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The genius that is Rassie

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Aug 2021, 10:41
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01 Aug 2021, 10:41#1
Test one we had Gatland and co kick off because the TMO was SA’n and it worked in the Lions favour with two poor TMO calls - Willie on side and tip tackle Test two and what does Rassie do, he cleverly draws attention to the match officials and in the process winds the Lions up. With that comes the match officials being overly cautious and decisions going our way this time. It was brilliant First it was the bomb squad, then the water boy and now the wind up. It’s difficult to come up with new ideas in the modern game but count on the astute Rassie to find a way
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Aug 2021, 11:28
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01 Aug 2021, 11:28#2

Josè is a gimmick coach with no ideas. Manipulating the refs was the only was he could compensate for his poor coaching. The sooner Josè and Crutch depart the better. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Aug 2021, 12:12
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01 Aug 2021, 12:12#3

Agree Dave it was brilliant. When you have a ref who made 30 questinabel and downright crookedcall the cheat had to be called out.

It looks like Rassie has found a way to stop the anti Bok refs in theri tracks.

Faace facts we are not too popular. perhaps it was Apartheid and perhaps t was also our physcal style of play - you hear whines about the Boks being bully boys and who desnt wanta bully taken down.

hence over many years we have got the short end of the straw. Now Rassie sat down with the video clips and calmly went through he many errors, nd in some cases shockingly bad decisions. No coach has had the courage to do this before. Well done Rassie.

the beauty of it all is that nobody can really dispute what the cumulative evidence proves. Bad refereeing rising to the level of cheating.

Result was that Kolisi was shown respect by the ref and the decisions made were much fairer.

Hence my saying Rassie was man of the match.

As for the demented Org, well he gets more bitter and twisted and more unhinged as the days go bye. All objectivity is lost as his Rassie Derangement Syndrome (RDS) grows and grows.

Pull yourself together Org! I fear for your mental well being!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Aug 2021, 12:34
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01 Aug 2021, 12:34#4
Omelette is both and insult and disgrace to SA rugby Complete and utter prick who keeps smarting because Rassie keeps making an utter fool of the twat Rassie is a genius
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Aug 2021, 12:54
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01 Aug 2021, 12:54#5

Josè himself has done what exactly? There is no evidence of real coaching from Josè. Only Crutch has tangible coaching influence. Defence, kick, occasionally shuffle the ball to the wing to kick. Have Willie do his thing 50m behind the gainline. Yep, coach Unteromlett might just receive a promotion to Dame Omlett. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Aug 2021, 14:01
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01 Aug 2021, 14:01#6
Well let’s see - first of all crutch is not a coach he is a physio And you kind of need to know what you are doing in order to take a side from 7 to 1, beat NZ in NZ, win the RC and WC and let’s face it a series win against the Lions But you are too profoundly stupid to work out that no poor coach who can’t coach could ever achieve that But please don’t stop feeding us your hilarious garbage it’s massively entertaining bright omelette
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2021, 15:46
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01 Aug 2021, 15:46#7

The near implosion of the match yesterday was down to Erasmus’ disgraceful video. I disagree that we were not liked. South Africa got huge credit after the WC and almost universal admiration.

This week has put us right back in the role of bully boys and now bad sports as well. There is respect but no admiration.

The truth is we are a much better team than these Lions. Only Watson, Henshaw and Itoje would make a team of the series as things stand. We should never have lost the first test against this very ordinary Lions team. I could never see how they were going to hurt us.

Yesterday’s dominance was an opportunity to open up in the last 10 minutes. But we have no plan that allows the ball to be passed beyond 12…..the wings get the ball on turnovers.

