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The DDA hype machine rolls on

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 May 2024, 17:08
#41
23 May 2024, 17:08#41

So there are no other good locks apart from Lomp and he has to play a powder puff? What utter balls. Eluckmiss rates Mostert highly…..just as most rugby pundits do. He is a brilliant, durable player who is excellent in the lineouts and defense.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2024, 18:05
#42
23 May 2024, 18:05#42
Yeah there are loads of better locks but experience and knowing the system counts for plenty - plus no doubt Mostert fits into Rassie’s type of person - he is full of heart and energy, he is durable, a good team man, a fit It’s just a pity Rassie did not see through all that and see him for what he really is and that’s a physical liability incapable of imposing himself physically where it counts I’m a huge Rassie fan but he is not perfect - he has got it totally wrong when it comes to Mostert but thankfully he does prefer Lood and no doubt prefers RG, who hopefully will now stay injury free so that he starts alongside Eben for the foreseeable future I will rejoice in the day Mostert is history - turning 34 this year thankfully means that time is fast approaching We have some real class coming through at lock in Ruben v Heerden and Ruan Vermaak, both far far better locks than powder puff
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
23 May 2024, 18:13
#43
23 May 2024, 18:13#43

So let's get this straight: Mostert who finishes game after game is the powderpuff, but Lood "my shoulders keep popping out so I can't even play" De Jager is the real lock? If you want to see powderpuff, check Lood's attempted tackle on Vunipola in the 2019 WC Final that popped his shoulder yet again.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2024, 18:40
#44
23 May 2024, 18:40#44
Injuries don’t define your physicality - wake up Pakie for crying out loud Are you saying RG is not physical? Powder puff has NEVER put in a big hit, or smashed a player backwards when running into them. Fuck me powder puff could not even clean out the18 year old Georgian fullback - that’s how physically feeble he is
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2024, 03:48
#45
24 May 2024, 03:48#45

Powder puff was Lomp missing Kaino in the 2015 RWC semi for a disastrous  try in a match lost by 2 points….then in the next WC he is splattered by Vunipola. Seems he specializes in being run over by loosies.

So Dave in all the many tackles Mostert has attempted tell me of one that was as disastrous as the Kaino miss….go ahead make my day.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 May 2024, 05:58
#46
24 May 2024, 05:58#46
Let's summarise... DDA - the best 12 in the game. Richie - not as "good" as Kolisi. Mostert - is a powder puff. Rassie - Is a genius but selects powder puffs in crunch game. World Player Of The Year - means something but also means nothing. I know, this is the most interesting award in all of sport. The only award ever that is actually in superposition. They should change the name to World Rugby Schrodinger's Award. - note to the reader. We understand that not all readers know what collapsing a wave function means. Generally, the collapse of the wave function is caused by a conscious observer. In the case of the world rugby award, the collapsing of the wave function IE determining whether it does or does not mean something, is carried out by an insecure and semi-conscious mind connected to a very Fat Lip.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 May 2024, 05:58
#47
24 May 2024, 05:58#47
Let's summarise... DDA - the best 12 in the game. Richie - not as "good" as Kolisi. Mostert - is a powder puff. Rassie - Is a genius but selects powder puffs in crunch game. World Player Of The Year - means something but also means nothing. I know, this is the most interesting award in all of sport. The only award ever that is actually in superposition. They should change the name to World Rugby Schrodinger's Award. - note to the reader. We understand that not all readers know what collapsing a wave function means. Generally, the collapse of the wave function is caused by a conscious observer. In the case of the world rugby award, the collapsing of the wave function IE determining whether it does or does not mean something, is carried out by an insecure and semi-conscious mind connected to a very Fat Lip.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 May 2024, 08:41
#48
24 May 2024, 08:41#48

Are you saying RG is not physical?

I can clearly see RG's physicality. Where you get Lood's from is the mystery.

I think Eben would also question your theory .


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2024, 14:00
#49
24 May 2024, 14:00#49

Yep that was a defining moment.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 May 2024, 21:13
#50
27 May 2024, 21:13#50
My point is that Lood is physical powder puff is not No Lood is not Eben or Jenkins or RG but he is up there with the other test locks out there when it comes to being able to impose himself physically You want defining moment - look no further than powder puff not being able to clean out the 18 year old Georgian fullback - the height of rugby embarrassment
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 May 2024, 22:50
#51
27 May 2024, 22:50#51

Not a defining moment…..Etzebeth is the strngest lock I’ve seen, but  apply force at the right angle and a scrummie could knock him back I’m no Eluckmiss fan, but he is not stupid enough to play a powder puff in 38 tests.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 May 2024, 00:51
#53
28 May 2024, 00:51#53

https ://supersport.com/rugby/general/news/f1cc0bd1-112b-4cc5-b752-0b819d83d738/insider-franco-mostert

It isn’t hard to miss Franco Mostert in a game.

