"Your comment about Goosen was in defense of Morne Steyn...." No. It was not. It had nothing to do with Steyn. You are the one who constantly brings in Steyn, Meyer Bosman's mom, Zuma's fifth wife, Albertina, Sisulu, Gelant and who ever else you can think of when you find it necessary to start ducking and diving.
".......who became the worst flyhalf the Springboks had."A matter of opinion. This is not mine but have a read at this:This was in 2014, by someone who saw a debate about how "crap" Morne Steyn supposedly is/was:
"So, I tried to check up on some of the figures in general, just to confirm a suspicion I had about certain people's perspectives (Perceptions once again)
I am including some other names from the past, when we played less tests too, to make the comparisons complete
Most tests:
1. (56) Morne Steyn
2. (42) Butch James
3. (35) Henry Honiball
4. (32) Jaco vd Westhuyzen
5. (32) Pat Lambie
6. (31) Andre Pretorius
7. (28) Naas Botha
... (25) Piet Visagie
... (22) Joel Stransky
... (13) Jannie de Beer
... (10) Hansie Brewis
Not bad for a useless player in such an important position.
Averages, as a totals comparison is not really fair to anyone.
Points scored per game:
1. (13.9) Jannie de Beer
2. (11.7) Morne Steyn (660 points total)
3. (11.14) Naas Botha (second most total points for a flyhalf 312)
4. (10.9) Joel Stransky
5. (5.4) Andre Pretorius
6. (5.2) Piet Visagie
7. (4.46) Henry Honiball
... (2.1) Pat Lambie
... (1.6) Johan Goosen
An interesting point here, is that in his last 13 starts, Morne Steyn's average was 13.38, which indicates an improvement, directly opposed to the alleged "slump in form"... If I include his few minutes (5) as fullback replacement, it is 12.42 points per game average over the last 14 matches.
We can also add the fact that the average number of tries scored by the Springboks in Morne's last 13 starts was 4 per match (52 tries in total).
Average tries scored per match:
1. (0.27) Joel Stransky
2. (0.24) Piet Visagie
3. (0.15) Jannie de Beer
4. (0.15) Jaco vd Westhuyzen
5. (0.143) Morne Steyn
6. (0.1) Hansie Brewis
7. (0.07) Butch James
8. (0.07) Naas Botha
... (0.03) Pat Lambie
... (0) Johan Goosen
In terms of numbers, Morne scored 8 tries, Piet Visagie and Joel Stransky 6, Jaco vd Westhuyzen 5.... And the great running flyhalf Homiball a full one! Even Honiball's sub (Franco Smith), scored 2...
Another interesting point from this, is that Danie Craven had the following to say about probably our best running flyhalf, ever (Piet Visagie)... "He reminded me ofTony Harris in many ways - a player who seldom broke but when he did, it usually led to a try."
(I selected Visagie because he only played against the top rated teams and never played against the "weaker" teams like Argentina, Italy, Samoa, etc.)
I was was going to make certain deductions from these figures, but I will leave it up to you to make up your own minds about these players."
"It was trying to denigrate Goosen s useless - so it was not to be taken seriously."BS, once again. It did not denigrate him at all. It actually criticised hos play as a FH and made a case for rather playing him at FB, where he could be a great value. A point that you, yourself have actually confirmed when you started this thread. Eish, oudste. Jy is besig om id die hek te k@k hier.
"Goosen accepted playing at full back because otherwise he would not get playing time"HAd he been the great FH that you have been trying to make him out too be, he would not have had to "accept to play flyhalf", he would have been the automatic choice as FH.
Stop digging, oudste, you are nearing the centre of the earth and it is fecking hot down there.
