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The JJ injustice

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2013, 19:13
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06 Oct 2013, 19:13#1

Given the complete and utter shit I have read about JJ's performance yesterday by some clearly one eyed posters, I feel compelled to put the record straight here and challenge anyone to go watch that game again and come back and tell me JJ had a poor game, was a weakness and best of all cost us 21 points.......I have read some shit in my time but this takes the cake.


Sas, a Kiwi supporter was spot on, JJ was awesome with ball in hand. I watched that game again and JJ had his best game for the Boks by some distance, that break of his that left Savea for dead was awesome.......it was the perfect in out and he beat him on the outside, picked up the pace, drew the defender perfectly and put Willie into space passing to his left.......Willie came so close to scoring only having Morne cock it up trying to pick it up going over the line.


Moz's take on JJ's performance is the biggest load of nonsense I have read in ages, sorry bud, but true. The stats speak for themselves for a start..........JJ gained 97m, made 1 clean break, beat 4 defenders and made 2 off loads and on the negative side, missed 1 tackle thanks to Morne being the inside defender missing Barrett first......but surprise, surprise JJ gets blamed for that one. Compare JJ's stats to Conrad Smith who ran all of 26m, made zero clean breaks, beat zero defenders and missed 2 tackles, one of which was on JJ.
Here is a true take on JJ's performance:
55 seconds......he tackles Conrad Smith
2.50 min......he receives pass from Willie, runs well at pace, draws the defender perfectly and puts Jean into space.....had Jean not slipped we might have got close to scoring.
6.18 min......receives ball and at pace attacks Read on the outside, draws Savea perfectly and puts Willie into space.
10.49 min.......he and Vermeulen smash Whitelock
13.29 min.......takes flat pass off Morne at pace and goes straight through Conrad Smith to set up next phase. Conrad Smith owned by JJ
13.58 min.......takes a high pass from Willie on the touchline and gets taken into touch.
21.15 min........he stops Nonu along with another defender
24.55 min........he and Kirchner take out Savea
35 min.......runs a great line at pace and tries to take a flat pass from du Preez that was delivered behind him.........according to Moz, he should have taken this and scored......yeah right!!! Had the pass been like the flat one he took off Morne and ran through Smith......then yes, we could say he should have taken it.......du Preez's pass was behind JJ and JJ was in traffic.
40 min.......this is a Moz classic here. According to Moz, JJ should have slowed down here. Well we have Jean his captain looking to attack, JJ runs a great inside line off Jean, takes the pass, steps Cruden, beats Nonu initially but goes down and places the ball, with du Preez and Kolisi right there with him. Sadly Read gets the better of the situation thanks to no pressure being put on him by du Preez or Kolisi and Read scoops the ball out which goes bouncing back some distance. Now according to Moz, JJ after this great break is responsible for the Kiwi try that resulted......I kid you not!!
41.44 min......steps Conrad Smith and is tackled by McCaw, placing the ball well to set up next phase.
45.18 min.......receives ball from Jean steps nicely getting past Smith initially and goes down setting the ball well for next phase.
49 min......this is JJ's classic bit of centre play in the match, mouth watering stuff.....goes inside Savea throwing him off balance and then leaves him for dead on the outside. Picks up pace and then perfectly draws the defender and delivers the perfect pass to Willie on his inside......it was a good long pass to his wrong side. So much for JJ being predictable and only having pace and stepping inside. That bit of play blew that label out the water.
56 min......takes ball from Strauss and runs hard at defence, setting up next phase.
60 min.......the Barrett miss, yes he missed Barrett but that was thanks to first Jean, who makes a complete hash of rushing up and trying to tackle him. Then we had Morne, who was Barrett's inside marker. Morne makes a pathetic attempt at tackling Barrett by going high. JJ would have expected first Jean, then Morne to make that tackle so he was never fully committed and his attempt was poor in the end. But circumstances dictated that and JJ was certainly not responsible for that try.............Morne was and thats a fact.
67 min........he tackles Dagg
68 min........receives the ball in traffic and gets tackled, setting next phase up
76 min........good inside out run and sets up next phase
77 min........takes the ball wide and he and Jean lack communication and he ends up popping a forward pass to Jean.

That is hardly the performance of a weak link. Moz with all due respect, you were speaking complete shit. JJ might have had 3 quieter games previously but with ball in hand he announced his international arrival yesterday against the best side in the game. As Sas said, he was awesome, just like Jean was.

