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The day the side with a soft underbelly and no attacking ability put the Samoans in their place

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jan 2024, 09:49
#41
06 Jan 2024, 09:49#41

The second law of thermo dynamics states everything is in a state of DECAY. ie the Universe has an ending. Any thing that has an ending is not eternal and has a beginning. 

This law once again is a proof of an eternal God. 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Jan 2024, 09:50
#42
06 Jan 2024, 09:50#42
Nah, I'll be quiet when I want to and talk when I want to, thanks. You have espoused the false narrative that science believes the universe to have come about from nothing. You say that because it's what you've seen YouTube videos and read on creationist websites. But the simple fact is that it is NOT TRUE. That is NOT the position of science. That is a creationist straw man argument, nothing more. Now, you're always talking about truth and justice. So let's test your zeal. Go and do some actual research. It's very easy these days and you can even enlist the help of Bard AI to quickly find prominent scientific papers on the matter... Here, I will ask ChatGPT on your behalf... Question - "Does the Big Bang theory assume or state that the universe came about from nothing?" ChatGPT - "No, the Big Bang theory does not assume the universe came about from nothing. It describes the rapid expansion from a hot, dense state, but does not specifically address what preceded this state or how it came into existence." Okay...I can save you some time and tell you that ChatGPT is 100% correct in its summary. So what now? Is really me that doesn't know what I'm talking about? But more importantly, do you actually believe that The Big Bang theory claims that the universe popped into existence from nothing? You seem to believe that IE it is your view. Let's deal with this "nothing" idea of yours first, put it to bed, and then we can move on to the next supposed claims for creationism. Let's see how long are able to remain civil in this discourse. I'm guessing, much like the second law of thermodynamics, this conversation will decay over time, as we slowly shoot the Judeo-Christian view of the universe down. But, as I said, let's start with the strawman "nothing" topic first.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jan 2024, 10:07
#43
06 Jan 2024, 10:07#43

Power speaks about Rassie being lucky. He doesn't mention that Rassie had key players out. The world's best hooker for a starter and a turnover king. We saw what Kwagga's turnover ment. Marx was a collosal loss. Also very solid when throwing in and very powerful scrummager. This absence ment Bongi could not be in the bomb squad. 

Then we had Lood out. Lood is a fine lock and a master at the lineouts. He was a big loss. 

Two of your Frontline tight 5 gone. 

We missed  Pollard in the opening games. We would have beaten Ireland had Pollard played. 

We missed the silky skills of Am. A fully fit Am is probly the best outside center in the game. Very creative. 

We would not have been talking about 1 point wins had Marx, Lood and Am been fully fit and available. We would certainly have gone through UNBEATON. 

The big point and one which the increasingly servile gimp Plumster refuses to acknowledge is that  Mozzzie has been smearing Rassie for close on a decade. It has been unrelenting. He pretends to be objective by his bias shines through. 

Happily poor mozzzue has utterly failed. Rassie now has 2 World Cup win and a battery of other achievements. 

So congrats to all who were not conned by the con artist Mozzie! 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2024, 14:36
#44
06 Jan 2024, 14:36#44
Lomp was no loss….Mostert is far better. Am could have been a loss if Eluckmiss was willing to pass the ball….in the defensive game we played, Kriel was better suited, Marx was a loss, but we all know he would have played for 20 mins.
So it was the 20 minute delta between Marx and Bongi vs 40 minute delta between Caine and nothing.
Nope everything went Eluckmiss’ way ….but without Pollard he would have lost, Case closed.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2024, 14:50
#45
06 Jan 2024, 14:50#45

In the Anglican religion one of the prayers ends with ‘world without end….amen’.  A hard concept to grasp, but a more optimistic one than Revelations.

Even more difficult is the idea of  ‘world without a beginning’. Existence always existed, that’s the central fact. How it evolved into producing our world can partially be explained by science, but only with considerable speculation and after a point in time where existence was infinitely old.