He isn’t flashy. But there are few players worldwide that possess the work ethic and workrate that he does, who consistently produces exceptional performances, but also goes under the radar when it comes to accolades.

Much like Danie Rossouw, who was the backbone of the 2007 World Cup side and an unsung hero in a team full of them, Mostert has carved out a reputation for being a workhorse, a player teams can’t do without. Ask any coach who has coached him before and they will tell you, there are few players who come close.

But his story is often one that doesn’t see the limelight. Where several of his team-mates win man-of-the-match awards, get written up by local and foreign media and find their way into teams across the world, Mostert just carries on. He knows only one way, and that is to put his head down and grind.

TACKLE COUNT

A perfect example of this was against the British and Irish Lions. While his colleague Eben Etzebeth became a focus of the media, Mostert simply carried his weight and did his job. Not surprisingly to those who watch closely but by the end of the test series Mostert had racked up a massive 42 tackles in the tests, Etzebeth 26. To make it more impressive was that he didn’t play 80 minutes of every game in the series either.

But it is just another example of a player who had to overcome adversity, fight his way for every place in every team and took the long, hard road to the top.

It may surprise you that Mostert was never a Craven Week player, never excelled for the top schools and spent his time in Brits, having been born in Welkom. He actually doubted becoming a rugby player when he was younger, and had to choose in high school between golf and rugby.

His father Francois, played for Free State and his older brother JP was the Craven Week captain for North West and later the captain for the Valke. So despite the love for golf perhaps it never really was a choice after all. Saying that, Mostert still loves the golf course, playing off a 3 handicap and spends much of his free time chasing the tiny ball around.

SKINNY LAD

His break came when Werner de Beer, one of the Bulls scouts, asked him to come for a trial at Tuks, where Nollis Marais was coaching.

“He came from Brits and Werner said he had potential. He was a skinny lad but we let him play in a trial match against the under-21 side and immediately it showed that he had an amazing work-rate. I could see this guy would develop into a real good player,” Marais told SuperSport.

Mostert made his mark in the Varsity Cup for Tuks, scoring a try in the 2012 final by showing pace. Clayton Blommetjies took an up and under on attack and offloaded to a flying Mostert, whose try under the posts capped an exceptional win for Tuks over their old foes Maties.

Franco was the heart and soul of that match. The speed he showed in outsprinting the Maties defence won the game for us. He was such an influential player, and always lead from the front. He was always the guy to ignite the fire. If someone had to go hard, Sous was that guy. You can always bargain on him playing 80 minutes.”

TRANSFER LIST

Strangely though, after moving up to the Bulls under-21 side, Mostert was put on the transfer list by then high-performance manager Xander Janse van Rensburg, along with several others that would go on to make their name at the Lions and beyond.

Lions coach Johan Ackermann had just taken over, and when he was scouting for players, couldn’t believe his luck when he saw Mostert’s name on the transfer list. He immediately snapped him up.

“He stood out immediately when I saw him play for Tuks,” Ackermann told Supersport.com, “He was this player that never seemed to give up. When I saw his name on the Bulls list, I told my CEO I can’t believe they’re letting this guy go.

“I realised after working with him how hungry he is to succeed and how hard work was everything to him.”

CAR ACCIDENT

But just as his career was starting at the Lions, disaster struck. Mostert was involved in a car accident and broke his hip bone. The doctor told him he may not play rugby again and his life crashed in a single moment.

“It was a bit tough for me, at the beginning of the year we played the Lions challenge and I got the weekend off and went home to North West. I got into a car accident and broke my hip. I was out for 9 months. It was tough because we were back in Super Rugby in 2014, and I had to work very hard to get back in time to play,” Mostert explains.

At first he didn’t think he was injured, but the day after the accident he couldn’t stand up. His father Francois immediately rushed him to hospital.

“The doctor told my father i had to have immediate surgery my father looked at him asked is he going to play rugby again. The doctor looked at him and said no. There were lots of tears running down my face and I believed all my dreams were running away,” he said.