Just on another few points, I cannot begin to see why Serfontein was out of his depth given he only got the ball once or twice and was out of position on the wing.
I also struggled to see your point regarding Coenie......with him at 3, the scrum stood as firm as it had all game. Not bad considering he had the less physical Strauss at 2 and the liability in Steenkamp at 1.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Oct 2013, 19:43
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06 Oct 2013, 19:43#2

Saffex

 

You should know by now that Mozart is onto his normal campaign and will use all kinds of arguments to discredit Engelbrecht.   Engelbrecht had a good game yesterday - so he has to start with his nit picking.

 

There is no way that the backline defence of the Springboks was acceptable and the one tackle missed by Engelbrecht is now according to Mozart a mountain.   In the meantime the 4 tackles according to ESPN - other stats sources in fact indicated 5 misses - by Morne Steyn is totally ignored by Mozart.   When I queried this with Mozart - he used one of his normal escape mechanisms when cornered.

 

I would not get upset by his antics at all - it is totally unacceptable by reasonable people in any event.

 

By the way Mozart went quiet on other deficient players as well.   And our loosies - who drastically under-performed is now suddenly the saving grace of the Springboks  and the reason why they showed up poorly is because the bar by which the AB loosies are used for comparison purposes is set too high - whatever that means.

 

One wonders why Read and Messam was not the top rated loosies in Super 15 and suddenly become Superstars that our loosies should not be rated against.    In fact Read was rated 8th on the list of top loosies and Messam 14th in Super 15 this year.   McCaw id not play in Super 15 and could not be rated - however he was not the best loosie on Saturday in any event. 

 

As to Krugr he admnittd he was poor - but he  is already quiet on the issue of his  replacement - because another pet hate of his (Du Toit) is in contention.

 

How do we dea l with a person who has 28 as general minimum age for Springboks and make rare exceptions to accommodate a few youngsters?   Nobody else should ever be considered for Springbok selection.    

 

     

 

  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2013, 19:54
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06 Oct 2013, 19:54#3
I have no issue with the Bok loosies, they played well and Kolisi was great when he came on. Vermeulen has had a great test year, Louw has been ok, I would not select him and for once Alberts looked like he meant business, except for that poor miss on Read that lead to the Smith try.

The real issues in this side are Kirchner, Morne and Kruger in the starting side and Steenkamp on the bench. Franco proved a predictable flop........none of these players should be considered for future tests.

After yesterdays display, I am more than happy that Jean  be retained at 12 and that Serfontein be played off the bench.

Jean has proved me wrong, he is not past it  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Oct 2013, 20:11
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06 Oct 2013, 20:11#4

Saffex

 

I agree with you on all points - but still has serious reservations about our loosie combination.   The AB loosies out-paced them completely and they were late at breakdown points and consequently less of a factor than they should be.   Alberts in particular is guilty of that.   I would prefer loosies that are better all round players and secure in line outs as well ad not only a few carries in traffic with nothing to show for it and deficient in tackling further out as well.

 

With Kruger playing as bad as he did - our whole line out option was completely disrupted and they really did not have a reliable alternate.   We lost line outs - which we should never have lost - purely because the AB's could concentrate all their res ources to frustrate Etzebeth in the process.

 

That being said - I think it is time to move on from the weak players and try alternatives.   I would add Jannie and Alberts to your list of players to be changed, so lets see what happens with Meyer when he selects his EOYT squad.           

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Oct 2013, 20:19
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06 Oct 2013, 20:19#5
 Jean is the best center in world rugby right now and he and JJ outplayedconrad and nonu who were nodescript.JJ has come a long way this year.
However here is a poser for the pundits - pick a backline without Habana and Jean.Assuming they were not available who would you play?How a bout the following backline
Reinach, Goosen, Van der heever, Jan, JJ, Willie, Lambie/Frans Steyn.There are also a number of promising youngsters. JP will come back for world cup. 









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FlashdakotaClub Pro801 posts
06 Oct 2013, 20:35
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06 Oct 2013, 20:35#6
 SAf

Ya mate, you got my support on this one...
He may not be the complete package YET...

  1. But his attacking play rates right up there with some of our best since readmission.
  2. I love his decision making on attack
  3. He is calm under pressure (Very NB for a 13)

On defense... I really don't think he has done much wrong.
He may not make bone crunching tackles, but his defensive lines are fine.

Remember, he started out as a wing.
He is still very young.

I would most certainly keep him in the starting XV. He could be a magic star come 2013.

Good on Meyer to spot his talent early.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2013, 20:53
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06 Oct 2013, 20:53#7
Yes Flash when last did we see a Bok 13 beat so many AB defenders and when last did we see a Bok 13 step inside and then beat his man on the outside, leaving them for dead.