We can be sure the world is not just a few thousand years old. The missing time between creation and the birth of Christ as described in the Bible is not even a debate.

What’s more interesting  is whether Christ at any time endorsed that Old Testament view. Something I will be looking for when I reread Matthew.

The standard religious tactic when challenged is to call such questions a ‘sin’ with unclear but radical punishment. That’s in every religion. Don’t allow questions. But if you follow the creationist logic, we were given enquiring minds. We needed them for survival.

As time goes by our increasing capabilities may shed further light on some questions….but a million years from now we still won’t have solved ‘world without a beginning’.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2024, 15:11
#46
06 Jan 2024, 15:11#46
Bullshit Moz they did match that we scored more tries than most of our opponents, dominated more scrums leading to penalties etc You are speaking shit
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2024, 15:57
#47
06 Jan 2024, 15:57#47
So if our opponents kicked all their penalties…..like Pollard did….France would have won and the ABs would have won. I’m afraid you just can’t grasp this simple logic. We won because we had the more accurate kicker, not because our team created more opportunities.
I actually went back to check France because Libbok was involved. He missed a conversion and a penalty. Ramos for France missed a conversion and 2 penalties.
Pollard made all his kicks. If Ramos kicks at 80%, the Bok average, he makes one of the penalties he missed. France wins by two.
If he makes all his kicks, like Pollard….France win by 5!
If Libbok stayed on the park and kicked at 50% which he was doing….he misses one more kick and France wins by 2.
Any way you cut it Pollard made the difference….not all the Eluckmiss smoke and mirrors,
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
06 Jan 2024, 17:11
#48
06 Jan 2024, 17:11#48
Yes Rassie does have luck….to win three knockout games in row with 1 point, you do need the Rub of the green or a 50/50 Reff call your way….that is called luck….what Moz is saying is very simple, create more opportunities so you don’t have to rely so much on the Element of luck….this is not bashing or bad mouthing, it’s logical.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Jan 2024, 18:26
#49
06 Jan 2024, 18:26#49
...not if you're in the Cult of Rassie. Then it's not logical at all.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jan 2024, 18:47
#50
06 Jan 2024, 18:47#50

What the old deceiver is saying is consistent with what he has tried to do for almost a decade. Devalue Rassie. That is the real purpose of all his whining about the Bok RWC triumph.

All the loon sees is luck and Pollard. Poor Mozzzietard has become a laughing stock. His side kick had more self awareness an realised the jig was up and left. Mozzzietard has such a big ego he thinks people are going to accept his drivel. 

As Dave has said, this was the toughest path to a RWC and luck and a good goal kicker would NEVER have been enough without numerous other factors coming into play.

Anybody not realizing that Lood is a world class lineout forward simply has no clue whatsoever. Mostert is not in the same class.

In the semi final and final it was raining. These conditions have never suited a Bok side. We are not good wet weather players which is understandable given our climate. Some oaks with short memories forget what happened in the tests preceding the semis and finals and just how good the Bok attack was.

This Bok side overcame all obstacles. They never chocked, their courage and determination was second to NONE. They never conceded defeat. That great Pieter Steph Du Toit, a forward despised by mozzietard, epitomised what this team was about. 

What Mozzzietard has tried to do is play down or ignore the Bok strengths apart from Pollard. To this disgraceful fake Bok supporter its was all luck and Pollard. Man what a joke Mozzzietard has become!

Away with the mozzzietard. Go and support the wee abs turncoat!



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2024, 19:52
#51
06 Jan 2024, 19:52#51

You miss the point HasBeen, I don’t care what you or anybody else thinks. 

Your points:

1 It was a tough path to the WC final. But we lost to Ireland and played NZ down a man.

2 Lood is a world class lineout forward…nope…pretty average. His loss made no difference in 2019 and it made no difference in 2023. In 2015 he was splattered by Kaino for a crucial try in a close game:

Lood de Jager 6

Brushed off by Jerome Kaino for New Zealand’s sixth minute try – not what you expect from an 18st13lb lock.

