The day the side with a soft underbelly and no attacking ability put the Samoans in their place

What a match. Hope ou Doos gets to see this! 

Hey Doos all is forgiven, your brand of entertainment is missed. Hahahahahahahahaha

The Boks in spite of Erasmus as Peeper aptly put it and because of Pollard won the cup by getting heads three times in a row…hence Eluckmiss.

The departure of Deus dropped the Board IQ significantly.

Deus left because that's what he does...he'll be back in a while...with a new nick...he's got outlandish ideas, but he's no coward...he'll be back...and stand by the same ideas.

Deus has Eluckmiss by 30 IQ points

Doos went ballistic when the Boks won. He was even wore than the frot mozzzie. I have never seen a supposedly Bok supporter insult the Boks and of course Rassie like he did. 

The poor guy was egged on by the malignant mozzzie. They both considered themselves highly intelligent and very knowledgeable about rugby. For years Mozzie attacked Rassie and made as ass of himself. Along the way he acquired Doos as a sidekick and much of what happened to Doos subsequently can be blamed on Mozzzie's bad influence. 

Mozzie's solution to all his bad mouthing of Bok rugby and the coach was to make post after post claiming this win all about luck and one player Pollard. he could never rejoice in the win and see what it had really entailed.

Doos took another route. Thoroughly embarrassed he departed the humiliating scene.

Its all a bit of a tragedy. People talk about Trump Derangement syndrome. But Rassie Derangement Syndrome played out in front of our eyes and led to the demise of one poster. Mozzzie tried to bluff his way through the debacle thinking he could con the board and succeed in devaluing this amazing RWC win. He didn't succeed but he did get Plumster as a side kick and I really wonder where that one will end up.

Personally I hope ou Doos does come back although he must understand his insulting of the Boks is totally unacceptable.

He didn't understand the game but never realised this. Some of his takes were completely absurd. But its all grist to the mill.

An amazing genius no doubt….all he needed was Pollard kicking 9 in a row (probability 7.5%)…Ramos, Mo’unga and Barrett missing kicks they would normally make,  Caine  getting a dubious red and Steward failing to end the game by kicking deep, gifting the Boks a scrum penalty inside his half.

Incredible that he visualized all those things and incorporated it in his game plan. Hahaha…you can fool some of the people all of the time.

Yes of course Doos was an ignorant yet self-important rugby noob and a weak coward . . . but he did add some great comedy value to the board.

He'll come crawling back with a new name hoping the humiliation has passed . . . as he's done in the past about 35 times already . . . it's how he rolls.

Rassie's cult members you say Plumster        Bwahahahhahahahahahaha why not give credit to a coach with 2 RWC wins. Who has don us proud.

Talk about sour grapes. 

Beeno, the ever-tribalist...

Here is exactly what I have said about Rassie on this site...

1) I could not stand that Meyer was happy for us to be 3rd best in the world and stay there. During Meyer's tenure, I specifically said I would like a coach who is willing to take chances and lose some games against inferior teams if it means we beat the All Blacks more regularly and have a real chance of beating the best teams in the world. And that is exactly what Rassie did so I cannot complain. I said that here...very recently.

2) That Russie has won silverware and that you can argue with numbers/legacy.

3) That most of Rassie's selections are exactly the players I would select... other than DDA because I cannot stand him.

4) That this run from 1/4s to the final is the greatest in Rugby history and responsible for probably the best WC of all time.

I could go on.

The problem, Beeno, is that you cannot stand when somebody has a different opinion to you. For somebody to be the worst of the worst, they simply have to disagree with you. Evil = Don't be a Trump supporter. Unpatriotic = have a criticism of Rassie...

You need to get over yourself and realise that your consciousness is NOT the seat of all the truth in the universe.

And yes, the use of the term "Cult" is exactly right. The way some guys here respond to any criticism of him is exactly how people respond when their cult leader is discussed in any negative light. It's about an accurate description as there is.