Erasmus is a very limited coach who has added no new skills to the Bok game. But he has our best set of players since 2007, led by Etzebeth and Pollard. It’s like saying Bottas is a great driver when every race he gets into the best car.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Aug 2021, 16:21
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01 Aug 2021, 16:21#8

Crutch is the entire brains of the Bok defence Unteromlett. My word you are from another planet! Defence is the heart, soul and spine of the Bok game. Josè Erasmus was supposed to add attacking ability, but was so inadequate that he needed the also poor Stick to actually do some coaching. Josè is a hands-off philosopher, like Muir. Exactly like Muir. Always needing someone to do his work for him. The only difference was that Muir stabbed Campese in the back whereas Josè had the sense to be paly with Crutch and keeping him involved wherever he goes. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Aug 2021, 18:17
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01 Aug 2021, 18:17#9
Bullshit Rassie was brilliant at highlighting how useless the officials sometimes are and are never accountable. Coaching careers, players careers are often on the line with these shocking calls. Masterstroke by Rassie as always Killed two birds with one stone
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Aug 2021, 18:22
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01 Aug 2021, 18:22#10

Ja, using race to pressure the ref into compliance. Spoken like a true neo-lib. Another member of Generation Dummy-Spit.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Aug 2021, 18:27
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01 Aug 2021, 18:27#11
He never mentioned race stop fucking lying
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Aug 2021, 19:13
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01 Aug 2021, 19:13#12

Erasmus has that special characteristic that makes the players want to walk through a wall for him.   That sense of loyalty to the coach was absent under De Villiers and  Coetzee and only found in the case o0f Meyer iro his braai pals - who generally was unable to produce the goods anyway.

Players have to admire the coach and they must feel that he si loyal to them as well.    That is why I think that Erasmus is the ideal coach for the Springboks and experts feel the same about him.    If you mention the garbage  written by the Kindergarten Imbecile to any rugby follower and springbok player they burst out laughing and youa re the idiot who wrote what those two claims/ 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2021, 19:22
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01 Aug 2021, 19:22#13

As I said on another string only Watson, Henshaw and Itoje would make a team of the tournament. So Erasmus has 12 of 15 best players in the series. And he is playing at home. How the blue blazes did this so called genius lose the first test.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Aug 2021, 19:27
#14
01 Aug 2021, 19:27#14

You are thinking about garbage again  - for of the players in the first test was out of training for two weeks being in isolation because of Covid infection.         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2021, 19:35
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01 Aug 2021, 19:35#15
Okay so then he had 8 of the best players fit, 4 of the best players semi fit and home advantage. Meanwhile the Lions captain just came back from a dislocated shoulder.
How the blue blazes did the so called genius lose the first test?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Aug 2021, 20:42
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01 Aug 2021, 20:42#16

Hahahahhahaha seldom seen such a bad case of sour grapes. These two moaned away when we won the world cup. While the rest of South Africa celebrated they searched for reasons to belittle the coach, the team and certain top players.

If Rassie walked on water they would complain he cant swim. Bwahahahahahahahhaha

Don't shoot the messenger oaks. Keo nailed it for sure. The Boks are very lucky to have a guy like Rassie around.

Mike you make a good point. Time and again we see the players and other coaching staff having kind words to say about Rassie. There is tremendous spirit in this side.

The Boks have hardly played for 2 years, have a few key guys out and yet managed to decisively win this second test. Of course that's only because this is a bad Lions side. Guscott was talking about a 3 nil clean sweep after the first test. The Lions were the team with the momentum.

They never expected that master game analyzer Rassie Erasmus had the goods on the refs etc and more importantly would actually use it. A masterstroke! 

Gatloon of course will never provide a similar clip because he knows he may have a few incidents but nothing of the sorts Rassie has.

Refs are now on notice. Do a Berry on us and you will have your BS shown to the whole Rugby world. Hahahahahahahahha I have to say I am enjoying this immensely!


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Aug 2021, 22:24
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01 Aug 2021, 22:24#17
There is no way in hell Henshaw would make a combined side ahead of de Allende
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2021, 23:47
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01 Aug 2021, 23:47#18

Henshaw’s numbers are superior to Dud Allende….he is a  proper centre. Henshaw 4.3 metres a carry….Dud 3.0 metres a carry. Henshaw 93.75 tackle success ratio……Dud 87.5 success ratio.

