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The Idiot Speakers myths

Started by clevermike65 REPLIES3,866 VIEWS· 24 Jul 2019, 06:21
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2019, 18:06
#41
24 Jul 2019, 18:06#41

No 

Save this thread because you were thoroughly disgraced in it. You know bugger all about rugby - and that has been proven above.  Are you not ashamed of yourself - you should be.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2019, 19:16
#42
24 Jul 2019, 19:16#42
Lomp never even started against Samoa.....man Tokkie you just can't stop leading with your chin.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2019, 19:57
#43
24 Jul 2019, 19:57#43

No he came from the bench in the first half because after fucking up royally Matfield went off early.  Don't try and say differently - Matfield was not performing well in the Japan test and was worse in the little time he was on the field in the Samoa one.  He did not play from that time to the last 20 minutes in the semi where he f#cked up the match totally.   First line out he was outjumped and the AB;s took a Bok throw in and a few minutes later he caused a penalty turnaround - which you tried to cover up.        

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2019, 20:34
#44
24 Jul 2019, 20:34#44
55' Well, that half-time poll suggests that nobody thinks Samoa can come back here. We'll soon find out. 55' Substitute on - Lodewyk De Jager , South Africa. 55' Player substituted - Victor Matfield , South Africa. ........ So Lomp came on in the first half.......apologize for yet another lie Tokkie.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2019, 21:49
#45
24 Jul 2019, 21:49#45

O do apologize = but Matfield was still piss poor anyway. .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jul 2019, 21:49
#46
24 Jul 2019, 21:49#46

O do apologize = but Matfield was still piss poor anyway. .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2019, 22:59
#47
24 Jul 2019, 22:59#47
No Matfield went off because he was injured....and never played again until the All Black game because of that.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jul 2019, 00:04
#48
25 Jul 2019, 00:04#48

Before hos injury he was useless too.  Lets see  - he was injured but as I can member no medicals staff attended to him n the field - he just walked off on his own,   Injury - he claimed as such - bt was it real.  He should not have been in the Japan test - neither in the SAMOA test,   Fact ios he should never have been in the squad.   

Matter of fact De Jager played in every test I up to the semi whether he started or came on from the bench..

So let me ask you to plain questions:-

*   How many players are officially in WC squads?

*   Why that many - are they not there to ensure that evert player has at leas one rest day in the series? 

I may add to the above - why did the Meyer squad contain 8 Unplayable players = Matfield not included.         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jul 2019, 00:44
#49
25 Jul 2019, 00:44#49
Name the eight players.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Apr 2020, 11:35
#50
18 Apr 2020, 11:35#50

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2020, 13:05
#51
18 Apr 2020, 13:05#51

Ag Foeitog - let me explain again = the Village Idiot is on his normal lumacy bym reviving a thread that he was thoroughly disgraced in.  You must be a masochist - so go and see your shrink urgently please.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2020, 13:05
#52
18 Apr 2020, 13:05#52

Ag Foeitog - let me explain again = the Village Idiot is on his normal lumacy bym reviving a thread that he was thoroughly disgraced in.  You must be a masochist - so go and see your shrink urgently please.

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SebPro2,680 posts
18 Apr 2020, 13:47
#53
18 Apr 2020, 13:47#53

https://youtu.be/SNdcFPjGsm8

Cera, an old time favourite. ..Bahahahahahaha

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2021, 05:35
#54
04 Aug 2021, 05:35#54

Name the eight players Pervert.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2021, 06:24
#55
04 Aug 2021, 06:24#55

The 8 players that should not have been  in the 2015 WC team were 

*     De Villiers after his injury and no games bar one - where he failed to perform, 

*     Kirchner

*     Alberts

*     Matfield 

*     Morne Steyn

*     Rudy Paige

*     Coenie Oosthuizen

*     Lwazi Mvovo

None of the above were actuually extensively used in the series.    De Villiers played for about 120 minutes, Kirchner for less than 80 minutes, Matfield 117 minutes and the meaningless Bronze Final against the Argentina "B" team.   Morne Steyn, Willem Alberts, Lwazi Mvovo even less than 30 minutes.    

