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The five greatest scrumhalves of all time.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Feb 2017, 12:44
#1
13 Feb 2017, 12:44#1
As selected: 5  Justin Marshall Beeno has always said this is the perfect role model for the very bent kbbs!)4 Fourie Du Preez3 George Gregan2 Joost1  Gareth Edwards
See:  5 best scrumhalves
Put Joost at one. Kick out Gregan whose only real claim to fame is along career - this guy passed well but loafed most of the time.
More mud in the eye for Cloudy and the other Marshall detractors. 

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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Feb 2017, 14:24
#2
13 Feb 2017, 14:24#2
 Sid Going makes Marshall look like you trying to be clever,slowwwww....
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Feb 2017, 14:55
#3
13 Feb 2017, 14:55#3
 Sid Going in the days when mud was part of the game
MA
MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
13 Feb 2017, 14:57
#4
13 Feb 2017, 14:57#4
 Any selection of "Top Players" will always be subjective.  Who do you really leave out and who do you place before who and why.  There should be clear cold criteria with no emotional baggage.
And try as I may I cannot even agree with myself.  You see, some of these guys played a different era when the game was slower and there was more brain and less brawn..
I like Marshall as a person, I liked his style of play and his tenacity but I'd have to go with the Wardad on this one and then I'd even make Sid 4 and FdP 5 - As much as I liked FdP there were times when he was of the boil slightly injured, and still played, maybe because there was no one else, who knows. 
 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Feb 2017, 15:26
#5
13 Feb 2017, 15:26#5
No problem with #1, #2 or #3 but I would have all of Nick Farr-Jones, David Kirk, Danie Craven and Sid Going before Fourie du Preez.

In my opinion Justin Marshall is right up there with the names I mentioned competing for a top 5 spot.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
13 Feb 2017, 19:08
#6
13 Feb 2017, 19:08#6
 I agree with with first three Beeno but Gareth Edwards won by 5 lengths...the greatest player ever let alone scrumhalf...sadly most of you were either too young or not even born then...never seen any rugby player in this class...he was just too brilliant
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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Feb 2017, 23:27
#7
13 Feb 2017, 23:27#7
 The good Dr Craven is surely ahead of Du Preez ? Having only old newsreels to go by makes comparisons more difficult compared to modern day players.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Feb 2017, 02:57
#8
14 Feb 2017, 02:57#8
 Lets forget about the amateur era and start with players since 1996 = since the rugby changed drastically since then.   Joost covers both eras and memories fade as a result.  Besides that SA was out of rugby for more than a decade in the 1980's and that could have cut out some players as well.  
So what do you suggest in that scenario. I would not put Fourie du Preez in the top 5 for vey good reason.         
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
14 Feb 2017, 22:34
#9
14 Feb 2017, 22:34#9
Mike, yes lets forget the amateur part but really, no. Edwards was a freak brilliant player...if born in pro era would have even been greater...I'm sure you watched the British Lions Tour in 1974 or was it 75...I was a young student watching at Newlands in pouring rain at Newlands...that Br Lions side was the BEST rugby side ever...they white washed us completely...the last test we drew but we were skunks...dirty play and the Bok side was at it's best....we SA's could not except defeat to the greatest side ever.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
14 Feb 2017, 22:59
#10
14 Feb 2017, 22:59#10
Sid Going ahead of Joost......never ever.
Except if u are from NZ.
Danie Craven was excellent in his day.......but to rate him in the top 5... ?.
I think we all tend to rate players who excelled in our era.
Many a great player has played the game but to rate one above the other as the best ever is difficult if not impossible.
Here's one for u guys: Who is the biggest rugby cheat of all time?

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Feb 2017, 23:16
#11
14 Feb 2017, 23:16#11
Biggest rugby cheat would have to be Shalk Burger He also proved to be one of the most courageous players as he fought his way back from injury & at one point almost death. Still, his "bending of the rules" made the mighty McCaw look like a saint.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
14 Feb 2017, 23:24
#12
14 Feb 2017, 23:24#12
 Sorry guys you are too young...Sid Going was great but Gareth Edwards was a freak brilliant...every movement was deceptive, fast and positive ...really a freak no 9 ...made Bennett look like Dan Carter and with players like JPR and JJ Williams outside anything could happen, and it did...the best rugby side ever.

Just a little chapter in his great rugby playing life
https://youtu.be/AwCbG4I0QyA




JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Feb 2017, 23:30
#13
14 Feb 2017, 23:30#13
 Hi Cloudy, some might say my post was a preemptive strike 
However, I am confident that the likes of Beeno will demonstrate they have finally come to recognize Richie has often been unfairly maligned in the past. I like to think that Beeno's knowledge of the game has grown
Beeno's graduation from rugby schooling?
He still looks one-eyed to me
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
14 Feb 2017, 23:36
#14
14 Feb 2017, 23:36#14
Was Beeno a scrum half???

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Feb 2017, 23:38
#15
14 Feb 2017, 23:38#15
 Perhaps "half" but I'm not sure of the scrum part of the title
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Feb 2017, 23:58
#16
14 Feb 2017, 23:58#16
 The case for Sid Going:
Link
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
15 Feb 2017, 01:18
#17
15 Feb 2017, 01:18#17
Cloudy no need to light up today......relax and inhale the fresh air.
JW you hit the nail on the head.
Burger was in my estimation the biggest. I also think that Bismark was a close second.
Wait for it. I also think Richie was accused of an awful lot of "cheating" but in my estimation he was brilliant. He fought hard and fairly.
Seb......Gareth Edwards was up there with Joost, either one or two in my book.
The game of rugby has produced many greats and I was privileged to sit alongside one such great on a flight from Auckland to Brisbane.
Wilson W who was the  ALL Blacks captain and hooker in the late 60's early 70's. What a great player, a gentleman off the field and had not one bad word to say about anyone.
Pure class...... as is/was Richie.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Feb 2017, 06:08
#18
15 Feb 2017, 06:08#18
Danie Craven the first master of the dive pass deserves a mention. In the tests against NZ in 37 the dive pass was so feared by the ABs Craven waved Tony Harris furrher and further out and out....and the AB defence shifted with him leaving a big gap. Through that gap steamed Turner for a stunning try to clinch the first series win.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
15 Feb 2017, 12:50
#19
15 Feb 2017, 12:50#19
 The Going brothers bamboozled Samoa using that move .Awesome way to flummox defences eh wot ?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Feb 2017, 15:05
#20
15 Feb 2017, 15:05#20
 Well according to this clip Van der Westhuizen was the number 1 Bok 9. Some great scum halves. Du Preez was ranked no. 2.
Here is the video

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Feb 2017, 22:52
#21
15 Feb 2017, 22:52#21
 Divan Serfontein had a better kicking game than Joost.
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