The numbers tell the story.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 00:17
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02 Aug 2021, 00:17#19
Oh bullshit stats tell you very little - de Allende has been superior to Henshaw and that’s a fact
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2021, 00:21
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02 Aug 2021, 00:21#20
Oh I see….your opinion counts for more.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 00:27
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02 Aug 2021, 00:27#21
Nope it will be the opinion of 95% of the people watching the games Stats give you 20% of the picture providing no context de Allende was a constant physical threat, Henshaw had the odd moment but was awol for the most
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2021, 02:23
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02 Aug 2021, 02:23#22

If he was a constant physical threat his metres per run wouldn’t be 70% of those of Henshaw. He has been totally predictable and easily contained.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 02:30
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02 Aug 2021, 02:30#23
Rubbish DA’s carries have been in traffic, Henshaw had one run in space which accounted for most of his metres. That’s context for you. Henshaw was never really threatening whereas as alwarys, DA carries defenders in contact creating forward momentum and setting up the next phase
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
02 Aug 2021, 02:35
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02 Aug 2021, 02:35#24

I've already congratulated the Boks for a great win on another thread, but the headline on this is plainly ridiculous!

Saffex, it doesn't take a genius to bleat about the referee so please give it a rest..........

Cue abusive response.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 02:41
#25
02 Aug 2021, 02:41#25
Actually Moo no coach has had the balls to do what Rassie has done with reference to piss poor officiating
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 02:44
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02 Aug 2021, 02:44#26
Moz looking at the stats alone in the second test only a one eyed biased fool would declare Henshaw the better DA ran 11 gaining 23m beating 2 defenders in the process and effecting 1 offload Henshaw had 6 runs gaining all of 9m with 1 clean break and zero defenders beaten and zero offloads It’s not even close DA is far superior if we took stats alone However observation makes it even more emphatic
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
02 Aug 2021, 02:45
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02 Aug 2021, 02:45#27

Graham Henry did in 2007 when we lost to France in the QF but he didn't put out an hour long video about it.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 02:47
#28
02 Aug 2021, 02:47#28
Henry was clearly wasting everyone’s time then
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2021, 03:16
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02 Aug 2021, 03:16#29

I looked at both tests Dave…the combined data….a more representative sample.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2021, 04:54
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02 Aug 2021, 04:54#30

The data you have is totally defective and inadequate to look at anything.   There are a detailked description data system iro each player that is available to the unions, experts and coaches at a very high price and that data is what counts,     No player can hide away from what he did in games.    Meyer and Coetzee had access to the data and ignored it because they could not understand  and use it properly - hence their bad losses at times.    A really good coach would study the data  not only of his team players - but also those of the opposing teams and determine strategies to neutralize opposing players and team tactics.   

That is why your deductions from limited and sometimes inadequate and wrong data available on ESPN is very superficial  and is not what really happened in games.    Aside from that even your descriptions about what actually happened in games are frequently totally inadequate based on your likes and dislikes of players.   You for instance totally misinterpreted the scrumming on Saturday and  wrote garbage on site.    


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2021, 06:11
#31
02 Aug 2021, 06:11#31

Mike for a guy who in the past has criticized players who weren’t even playing, you have a kettle black problem.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2021, 06:38
#32
02 Aug 2021, 06:38#32

Damian was absolutely hopeless in both tests. Blew great chances in the second test with poor skills and shuffling the ball aimlessly. So far, he has one solid tackle all series. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2021, 08:22
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02 Aug 2021, 08:22#33

I did once made a comment on what happened in a game years ago and once in the case of Steyn - in both cases I apologized afterwards.   The problem of you two are that you cannot analyze what happened ion games and made hilarious and often totally false claims about incidents in games.   In both cases what you write is total garbage and it is not what I say - but most people think you are so prejudiced you cannot look at games objectively. 

You make false claims and when I discussed it with at least two springbok players they thought I was stupid because I even mentioned what you two wrote.    That is how really tragic your lack of grasp on the issue of rugby performances really is.       