When Matfield played in the starting line-up in two games  he was useless and when he came off the bench against the AB's he was worse.    First line-up[ he jumpoped in the AB's stole the ball,  turnaround of convertable penalty because he was neck-wrestling with an AB player in a maul where he was standing beside and not entering the maul.   

There were better players than the above  not in the squad  and in most games art least the Du Plessis brothers and Strauss were poor as well.    As to the Japan disaster the three mentioned and Burger were poor as well.    Habana and Pietersen made squad contribution as well since he idiotic game plan of Meyer did not allow for backline usage at all.   In virtually all games passing to players other than the flyhalf in 80% of the passes by Du Preez and Pienaar were a disaster to start with.

No wonder Meyer was effectively fired after that series .because he was incompetent - the Stade francais club owner realized that also and fired him for gross incompetence especially insofar as squad selection firstly and poor coaching secondly were concerned.   .      

  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
04 Aug 2021, 07:36
#56
04 Aug 2021, 07:36#56

Ah, the good old days. Brings a tear to the eye.

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SebPro2,680 posts
04 Aug 2021, 11:50
#57
04 Aug 2021, 11:50#57

LOL...Pakie a tear to the eye, I'm sure.

Do you mean tears of joy or mirth or could it be sentiment, not sadness surely, probably Crocodile tears

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 16:15
#58
04 Aug 2021, 16:15#58

There are hundreds of humdingers out there. This is just one of those which shows what a liar Lügnerin is. At least he is good for a laugh. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2021, 16:35
#59
04 Aug 2021, 16:35#59

A classic.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2021, 16:46
#60
04 Aug 2021, 16:46#60

#What lies  idiot speaker?     Anyway the lies are all on you because I proved that there were 8 unplayable players in that horror squad of Meyer.   why do you think there is an allowance of 31 player in the squad?   Answer to prevent players from having to  play in matches on a continuous basis match after match.   Meyer made sure that that concession was nullified.    

One consolation Meyer was effectively fired by  SARU informing him he c an apply for extension - but it would not be granted.   He was a hopeless team selector - and as bad a coach.   That was conformed by Stade Francais who fired him because he was a grossly incompetent coach  that nearly destroyed the club.   H was well on his way to do the same as Springbok coach anyway.         

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2021, 16:53
#61
04 Aug 2021, 16:53#61

A classi9c misfit with no understanding of rugby.    Just one question Mozart?    How could playerfs b seleced that did noit have a single rugby game in 18 months and others who were injured and played no rugby for six months and popor De Villiers who were injured and immediately picked up another injury  with the reult that in 10 months he played one match in which he failed to perform.

Meyer literally emptioed ou the hospital ward and ignored players from the top SA Super Rugby side and did not pick a single player from that squad - not even the deficient Mostert included.   In any event the deficient Mostert would have put in a much better performance that Matfield did in that  series.   /      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2021, 16:54
#62
04 Aug 2021, 16:54#62

This would be a great learning experience for you Pervert….go through this string and count how many times you have been accused of lying. And then add up the number of times you were able to refute the claim. Hint…that number may be zero.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Aug 2021, 18:19
#63
04 Aug 2021, 18:19#63

I wish I could find the thread where I posted a pic of a man in a tin foil hat. Lügnerin threw a fit that I posted a pic of him

What a nutter! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2021, 19:41
#64
04 Aug 2021, 19:41#64

No Mozart

Pakie made much  of the 4 second story - but it is BS.    In the  program dealing with the rttest an analyst point out that despite being in the middle of ta maul - De Allende  got out of the maul and wa sin the defensive line within 4 seconds.   You and the Kindergarten Imbecile said that is to be expected from  any player - but it seemed as if  it does not apply to Esterhuizen who made zero effort top be in the defensive  line at all/     You tell me he coul get up from a tackle - not evfven a maul in four seconds - but De Allende did not do good by beng in the line.  

