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The Bulls were poor - very, very poor

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Dec 2022, 16:40
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17 Dec 2022, 16:40#1

When I saw that Morne Steyn was playing at flyhalf and was even the captain I smelled a disaster coming up.   I changed my forecast from the Bulls losing by 7 points to the Bulls losing by 25 points - but even that was too conservative.     

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
17 Dec 2022, 16:57
#2
17 Dec 2022, 16:57#2

Gonna be many more cricket scores before the season ends. 

Apparently they fly economy. 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Dec 2022, 18:50
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17 Dec 2022, 18:50#3

So the Bulls conceded all those points entirely because of Morné, and you had a prophetic vision of this happening. I'm starting to see a pattern with you Mike...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Dec 2022, 19:30
#4
17 Dec 2022, 19:30#4

Morne is clueless as a flyhalf and more so as a captain.   Sorry - but he is past tense who should never be in any team.      

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Dec 2022, 21:07
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17 Dec 2022, 21:07#5

You said he is the reason why they lost. So without him, the Bulls would have won. That's a bold claim that requires some evidence Mike. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Dec 2022, 22:51
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17 Dec 2022, 22:51#6

I watched the game….Morne had nothing to do with their loss. The defence was atrocious, 3 man overlaps for Exeter. Morne threw some brilliant long passes that broke the backs free. He is also put in a brilliant stab kick that led directly to a try. But nothing could overcome the poor defence, the scrumming conceding many penalties and the failure to man up at the breakdown.


This is just the standard Clever tactic when there is a loss, of trying to blame everything on the player he dislikes, without producing any facts to support his case.

The man is pathetic.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Dec 2022, 23:04
#7
17 Dec 2022, 23:04#7

Mozart

So how many tackles dd Morne make - I saw one pass and one kick even the weakest flyhalfs would sometimes make.   

Unlike you I do look at overall performances and not single incidents.   On the whole the team performance was poor and he as the captain is supposed to make sure mistakes are not repeated and he failed to do so.   

Please tell me what the score was - it was indeed a disgraceful  performance by the team.   Ever since Morne started playing adult rugby he never was the captain of anything - I h ope to see that he never is made a captain of any team - he is poor enough as a player - he should not be in the team - and definitely not the captain of the team.           

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Dec 2022, 23:47
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17 Dec 2022, 23:47#8

A captain cannot make a bad player a good performer. Can Eben make Damian, Steph, and Kolisi good runners, carriers, tacklers and decision makers?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Dec 2022, 09:10
#9
18 Dec 2022, 09:10#9

L'Grande Merde

Experts throughout the world make Du Toit and De Allende top class players in world rugby - while idiotas like you think otherwise.  

How many tests were Etzeeth captain?  I can think of 2 only - in which tests De Jager performed better than Etzebeth as a lock.   In all other tests since 2018 Kolisi was captain and despite his deficiencies the teams performed better with him as captain - ten times better than they normally did under Meyer and Coetzee.

Your contributions on site as to the Springboks are jokes in bad taste.    LMAO


          

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
18 Dec 2022, 09:22
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18 Dec 2022, 09:22#10

No, Mike. You've introduced the concept of every individual's performance being directly tied to the captain. If we place the armband around Eben's arm, will that automatically make every individual a good performer because Eben is a good player? Besides, he is our only leader in the team anyway, irrespective of whether he wears a band or not. 

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Dec 2022, 13:52
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18 Dec 2022, 13:52#11

Drawing conclusions from that competition games usually requires to determine the  objectives set for said games.

Meaning that teams may or may not play fully, with all determination.

Actually, after reading on this board that this SA rugby side played well, last week first half game was watched to exhibit a lack of committment from the french side (air defending)

Then this week game was watched showing that the SA rugby side had a similar attitude (except this time it may be due to the last week game, players having not recovered enough to commit)

Rugby is not friendly to competitions overlapsing. Teams hierarchise theirs objectives, according to the money they make.

With this competition, many thrown games are expected.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Dec 2022, 15:31
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18 Dec 2022, 15:31#12

If you accept the ‘experts around the world’ who think the toothless Duds are good. No doubt Clever you agree with the ‘experts around the world’ who agree man is doomed because of global warming.

Dud Toit has an incredibly low win ratio as a player we only started to win against the Lions after he got hurt, and Dud Allende has single-handedly destroyed Bok back play for the last 7 years.