He has it all, he has pace, physicality, great feet and runs great lines.......he also puts players into space, has good hands for an ex wing. His defence is fine, he has missed a few thanks to others not performing their defencive duties. Playing at test level one expects your inside man to make his tackle. Its a bit much expecting a player to cover out wide and make the inside tackle because his team mate failed to do so. The Bosch and Barrett misses were just that. JJ does not miss his one on one tackles.

His credentials as a Bok should not be questioned at all......he has to be one of the first names on the teamsheet after this years displays.......and he is only one year into playing centre 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Oct 2013, 20:57
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06 Oct 2013, 20:57#8

Beeno

 

Could not fault your selection of a backline without Jean and Habana.

 

There are some options though - I would also look at Schreuder at  scrummie - he has developed well in that position.   No problem with Jan - but would back him up with De Allende,   Will also have to look at SP Maris at full back - matter of fact Marais should replace Kirchner forthwith in the EOYT.

 

Lambie to my mind is our cack up flyhalf and could also cover full back.   I would use him on the EOFT as flyhalf - where he is likely to play for the Sharks next year, but could also be in the picture next year.

 

I think SP Marais is a player with massive ball sense and speed - he shows the same characteristics as Le Roux - and to my mind he is an essential for the future.

 

However, we need to assess the performances of players in Super 15 nest year and then come up with pointers.  

 

Another point of interest is that I do not think they would play Jean in the rest of the CC -  he will play in the EOYT and more or less half of the Super 15 games next year in n effort to get him through to the 2015 WC.   SARU and Meyer is likely to put heavy pressure to assure that. 

 

Maybe Van der Heever may not make it = there is another whizz kid on the horizon for next year - Duhan van der Merwe.  Hope Wp offered him a contract - if they don't they will seriously regret it by 2015     

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Oct 2013, 22:00
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06 Oct 2013, 22:00#9
 Gosh mike remind me...didn't you say after the game that I was right about JJs defence? Now this disgusting smarmy stuff.....what a liar.
Dave I stand by conclusions....JJ missed touch when it could have cost us....he lost possession after the half was over leading to an AB try....he should have taken the set piece pass, you say it was behind him, but any flatter and it was forward....and he woefully missed Barrett to end the RC.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Oct 2013, 22:06
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06 Oct 2013, 22:06#10

Mozart

 

Looking  at the one incident only - I had reservations - but since then I realised that Engelbrecht was guilty on one occasions - others wee more to blame as the backlined defence in general was putrid.

 

I was m ore set back by the main culprit who missed most tackles - Morne Steyn - than I was with Engelbrecht.     

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2013, 22:11
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06 Oct 2013, 22:11#11
Nope Moz, the missed touch had no consequence......he did not lose possession after a great break, he was attacking with intent as his captain had initiated it. If the Boks did not want to run it, Morne or Jean could have kicked it. When he went to ground after his good break, du Preez and Kolisi were on his shoulder.....he had support who failed to clear out Read, who was contesting the ball.
The flat pass was behind him and thats a fact, go check the footage. The chances of taking a flat pass behind you in traffic are very slim.
As for the miss on Barrett, well that is simply nonsense, for the first person to miss Barrett was Jean, followed by Morne and lastly JJ, so how you can finger him alone is beyond me.
JJ had an outstanding game as everyone on this thread concurs, along with Sas on another. You are a lone ranger on this one - you have got it completely wrong on every count. JJ has cemented his 13 spot, not that it was ever in doubt. That break beating Savea and setting up Willie sets the precedent of what we require in our Bok 13.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Oct 2013, 22:39
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06 Oct 2013, 22:39#12
Well it's funny the very pro JJ Rugby 365 rates JJ at 6.5..... And rates Conrad Smith at 7.5. So much for JJ owning Smith. Personally I think Keo's 6 is still a bit generous for the guy whose failed tackle ended our RC quest.
Dave I'll go over your play by play summary when I have time....starting with the match kick off he botched....missed that one I see.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2013, 22:49
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06 Oct 2013, 22:49#13
Well Conrad Smith getting 7.5 is a joke and even you know that.......he never made a single break or beat a single defender and his two missed tackles were against JJ.

I dont think JJ got a hand to that kick off and I dont expect an outside centre to be a master of kick off takes, just like I dont expect them to be masters at clearing for touch.
 So Jean is the first to miss Barrett, Morne the second and JJ the third......but according to you its JJ who lost us the RC - how exactly do you figure that one out?