3 It was raining in the semis…..it was a light drizzle…perfectly playable conditions.

4 The Boks never conceded defeat….fair point, we had a lot of veterans. 

5 Dud Toit epitomized what the teams about…yep tackling. Lots of hot air about his tackles in the final….Mostert made the same number of tackles per minute played, and unlike Dud missed none. But he had a good if narrow game.

7 To this disgraceful Bok supporter it was all luck and Pollard. Nope there were lots of contributions by Eben, Fourie, Kwagga etc. But our opponents had similar contributions by Telea, Aaron Smith and Savea…..the difference was the card(luck) and Pollard.

The jackass goes down again!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2024, 15:12
#52
07 Jan 2024, 15:12#52
Oh what utter shit that the difference was Pollard fuck sake only an utter fool would conclude a game was down to one individual and that everything that happens for 80 min or the input of our awesome coach counts for nothing beating France, England and NZ to win the WC get a fucking grip It was a bloody awesome achievement by a great side directed by the best coach we have ever had - fact As for Lood we missed him big time he is twice the lock useless powder puff Mostert is. Had Lood been fit we would have had Lood starting with RG on the bench - two real locks instead of one pretender who runs around making process tackles all game and adding zero physical productivity As Matfield said - Lood is the best 5 in the game - he should know
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2024, 15:43
#53
07 Jan 2024, 15:43#53
Oh and by the way the opposition missing kicks is no different to Kolisi not making a simple pass to put his man away for a try 14 men vs a Bok side down to 14 men for 20 min and no hooker for 78min
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2024, 17:24
#54
07 Jan 2024, 17:24#54

ABs down for 50 minutes on the red/yellow and 10 more minutes for Frizell at the start.  The Boks down for 10 minutes on the Kolisi,,,,should have been a red…tackle, and the Kolbe yellow.

Net time the ABs were down a man 40minutes. Handicap 2.5 points per 10 minutes. The ABs had a 10 point handicap. 

Zero handicap for Fourie…..that was Eluckmiss’ choice, he clearly thought Fourie added more than a replacement hooker.

And yes Kolisi botched the pass, but there were plenty of general play screw ups….they all amounted to a stalemate and the game was decided by Pollard’s superior boot.

Up a man for the whole half we should have torched the ABs but Harrassmiss’ risk averse tactics have created a team that is more comfortable defending than attacking.

The game was won by Pollard, but almost lost through a series of selection and tactical  decisions made by your hero. I have seen hero worship before, but nothing as blind as this. Why would you want to be a groupie….admit it, Dud Allende was a mistake, box kick everything was a mistake, the bench was a mistake.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2024, 18:34
#55
07 Jan 2024, 18:34#55

Now lets get the situation discussed above into perspective.   

First of all lets deal with Doos.  He had been  on site for many years  and must hae used at least 12 user names  in that period.   Unfortunately he will be back to cntiinue his BS on site.  It will be easy to identiy him.     Just imply Meyer was a bad coach and he will scream BS on site.

Mozart is another complte idiot..    When it was announced that Erasmus were appointed  as Director of Rugby and that he will handle the duties of both that position and coaching of the  Springbok team until the world cup Mozart came up with a classic on site.   He said that the appointment of Rrasmus would turn out to be a disaser and that it would have been better to retain Coetzee as Head Coach. 

The attacks on Erasmus started in 2015 whe h as thouh to be a replacment for the disastrous Meyer - but got really venomous  as from 2018.    Initially he lied about Erasmus' caeer in the coaching field and did not even bother to check whether his statents on site was true.   

That issue went on through 2018 and 2018, despite the S pinmgboks won the 2019 RC.   Mozart's attack on Erasmus was started afresh when  the Springboks beat the Welsh in  the semi.     However for about a week after the final it was announced that a new head coiach would be appointed to take over the coaching fuctions.   Mozart screamed about Erasmus; inability to take responsibility for anything.   The fact that Erasmus was never appointed as Had Coach and did the coaching on an iterim basis never entered his mind.   There were two other conditions contained in his contract of appointment and those were 

  *    that the selecion committee system is to be abolished and selection would be done by the Director of Rugby and the coaches invovled;

 *     that SARU would deal with appointment of ciach es based on Erasmus' recomendation.

