than 2018. 50% vs England, 0% vs Wales, 50% vs Argentina. You get the picture. Our rugby became worse over time, not better. South Africa were ranked 5th heading into the WC. Double ranking points and a fortuitous schedule where NZ were faced in the group and not a knockout round, as well as a depleted Welsh side meant the Boks leapfrogged up the rankings. They were not dominant going into the WC and they were not dominant in any WC game against tier 1 opponents until England. Get your facts straight Unteromlet.
Wales is better than England...and has been for a few seasons already...and the Japs beat Ireland and the best Scots team in years.
The article provides nothing. It is all about the modern game: deflecting, digressing, sidetracking, misplaced whataboutism etc
The games were dull, which does not mean they were boring. Most people who hate on rugby enjoy this kind of games as they see it as a way of destroying rugby.
The lions, while being a collection of talented individuals, trained and drilled properly, contrary to SA players, are just that: a collection. All of them were at the end of an excrutiating season, all of them had little time to prepare. They were the side expected to deliver a minimal game plan performance.
Yet they took up the mantle of entertaining, trying to promote the game. Which may have caused their demise, because the lack of SA game plan could be countered at the cost of more dullness. Which the Lions did not want to afford as they are ambassadors for the game.
On the other side, an allegedly WC champion (in fact, as for the other titles, they were gifted by W of rugby in hope to kickstart rugby in SA, which will never happen), whose team has not changed so much over the past two years, with players as fresh as fresh and yet, was the one to deliver a sub par miminal game plan, or more exactly, a lack of game plan.
Receiving the Lions is an honour, that the home team must meet by showing brilliance, flamboyance, brio. Instead, it looked as if the Lions were the receiving side, the one that had to justify the honour.
This series was not about the Lions, they gave more than expected. It was about the host and the hosting was a disgrace. Instead of feeling it as an honour, the SA team perceived as a chore. They had to play rugby games, there was no enthusiasm, no love for the country, mere mercenaries on the pay roll. They could play for the Netherlands for most of them, which by the way would solve the globalistic scheme of having african teams in European competitions and at least, players could speak to each other in their home language, as afrikaneer is nothing more than dutch spoken by people who read too much the bible.
The element of surprise is a successful military concept...I think the same principal applies to all competitions of challenge.
The same old tactics over and over again eventually lose their power...one has to develope new tactics to outwit the opponent.No.SA lack of game plan is nothing like surprising. It is rigid, dull. It is all about grinding, grinding, grinding, grinding.
Trying to milk penalty after penalty, which puts an excessive pressure on referees and trying to get a mistake from the opposition by hammering the same sequence like up and unders.
The only try scored by SA came from a fluke. There is nothing in it. SA lack of gameplan is like playing the roulette, keep playing it over and over again under the right number and colour comes up.
Other teams are prisoners though of the necessity of promoting rugby, of trying to play rugby.Other teams could come with adequate ways of playing in order to beat the lack of rugby provided by SA. At the cost of ruining rugby even faster. That would be non games over non games.
SA know that the other sides enjoy rugby, want to promote rugby. SA keeps exploiting that angle to get results. The day other sides surrender to SA lack of rugby, the day rugby is dead.
So, no, there is no need to change tactics as long as others know they can not afford playing certain ways.
SA has never been able to play rugby, SA has always been the antithesis of rugby, the negation of the rugby game. They can not change, they can offer nothing else.
Jake was great in his first 2 years, his 3rd year was wrecked by politics and he won the WC in his 4th year. And he attained the number one ranking in November 2007, just before the Bools finally got him.
Now ironically he’s restoring the Bools franchise. Jake will go anywhere to compete….he would never have pulled the chicken run or Berrygate.
Is he the same guy who wrecked several european clubs, who had his favourites and pets, his players to shift the blame on...
Nothing good comes out from SA. This guy won a WC, just as the other won, that is thanks to favours from WR. This guy provided no different lack of rugby just as the other provides.
The SA brand of rugby does not change with coaches; SA has never been able to play rugby, they have always denied the game of rugby and its spirit.
Jake's third year was heavily influenced by injuries. We haven't suffered injuries like that since. I can't recall us suffering injuries like that before either.
How many injuries and of whom skapie?