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 12:07
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02 Aug 2021, 12:07#34
But Moz we all know that Henshaw had one long run in space in the first test which would account for many of his metres gained in that test. de Allende gained a very respectable 50 plus metres in the first test In total he beat 3 defenders and Henshaw only 1 in both tests Sorry Moz but de Allende was without doubt the better centre over two tests
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Aug 2021, 15:06
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03 Aug 2021, 15:06#35
These are the possible sanctions that the "genius" Rassie may have brought upon the Springboks after his blubbering crybaby video :
World Rugby's Regulation 19 and sanctions

Regulation 19.1.2:

A Rugby Body, Club or Person that contravenes these Regulations, brings World Rugby or the Game into disrepute, engages in conduct, behaviour or practices which may be prejudicial to the interests of World Rugby or the Game, wrongly discloses any confidential information obtained through connection with the Game, or which breaches the Code of Conduct shall be subject to sanction by the Union or Association having jurisdiction in respect thereof in accordance with the bye-laws, regulations, code of conduct or other undertakings or agreements of that Union or Association. 

Possible World Rugby sanctions (19.4):

  1. a caution, warning as to future conduct, reprimand and/or a fine;a suspension for a specified number of Matches and/or a specified period; a requirement that a Match or Matches be played with the exclusion of the public; the cancellation of a Match result and, where appropriate, the replaying of a Match; the forfeiture of a Match or matches and/or tie(s); the deduction or cancellation of points; the immediate or future expulsion or suspension from a tournament(s) or competition(s); or any such similar sanctions;
  2. cancellation or refusal of the registration of any Person registered in contravention of the Regulations;
  3. a recommendation to the Council that a Union or Association be expelled or suspended from Membership of World Rugby. Subject to the provisions of Bye-Law 6(f), only the Council shall be competent to expel or suspend a Union or Association and any such expulsion or suspension shall only have effect if approved by a two-thirds majority of the votes cast at a properly convened and quorate Council meeting;
  4. an order that any Union, Association, Rugby Body, Club or Person pay compensation and/or restitution;
  5. the withdrawal of other benefits or membership of World Rugby, including, but not limited to, the right to apply to host International Tournaments; and
  6. any combination of the penalties set out above. 

Nice going, genius. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Aug 2021, 15:31
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03 Aug 2021, 15:31#36
I’m behind Rassie all the way With TMO’s in place there is no excuse for so many bad calls
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becsPro4,378 posts
03 Aug 2021, 17:25
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03 Aug 2021, 17:25#37

Well TMOs are only Refs so they will still make mistakes, even with the aid of technology. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Aug 2021, 09:54
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04 Aug 2021, 09:54#38

Saffex, just because you don't agree with a ref's decision doesn't make it a bad decision. You're still going to get 50/50 calls with or without TMOs.

An example is Willie le Roux's non-try in the 1st test. About half the people I know believe that Willie was in front of the kicker and the try was correctly disallowed and the other half believe Willie was behind the kicker and the try should have been given. We've all watched those same replays multiple times and no-one is changing their mind . . . so how does a TMO help in a situation like that or many other similar situations?

Refs aren't perfect and neither are TMOs. Deal with it and stop whining like a baby about every decision that you disagree with . . . or else find some other sport to watch because this is as good as it gets and no amount of whiny videos or national outrage is going to change that.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Aug 2021, 10:04
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04 Aug 2021, 10:04#39
Meant to add, your "genius" Rassie has actually spoilt this Lions tour to a large extent. Ever since the video was released, it's all people have been talking about and the refs have been under the spotlight far more than the players . . . to the extent that the 2nd test took over 2 hours to complete with all the interruptions and the ref clearly made some calls that were influenced by the backlash from the 1st test refereeing.
Don't know if it takes a "genius" to ruin a test series that we only get every 12 years but in years to come when we think back on this series, what we'll remember is all the bitching and whining about referees and not the rugby itself . . . thanks largely to the "genius".
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2021, 10:50
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04 Aug 2021, 10:50#40
Rooi in the case of the Willie try the on field decision was a try, therefore compelling evidence that it was not a try is needed to overturn the decision. Given 50% are swayed either way that certainly proves there is nothing compelling about it Huge series that needs to be decided by rugby not bad officiating. I can see where Rassie was coming from, SA TMO appointed, Gatland bitches about it and it works in the Lions favour with two howler TMO calls. Rassie uses the same method of a bitch to turn things round in our favour in the second test It’s clever stuff - not ideal I concede but no one plays it that clean anymore Rassie’s antics are secondary to the series we will remember it for the rugby not Rassie
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