Mozart then went bananas about the second cndition mentioned and claimed that it did not exist -  but that  Erasmus was a coward refusing to take responsibility for anyhing.

That waqs followed by his "Chicken story about non-participation of the Springboks in the 2020 RC due to the Covid issue.  That dxecision was taken by the SARU Board and not Erasmus and wa based on a variety of factors.   

That was followed by his constant jeremediats about how SA will be out fo the WC without reaching the play-offs,    When that did not happen  he changed his tactics and claimed that the only reaon why the Springbosk won the WC in 2023 was because  Pollard converted four panalties and the AB's  should have won the match and the reasomn he used was the red cart. 

So far there is no news about the Appointment .of the New Head Coach  - but one thing  is for sure - if the new Head coach succeed - Mozart would claim that it happened despite of Erasmus.   If he failed it Mozart will claim ithat it is s the result of having  Eraasmus being around.   

It is now near to 6 years of constantly atatcking Erasmus based on lies and prejudice.- so on sho uld realize we are dedaling here with a total prejudiced rugby idiot.        .                                           .     

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2024, 21:05
#56
07 Jan 2024, 21:05#56
Bullshit the game was not won by Pollard it was was won by the 23 and our brilliant coach We were down to 14 men for 20 min of the game - fact Having no specialist hooker and the fact that it was raining meant we could not press home the numerical advantage - fact The fact that the AB’s missed a kick or two is no different to scoring opportunities like the non Kolisi pass not being taken. Rugby is full of if and buts but it’s won by 23 players over a period of 80 min being directed by a brilliant coach Our win is made that much more remarkable by virtue of the fact that we had to beat France, England and NZ to achieve it. Fucking awesome performance by a great side directed by the best coach the Boks have ever had
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2024, 23:46
#57
07 Jan 2024, 23:46#57

50+10-10-10 =40 if you can’t be sure just looking at it, use a calculator.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jan 2024, 11:48
#58
08 Jan 2024, 11:48#58
NZ had 14 men for longer than the Boks did, that has never been disputed But given we had no hooker we were unable to press home the numerical advantage in the set pieces coupled with the fact it was raining If you can’t see that you don’t know the game But despite the hooker handicap our astute coach was savvy enough to work out that Fourie’s contributions in general play outweighed his failings in the set pieces - therein lies the genius of Rassie We all would have selected a specialist hooker on the bench
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jan 2024, 15:37
#59
08 Jan 2024, 15:37#59

Genius, pure genius……choose a sub hooker who nullifies our lineout advantage. Nonsense of course,  our maul never worked against England or France or Ireland either. We never scored one maul try in a key game at the WC. Even against Scotland with Marx playing.

Kapow! Up goes another bullshit argument in a puff of smoke.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jan 2024, 17:07
#60
08 Jan 2024, 17:07#60
We scored more tries than England and France, we had no specialist hooker in the final but still won You don’t beat France, England then NZ in the greatest challenge in the game with a coach who does not know his stuff To imply the opposite smacks of utter rugby ignorance. The problem here is, this is not a rugby thing for you it’s pathetically personal. You don’t like Rassie - I’m actually not sure why exactly but the joke is you like Jake who let’s face it is a complete prick or so the players say You are a strange one Moz But we all know how great Rassie is. The country knows it, world rugby knows it Just read an article where Reinach says Rassie is the greatest coach the Boks have ever had and he is so pleased he is staying involved Apparently the Boks are in good hands
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jan 2024, 20:15
#61
08 Jan 2024, 20:15#61

...it's easier to hate...

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jan 2024, 20:19
#62
08 Jan 2024, 20:19#62
No grounds for that hate at all
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