I honestly can't understand why you would try to make it appear as though I'm not stoked that we won the WC. What are your motivations? Does it make it easier for you when you can people on the other side of the fence? Are you afraid of nuance...of middle ground...of grey areas?

Tell me, do you actually want a world where everybody is in complete agreement with you, all the time? It seems like it.

"I honestly can't understand why you would try to make it appear as though I'm not stoked that we won the WC. What are your motivations? "

ButtPlug, when your master told us how "dispiriting" this RWC win was you immediately went full Servile Gimp and started defending him and agreeing with all his laughable reasons why we shouldn't have won.

Go back and check if you don't believe me.

Nothing more repulsive to me than a suck-up. Baboon-ou used to be the biggest suck-up of them all but at least he's seen the light . . . as have a few others. You still fawn and grovel and beg for little crumbs of approval . . . from a pompous and self-important old loser nogal. 

LMAO!

Tribalism, cult members because we support a coach who achieved great things. Really. Get a grip Plum.

Where is you criticism of mozzzie who has been after Rassie for many years. Is he a member of a tribe/cult who is anti Rassie. Why the silence?

Your one eyed take on matters and calling Crusader fan a drunk rather upsets you positioning of yourself as the voice of reason. Bwahahhahahahahahahaa

 But I give you credit for what you said about Rassie above as  you were right.

Bye the way defending what you believe is correct and debunking nonsense is the way to go! Hence my vigorously opposing men in women's sports and calling those people who support this crazy loons. No apologies either. Society would be much healthier adopting my mainstream views than going down the perverted woke rabbit hole. Ditto on many subjects.

Nope no chance of me stopping calling our perverted, Luciferian corruption. Others can have their opinions, I don't call for censorship like the Stalinist left does, but if they are wrong they get notified. 

ai...we love free speech so much but we quickly forget that free speech means defending the right of others to say things we disagree with. It's the most important part of free speech unless you can provide me a more foundational element to this thing we supposedly value so dearly.

Tell me, do you guys want to log on here and only see everybody worshipping Rassie?

If that, and similar, was the case here then I'd have evacuated the space ages ago.

Variety of opinions boys, it's necessary? 

Beeno, you quickly forget how I defend your opinions regarding religion, even though I have never agreed with them. I have written essays in that regard on here. But that understanding isn't enough. No, one must be 100% on the same ground, or else nothing is worth anything. Moz has done the same. Now, how many non-believers here have done that? 

Could it perhaps be that it is because both Moz and myself can entertain and defend ideas even if we don't agree with them? 

I didn't see you complain when I entertained your ideas without actually believing them. 

Ah, but offering others the same privilege is too much. 

It's funny how basic this place can be. 

The truth is, Moz is simply smarter than you guys. It's very evident and anyone reading the posts on here can glean that within about two minutes. And I think that grates on both of you. ITs actually pretty funny.

Don't walk away from smarter people chaps. Walk to them.

It'll benefit you in the end.

but okay, lets do this...

I'll show how rapidly we can run out of ground, Beeno, and demonstrate how I've offered you far more leeway than I have ever offered Mozart.

"Bye the way defending what you believe is correct and debunking nonsense is the way to go! "

Okay...

You claim to "KNOW" the universe is a creation...created by the God YOU believe in.

Tell me how you KNOW this.

I'll warn you beforehand that in the discussion to follow, I will allow you none of the reprieve that I have previously.

Here we go...

Poor ou Plumster stumbling and bumbling along. Now he says we are worshiping Rassie. Such a load of nonsense. We have simply defended Rassie against one scurrilous attack by Mozzie and his doos over a period of years. And guess what we were proven correct.

We told Mozzie he was hopelessly wrong about Du Toit and we were of course right. For a supposedly smart man mozzzie has been a disaster. 