One only needs to observe with an open mind to see that this is true.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Dec 2022, 16:38
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18 Dec 2022, 16:38#13

l'Grande Merde

The fact is in the WC in 2019 - when Kolisi left the field the effective captaincy went to Du Toit - the one who spoke to the referee a number of times - and not Etzebeth.   t is normally the captain who speak to the referee and in his absence the acting captain. 

Mozart

What you know about rugby can be summarized in one word "prejudice".    Prejudice last for ten years and remain a stupid way to look at rugby and you admitted yourself you never credit either Du Toit or De Allende with anything good they do in games.   

I rather believe what expert players say about those two players and not a prejudiced idiot like you.   What destroyed backline play  is the idiotic flyhalfs you support all-out and the performance in the WC in 2015 proved that the elderly let down the team helped along by Meyer and Coetzee.   Erasmus - whom you hate for longer than a decade - saved SA rugby and the Springbok backline started functioning as a unit for the first time in 20 years.   

What has the issue to do with global warming - which I regard as a political farce anyway.         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Dec 2022, 16:50
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18 Dec 2022, 16:50#14

So you do believe the experts…got to buy global warming then. You either believe experts slavishly or expect them to justify their points of view. You apparently are in the slavish belief camp.

And the only difference between HM and Harrassmiss is Harrassmiss almost lost to a weak Welsh team in the semis, where he was saved by that  man Louw who you denigrated. Whereas  HM almost beat the best AB team this century, only losing because Dud Allende failed to tackle Nonu.

Case closed.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Dec 2022, 23:26
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18 Dec 2022, 23:26#15

As die hond nie gebol het nie. het hy die haas gevang.

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becsPro4,378 posts
18 Dec 2022, 23:44
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18 Dec 2022, 23:44#16

Well, Exeter played fairly well ! 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
18 Dec 2022, 23:50
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18 Dec 2022, 23:50#17

Meyer made some major selection gaffs that didn't pay off. Reinach and Lambie on the 2014 EOYT was a disaster. Damian and Kriel lost several key tests of 2015. Lood was a disaster who failed against Wales and New Zealand. I wonder how many of those who criticised Meyer criticised these performances. You can talk about coaching, but you have to win your one-on-one battles. That's entirely down to you. A great player will still win those battles in a poorly coached team. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Dec 2022, 23:53
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18 Dec 2022, 23:53#18

Well if Dud Allende is the hond, he is certainly no windhond.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Dec 2022, 00:19
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19 Dec 2022, 00:19#19

Mozart

You lied every time you discover a so-called deficiency like De Allende causing the Barrett try in 2015 WC semi.   You should be ashamed of  yourself - it was proved 209 times over you lied to support BS.

You lied about what happened in the Wales match in 2019 and the match was a draw when Louw "saved" the Springbok victory.   You were stupid to disregard totally the try scored by De Allende earlier in the game and your deduction is total BS.   If the penalty did not occur - the match would have gone into extra-time and that would have decided the match.

To discuss anything with you and not accept lies as your means of interpreting anything is impossible.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Dec 2022, 01:49
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19 Dec 2022, 01:49#20

It was never proven. I never lie, unlike you.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Dec 2022, 06:54
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19 Dec 2022, 06:54#21

You dream up BS that never happened real in games and then publish it on site.   The list of that BS stories was endless and since it was based on things that you think should have happened it was nothing more than concocted lies.      

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
19 Dec 2022, 09:00
#22
19 Dec 2022, 09:00#22

Damian's great try? Walking into open space? But the try saving acts of Louw did save the game, a very poor game which we really didn't deserve to win. As for Damian, he accosted Nonu about half the length of the field. He couldn't make one tackle. It reminds me of the tackle against England in 2018, where he accosted the runner all the way to the try line. Damian is a very weak player. Big, but weak. His tackles are weak and ineffective and his carries are also weak. Most of his carries are splattered for losses. The others are simple hunched barrels into defenders for mere millimetres or a weak body position by a defender for small gains where he is driven forward by one or two Boks. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Dec 2022, 20:18
#23
19 Dec 2022, 20:18#23
Stravino Jacobs on the wing for the Bulls looks a class act as does vd Linde at 9
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Dec 2022, 05:47
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21 Dec 2022, 05:47#24

Dave one must really ignore l'Grande Merde and Mozart when they write shit on site since they probably are the two most rugby idiots in the world at present.   They do not mind to lie to try and support their BS and  l'Merde used three lies in his last posting.   Amazing!!!!!!!!      

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