The Lions coaches brought in a specialist, and transferred Mostert to Fourways hospital, where it was decided they wouldn’t operate but that he would have to lay in traction.

“I had tears of joy, especially when you think someone told you you were finished with rugby. I can’t describe what goes through your hear. I knew it would be a hard road to come back and learn to walk again. It was hard and it took me six months to sit up straight again.”

DETERMINED

When Mostert returned he ran with a limp, but slowly worked his way back into the side and never looked back. He eventually won his first Springbok cap in 2016, coming on as a reserve against Ireland in a 32-26 victory.

“One of the things that sets him apart is his drive. In 2015, I dropped him for a game and I could see he wasn’t happy. He wanted to talk to me about it but he didn’t seem to know how. When he got the chance again he made a point and proved me wrong, showed that hunger again and easily got his place back in the team,” his then-Lions coach Ackermann recalls.

“I wasn’t surprised when he became a Springbok and since then he has been indispensable to the national team.”

Another setback hit Mostert’s family when his older brother JP was heading to a bachelor party with a friend, who was driving, and had a car accident, breaking his neck and being paralysed from the waist down. Mostert took it hard and became even more determined to play his heart out, for his brother and family.

PLAYING FOR JP

“I’m playing for him now,” he told Huisgenoot in an article shortly after JP’s car accident.

“His brother’s accident had a massive effect on him,” Ackermann recalls. “The fact that JP fights as well to try and walk again, it seems that the fight is in the Mosterts’ genes. They can’t give up. France hasn’t got a scared hair on his body. Every time we were behind and got back into the changeroom, he was always the most positive guy.”

“It’s something amazing to see, to see a player so passionate about his game, and his family and how they have handled all the setbacks. To handle that and deliver consistently impressive performances says a lot about him.”

Ackermann recalls that one unique feature about Mostert, is the way he prepares for a game. While other players do individual warm-ups before a match before the team runs its lines out on the field, Mostert was always the last player to get onto the field.

“He would literally sit until a minute before the conditioning coach called the team together to run their warm-ups. I was amazed. I would see him sitting peacefully in the changeroom, doing his strapping, but I never saw him stretch. I’ve never seen players that can go out without stretching and simply play like that,” Ackermann said.

“He’s a great guy. I don’t think there is a player that doesn’t have respect for him and love for what he means for every team he plays in.”

HIGH PRAISE

This sentiment was echoed by both Marais and Ackermann’s assistant coach and later Lions coach Swys de Bruin.

“He is a hard-working guy. Everytime he plays he gives everything he has got. He is never injured. You know every week when you pick a side you pick him first. He plays for 80 minutes, he never gives up,” Marais said.

“The tougher it goes, the tougher he gets. He can soak up pressure and apply it like nobody else. He’s got quite an engine, he never stops.”

“A forward leader, a grinder. The guys respect him so much,” says his former Lions coach Swys de Bruin.

“Sous is unreal. We love him. He is so inspiring. If we have to pick characters for our movie one day, he will be one of the main characters.”