As for Keo, well its Keo.......the less said the better
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
06 Oct 2013, 23:04
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06 Oct 2013, 23:04#14
Yeah,JJ played awesome.  Very unlucky not to score a couple tries.  Only desperate cover defence prevented him from winning the game for SA.  I wouldn't be focusing my scorn on JJ if I were a Bokke supporter.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2013, 23:13
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06 Oct 2013, 23:13#15
Exactly Nuke.......but for some unknown reason Moz just does not rate this guy and never will.

He was not a fan of Jacque Fourie either. JJ will prove better than Fourie though and I was a big Fourie fan
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Oct 2013, 23:27
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06 Oct 2013, 23:27#16
Okay Dave here is my take having looked at the Barrett try again. The Boks are thin out left and Jean rushes up to snuff out the threat. Barrett steps inside him and Morne makes  unexpected contact with him. Morne forces him to the right,  right slap into JJs arms while Morne slips off him, as he is now JJs man....it's a classical modern defensive structure. You pass the lateral mover to the next tackler But he runs straight through JJ and beats the sieve Kirchner tackle attempt. The player who hit Barrett head on was JJ, but it was a feeble effort, he was on his heels flapping . Check out the point where Barrett moves to take the passJJ is already on his heels.
This was exactly the scenario I have feared...it was Bosch all over. Morne and Jean had a hand, but JJ ended up as the guy who had him lined up....and failed.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2013, 00:16
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07 Oct 2013, 00:16#17
Wrong Moz, Jean's miss is poor and Morne is the inside man, there is nothing unexpected for Morne to take on, he has Barrett running in the direction between him and JJ......Morne being the inside man is expected to tackle him.....the basic's of any defensive structure. The inside man always takes the man with ball in hand and JJ will have trusted that Morne tackle Barrett as he will have been covering the outside channel. 

Morne makes a pathetic attempt at a tackle by going high......JJ expecting Morne to make the tackle would never have been fully commited or aligned for the tackle.......for if JJ had been fully committed and aligned, he would have tackled Barrett with ease, for JJ does not miss one on one tackles.

Jean was the first to miss Barrett, Morne the second and JJ the third......blaming JJ alone is laughable......he is the least guilty of the 3 as Barrett was never his man
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2013, 00:22
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07 Oct 2013, 00:22#18
Only problem with that is Barrett ran smack bang into JJ ...head on. Morne was making a last second tackle from the side. But regardless of what you think about Morne, JJ was perfectly placed to make the tackle. He went high and without conviction.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Oct 2013, 00:27
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07 Oct 2013, 00:27#19

Two experienced Springboks and one inexperienced one miss a tackle on the same individual and he scored a try.

 

Mozart's golden rule stands firm - all blame is to be assigned to the inexperienced player - Morne is always blameless - but his attempt in this case was not feeble - it was near to zero.   More like slapping the man on his back and wishing him well in scoring a try.

 

All three are at fault - not only Engelbrecht.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2013, 00:33
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07 Oct 2013, 00:33#20
No they are both at fault....but JJ missed the tackle . Your change since yesterday is a joke Oom.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2013, 00:48
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07 Oct 2013, 00:48#21
Nope I am watching the incident as I type and Morne is in a perfect position to tackle Barrett but makes a feeble attempt and goes high, its as feeble as Jean rush out and attempt to tackle Barrett. If you rush out of line you have to make the hit.

Barrett then heads straight between Morne and JJ......you can see JJ hesitate as he expects Morne to make the tackle and tries to take him from behind leading with his left shoulder.


Its simple, if Morne had committed and gone low he would have tackled Barrett with ease, JJ is never in a position to align the tackle properly, he is trying to take him from behind.

The player best positioned to tackle Barrett was Morne as Barrett was his man. Barrett goes between Morne and JJ and therefore its obvious who is meant to tackle the ball carrier.

The real point here is, that Jean, Morne, JJ and Kirchner missed Barrett and blaming JJ alone is laughable

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2013, 04:58
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07 Oct 2013, 04:58#22
Well firstly he isn't " young" ....he is 24, approaching mid career. And secondly I'm not blaming JJ alone. But as a practical matter I can't think of one point the Boks scored that JJ contributed to in any way. But I can think of at least 2 AB tries that he was directly involved with and one potential Bok try he blew. The arithmetic is undeniable.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Oct 2013, 08:29
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07 Oct 2013, 08:29#23

Mozart

 

I always watch games a second time and in some cases - such as the incident discussed - change my views on review of the game.   That happened in this case as well.  