Mozzz is actually not that smart. He gets caught out again and again as you must have noticed. He has been schooled by Mike who has simply demolished poor mozzzie. Left Mozzzz is in tatters. Hahahahahahahahahaha

So here is just one simply proof that for some reason has escaped you Plumster. Science currently is telling us once there was nothing. There was  thena big bang and now we have the Universe. So if there was always nothing how can there be something here now. ONLY SOME THING ETERNAL EXPLAINS WHY SOMETHING EXISTS TODAY. 

Science has in fact proved God. As has the human genome. 

By the way Plumster don't flatter yourself I don't want or need any leeway from you or anybody else.

As for entertaining my ideas or anybody else's ideas by all means consider them but if you don't agree have the honesty to say so. Leave the devious games to that old deceiver Mozzzie.

Dave Rassie's record has been fantastic. Mozzzie's campaign to devalue the Boks RWC win as a means of devaluing Rassie has failed dismally. That list of yours blows up all their nonsense.

Pity to see Plumster going down the tubes as a poster. W ill he recover his sanity one wonders.

Ok, Beeno, lets have a look at some of the problems with your statement...

"So here is just one simply proof that for some reason has escaped you Plumster. Science currently is telling us once there was nothing. There was  thena big bang and now we have the Universe. So if there was always nothing how can there be something here now. ONLY SOME THING ETERNAL EXPLAINS WHY SOMETHING EXISTS TODAY."

1) You assume that your mind should be capable of understanding the origin of the universe. Science MUST be able to explain it to you and if it can't then a God must have created it. So before human beings could fly in the sky, as we now know we can, were people saying that since the smartest minds of the time could not explain how humans can fly, that only God can fly in the sky? 

2) Science does not state that there was 'nothing' before the big bang. Maybe some scinetists do, but that is not the general position of "science". If you bothered to read scientific papers on the matter you will find that a) science admits it doesn't now know what led to the big bang, b) there may be many big bangs occurring within a much more vast universe than we currently believe the universe to be and c) there may have been different universes before this universe. 

3) Assuming the universe is a creation, you have ZERO evidence of the fact that the Judeo-Christian God is its creator. There are countless religions far older than yours, and often with far more sensible explanations, which describe the creation of the universe by the hands of a  singular or a plural collection of Gods. 

4) Your assumption that I believe the universe to have sprung about from nothing is a) a misrepresentation, since I have never said that, because I do not believe it to be true and b) a refuge often made use of by people in your position and more of a strawman argument than anything else. 

So, of the very many explanations and ideas out there for how the universe may have come about, and because humans have a very limited, often primitive, understanding of reality, are you really qualified to come on here and preach your specific beliefs to people when you are one of those people? And then to look down upon, and put words in the mouths of people that may have a different view to yours?

Here, let me prove it to you...

Without Googling it, tell me how many laws of thermodynamics there are and what they are.

See, I don't think you can. I'm also of the opinion that you know as little as everyone else here about physics and are likely unable to write down a single meaningful equation related to reality. 

Now, that's fine...no harm in not being a physicist.

But one does wonder, when you know so little about the nature of reality, what qualifies you to opine on what reality is and what made it?

Many very smart people have devoted their lives to understanding these things. Many of them have peeled back layers and given us a far greater understanding of the world than we previously had. They did exactly what religion tells them to do...to work hard, to help themselves and seek understanding, and to be unshaken in their devotion to truth.

And the religious zealots, how do they treat these people?

Oh, that's right, they call them fools, idiots, Satan worshippers and and and...

Exactly, M!

Actually I’m planning to reread the Gospel according to Matthew. It’s the most comprehensive of the gospels and it’s been a while. In the meantime I have read countless books about Roman and Greek mythology. 

Why not reread the work that literally gave us our moral code and legal sensibilities? It’s not a long read, some 50 pages. It might be an interesting mini book club project if any other posters are willing to set aside an hour or two.

So Harrassmiss who has become Eluckmiss..  what’s the my take. Firstly he was crucial for Bok success. He took us back to our rugby roots and restored belief in the Bok players. It took a Springbok to discard the expansionist doctrine that was pervasive in the press. We had to play like the All Blacks to be successful. Many on here, who are now big Erasmus fans were all in on this view.