And while many others may get the limelight, you can bet there isn’t a coach whose team Mostert is in, that isn’t thankful he sets the bar so high. And has so much fight in him.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 May 2024, 07:17
#54
28 May 2024, 07:17#54
Imagine being so spastic that you don't think Mostert extremely valuable. The only way you don't rate Mostert, as Fat Lip and Mike don't, is when you have a basic understanding of the game but "looks the part thus must be the part" is where your thinking ends. And now you know why they like DDA but are never able to provide us with evidence as to why. Wait for it, we're about to hear that DDA is selected in world teams and thus he must be amazing. And then we'll be told that despite Richie being selected as WRPOTY that means nothing. You can't teach these levels of stupid.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 08:38
#55
28 May 2024, 08:38#55
Racist I don’t rate locks that lack physicality it’s that simple You are too fucking stupid to appreciate DA’s role in the game
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 08:42
#56
28 May 2024, 08:42#56
Moz Rassie initially selected Mostert to start but he woke up to that lack of physicality and replaced him with the more physical Lood to start This is a fact up until the last WC when Lood was injured So while Rassie has fucked up selecting the physically inept Mostert he at least discovered the errors of his ways and rectified them. Mostert is a physical liability - all you lot see is heart, energy and loads of process tackles - that is the value you see. I see his reality
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 May 2024, 09:51
#57
28 May 2024, 09:51#57
Heart, energy and plenty tackles. Yeah, who on earth would want a player with those characteristics. Lol you tit!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 10:31
#58
28 May 2024, 10:31#58
Yeah you would want that at lock - a lock that lacks the ability to execute his primary functions because he lacks physicality You select Roos at 12 of course you would want a physical liability at lock it makes perfect sense Heart and energy hardly equates to physical productivity now does it - or are you too stupid to work that out?
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 May 2024, 12:24
#59
28 May 2024, 12:24#59
" a lock that lacks the ability to execute his primary functions because he lacks physicality " - it’s literally only you, that feels this way….Tassels and most of the Rugby experts out there, knows the value of Mostert…..and Mostert will be in the mix come game time…so give it up as you embarrassing yourself.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 13:00
#60
28 May 2024, 13:00#60
Shut up you fucking ignorant prick I’m not stupid enough to equate heart and energy with physicality Not a single person I know rates Mostert - there are a few on here that’s it. I know Denny and Mike don’t It’s the same with de Allende, everyone I know rates him At the rugby on Friday night my son the rugby coach said after watching Chasing the Sun 2 it reminded him how great PSDT is. He said his performance in the final was phenomenal and he reckons PSDT is the best forward in the game right now. And then you get some on here who think he is shit Clearly we all watch different games But with you Mpower you are just fucking stupid so it has nothing to do with your eyes
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 May 2024, 13:11
#61
28 May 2024, 13:11#61
Time to change the nappy again…must be strenuous to be such a angry person. There, there..Mostert is kak, John Deere is the best tractor in the world and Lomp is actually the best tub of Lard we ever had..for goodness sake just calm down.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 May 2024, 13:19
#62
28 May 2024, 13:19#62

The immaturity drips off of the Fat Lip like ectoplasm off of the Ghostbuster Mobile.

Haha 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2024, 13:45
#63
28 May 2024, 13:45#63

All you see is heart, energy, loads of tackles, brilliant lineout work including many crucial steals close to your line, first in to clean out over the down ball…..and if Eluckmiss would have encouraged offloading, excellent hands.

Admired by Ackerman, Swys de Bruin and clearly by Erasmus. A key player in two WC finals….but not rated by you Dave. Think again. Read his story which I never knew until Blob posted the article.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 May 2024, 13:49
#64
28 May 2024, 13:49#64
Excellent article, thanks Blob.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 14:38
#65
28 May 2024, 14:38#65
Moz there is no point being there to clean out if you can’t actually clean out - evidenced by not being able to clean out an 18 year old fullback His line out work is no better than Eben, RG, Lood or PSDT He has never displayed anything with his hands, I can’t recall him ever being part of a linking role Yes Rassie likes him but not as his first choice starter Rassie gets 99% of his calls spot on, Mostert anywhere near a Bok squad is a failure The Boks would have been better served by a real lock over the years But it’s not his biggest fuck up that would have to be selecting Orie, but I’m guessing politics played its part in that selection
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2024, 16:30
#66
28 May 2024, 16:30#66
Mostert is the best lineout 5 we have had since Matfield.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 16:37
#67
28 May 2024, 16:37#67
Rubbish there is absolutely nothing special about Mostert’s line out work - no better or worse than any of our locks I’d argue RG is better as the guy is ridiculously athletic
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2024, 18:20
#68
28 May 2024, 18:20#68
Oh I see, all locks are the same.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 18:35
#69
28 May 2024, 18:35#69
Well yes when it comes to line outs there is very little to distinguish between the players. It’s hardly a special art and something they spend their lives training for and doing What’s the difference between Mostert taking a line out ball and RG or Lood doing the same? Sure a player will miss the odd ball but most of the issues at line outs are down to the hookers throwing I don’t see Mostert standing out as something special or different in the line outs, he certainly does not get used more than any other jumpers in the side. But feel free to point out what makes him a better line out exponent than Lood or RG?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2024, 19:00
#70
28 May 2024, 19:00#70

He makes many more steals than either player per opposition throw….because his timing is excellent and being lighter doesn’t hurt. The proof is in the pudding.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 May 2024, 19:27
#71
28 May 2024, 19:27#71
Come on Moz where do you get that he steals more opposition ball than other locks - if anything Eben steals the most I don’t see any of the locks standing out as stealing more ball than others for let’s face it, it’s not that common an occurrence
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 May 2024, 20:54
#72
28 May 2024, 20:54#72

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 May 2024, 01:49
#73
29 May 2024, 01:49#73

Dave’s in the third tub.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 May 2024, 08:11
#74
29 May 2024, 08:11#74
:)
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