As for the rest you asked me for the names of the 8 unplayable passengers in the 2015 WC squad and I gave you the names.    you found that funny - but I did niot think so.    What were those players doing in the squad anyway?   They did noit allow for rest games for the rest of the squad and that was it.   

Compare that to Erasmus squad in 2019   - the players all had res games and every player in the squad made positive contributions.     Even Fransie scored a try  and Brits scored  2.   What was the 8 do in the WC in 2015 - near to zero.   Matfield was a farce in the Japanese game and did squad against  Samoa.    His next game was against the AB/s where -

*     where Whitelock outjumped him in the first line out after he came off the bench and stole the ball from a Springbok throw-in; 

*     He caused a penalty turn around by idiocy; amd 

*     In the time he was on he made three tackles and play npo role in brealdown bal;l protection and recovery.

Total flop as a squad member.     So ahve fun - th disaster against Japan obviously does not trouble you.                           

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Sept 2024, 23:25
#65
14 Sept 2024, 23:25#65

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2024, 06:43
#66
15 Sept 2024, 06:43#66

Ther sis a sequence one has to bear in mind/   The great playes of 2007 by 2011 had been useless and there was no real renewal of players in  that WC - yet the Springbok squad faied to reach the play-off stage of the tournament,   

There was a host of retirements afer that series,   Instead of doing something as to team renewal Meyer decided to convince  some retirees  to return to play in the  period leading up to the 2015 RWC/   and ended up with the players mentioned that was not undcr-performing, they were  basically unplayable.

The unplayables includ players lik alberts who had not played any rugby for upo o 14 months nfor te WC/  

The fact is  the unplayables resulted that after the Japan disaster Meyer wa forced to select he same players to playin everyone of the Round Robin stage of the tournament.   The 31 man WC squad allows for rest matches for players in the tournament/   Tha being absent resulted in no rest matches and by the ttme they were dead on their feet and not performing wel enough.  

What happened effectively became clear - it a and remain idiocy to pursued players who themselves retired from international to get them to return to  international rugby,   Some of the players like Juan Smith made a public apoogy about his only test against Argentina.   Others  realized they were not producing the goods anymore and  decided not to make hemelves availble for future selection and the oter of the unplayables rmained to damag the 2015 RWC.   

It also ended up with players like De Allende and Kril was force to play in all remainig matches of the RWC was totally unfmailiar in playing as centers together - the two only played as a center-combnation in only three test matches before the 2016 RWC and by 2018 rarely played in a few matches as a center combination.

What is important is that Ersmus should bear the above in mind when replacng aging playes in the WC squad and remain perorming on high level  vy  if they remain peforming on test level.  If they fail on test level they need to be phased out and replaced.     Some squad repacements need to be given ample opportunity to establish themelves on tet level.  

Of the over 30's based on present performmances ther ar only 3 or 4 players that could potenally qualify to play in 2027 as part of the team/   I an think of potential playrs to play in 2027 - only Etzebeth, Marx, Du Toit, De Allende, Kolbe  and Am are the only plaers that could keep performing on test level. - the rest il have to be repalced,   We must relace plaers in all positions.

Full backs  -   Fassi and Green

Wings        -    A long list of potetial playes are available

Centers      -    Wllemse, Kriel and Hooker

Flyhalf       -    Feinberg Nngomozulu and aanother player to be fnally intified.

Scrummies  - bnother poisiton where the ist ov cndidates seem t be increasing

Loosies      -    Hanekom, Venter and some other a well.  

Locks         -    Schickerling and Cobus Wiese.   

Props         -   another list of candidates available.

Hookers     -   Multiple numbe of andidate avilable.

The candidate pool in most positions are so big is a huge positive and will bring the best out of players, who compete for Sprungbok selection.   So a good future sis expected to make the 2027 perspectve seem to be very good,

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