The answer was the opposite, we had to go back to what we did well….sometimes as long ago as the eighties eg scrumming which was a lost art. Get that platform right and we could compete with any team. Harrassmiss saw that and doubled down on that.

But Bok rugby was never only about that. We had great backlines in 1938, 1955, 1960, 1968 and throughout the Danie Gerber era. And we have incredibly fine backs today. To see instead Faf, who had a brilliant break when young, hoisting box kick after box kick…ignored that whole other dimension.

That style makes every match an arm wrestle….and the knockouts were the ultimate arm wrestle…..they could instead have been Twickenham in August. We wasted Esterhozen, Willemse, Kolbe and Arendse.

It’s obvious to every thinking person we were very lucky to get through three one point games. Rather than a sure route to success our tactics brought teams like England into the game.

So I think Erasmus was right initially, but our team has only played to its full potential once….the WC2019 final.

As for the culture, not competing in 2020 was not in the spirit of the game…..and refgate reduced the Lions tour to an ugly controversy. Both unnecessary and reflecting poorly on South African sportsmanship which has always been something to admire.

So I see a talented but limited man, who has been fabulously successful….but hasn’t grown our game. Our tactics are 50 years old and our players are 31 years old. 

Oh my word poor plumster doesn't even know that scientific consensus is that once there was nothing and now there is something. He does suggest scientist don't know why there is something given there was nothing. Hahahahaha. 

The other scientuc consensus today is that matter is not ertenal. It once didn't exist neither did soace or time. Science changed its stance on this one and I stunned poor Rooitwit by pointing this out. 

You are obviously a beginner on the subject. Keep an open mind and you will be in for a great surprise. God exists and always had. The Bible knew a this long before science caught up on tbe issue. Hahahaha. 

Steven Hawkins infamously said that because of the law of gravity (where did that law come from) the Universe would create itself out of nothing.

Einstein said  nonsense is nonsense no matter how brilliant the mind that expresses it. 

No Plumster nothing can't create a damn thing. Only liars and loons think that. 

So the biblical explanation of an eternal being creating the Universe is far more plausible than nothing creating the universe. 

Logic tells us clearly nothing can't create anything. All science  has done is told us there was once nothing and now there is something. Science has thus inadvertently proved there is an eternal being who created everything.

The fact God may have created multiple universes is of no relemance to the debate. It is in any event pure speculation.

You lamely try to suggest even if God exists he may not be the God of the Bible. Hahahahahahaha. Hilarious stuff from the Plumster. 

The eternal bring who created this stupendous Universe is a being of amazing Intelligence power and wisdom. Just like He is described in the Bible. Jesus took a few loaves and fishes and fed the 5,000 and there were baskets left over. Jesus created all this out of nothing. Sounds like the God who created everything to me. 

However the main point at this stage was to prove that there was a God and this has been successfully achieved. 

The argument here is not about the God of the gaps. Ie if we don't know something we say it is God who did it. The appeal here is to pure logic. Nothing can't create anything. 

Plumster if you think the human mind is incapable of having any understandungvif how the Universe formed then what are you arguing about. Best be quiet as you have no clue. You clearly struggle with simple logic that nobody has been able to break. A universe cannot create itself out of nothing etc. 

So how did a Universe arise out of nothing Plumster. How did it all happen without God being involved.

How did the human genome get written using a 4 character alphabet and forming the longest word in history of over 3 bkion character. 

Each DNA stand having some 360 VOLUMES of encyclopedia Brittanica worth of INFORMATION. Information doesn't happen randomly. Hence world leading atheist Antony Flu coming to a belief in God and saying it was the INFORMATION in nature that led him to God.

Science has been very busy proving the existence of God. The Bible says the heavens declare the glory of God.

By the way Plumster you talk about my views apart from the Bible I have the work of scientists as a reference.

The biological scientists has done a amazing job of showing the incredible creation of life by God. 

Trying to make out these are only my views is pure nonsense.