 

You could have bluffed me by now saying you did not blame Engelbrecht alone for the missed tackle on Barrett.   Just o ne thing was Morne not Barrett's direct opponent in the game?

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Oct 2013, 09:50
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07 Oct 2013, 09:50#24
 

Well … it’s pointless you giving us a minute by minute progress report on JJ’s play cause we’ve already noticed your tendency to adding a little spice to every dish you try to serve up.


I see your now admitting that JJ's had a quite RC season so far … funny how you were proclaiming him as the next best 13 on the planet last week and every other week he played ... I mean he was jinking all over the friggin place last week, setting up tries and so forth ... wasn’t he, Stupid???


Waaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaa!! 


Still a little confused i see??!! Well admitting the truth is the first step to recovery, Dumbass!!


However, it’s still a hell of a thing when one looks toward a player and sees he’s had his best game to date in the Bok jersey … yet still falls hopelessly short of where a Bok outside center should be.


Somehow I don’t think he announced anything to the world …. other than his incompetence ... definitely not his international test arrival as you so ignorantly put.


He’s a liability, Stupid. Just as Jannie is … and Kirchner and Kruger.


Oh and another thing, Stupid … Coenie is NOT A TEST TIGHTHEAD … You got that now, Stupid ???


I guess we’ll wait for a few months till you have a change of heart and come clean about that as well.

 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2013, 13:25
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07 Oct 2013, 13:25#25

CancerCunt........try fucking read my post properly you ignorant twat......I said he had a quieter last 3 tests, does that constitute the whole year you idiot. How thick are you?

 

 

So you are commenting on the credentials of an outside centre, when your choice of Bok 13 is Pat Howard, the player playing for WP U21.......keep digging dumbass.

 

I take it you watched the Lions game where the commentators informed us all how much the side was missing Jantjies at 10. Seems the consensus is that Boshoff has no attacking clout at all, he only offers a kicking option at 10.......this will be the same Boshoff that is your choice as Bok 10 - how fucking stupid can one man be?

 

 

Last I checked Coenie was only playing tighthead.......wonder why that is, could it be because he is now a tighthead. But wait for it, your Bok tighthead choice is Marcel v/d Merwe, currently playing loosehead for the Bulls.

 

 

Look here CancerCunt, stop embarrassing yourself with pathetic ignorant comments relating to rugby.......do you not realise how fucking stupid you come across.

 

 

How on earth can you expect anyone to take your shit seriously.......I mean you bash JJ, but want Howard as your Bok 13, you bash Coenie, but want Marcel as your Bok 3............you are obviously tooooooo thick to realise just how stupid you sound.

 

 

But keep posting, I love your rugby ignorance.......you started therapy yet?

 

 

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
07 Oct 2013, 13:40
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07 Oct 2013, 13:40#26
 I think that, when experienced players consistently miss tackles or go for intercepts, a la JDV on Saturday, leaving his team to defend his channel as well as their own, very close to the line that results in a score, that is more damaging than a relatively new player who might find themselves having to scramble back and not make a tackle that should have been made by another player/players and who is now being blamed for a loss when he has been one of the bright sparks in the teams attacking play this Season, is pretty lame really.


But then again, we've all been here many times before when we know Mozart !!!!








DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Oct 2013, 14:10
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07 Oct 2013, 14:10#27

 Now, now Becs, there's no need to get personal, everyone's entitled to differ for whatever reason. Dave by his own admission has been wrong in the past as we well know.

 

 

But back to JJ and I'm sticking to what I believe, he's young, athletic and seems strong, far from the finished product......allow him time, I'm dying to see improvement and for that reason I'll wait until next year.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2013, 14:20
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07 Oct 2013, 14:20#28
Twenty four, almost twenty five and he's young? Hell at 22 O Driscoll and Joubert were ripping Oz apart.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Oct 2013, 15:43
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07 Oct 2013, 15:43#29
 
Giving him time is a fair comment ... however not at test level though. He should first go get his shit together at club or provincial level before coming anywhere near a test match.

Stupid, you chop and change your statements from post to post ... who can keep up with you. Not even you know what nonsense your gonna post next.

One moment he's a genius in every test he's played in ... the next he's been a little "quiet" the last few tests. Then he's jinking and then well ... who the fuck knows.

Make up your mind you friggin arsehole!!!

I know ... maybe he's been brilliant in a quiet sort of a way ... what you think??



 



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2013, 22:50
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07 Oct 2013, 22:50#30
CancerCunt.......there in no need to liar........we know you are as thick as pigshit and know stuff all about rugby........I suppose being a lying Cunt probably suites you. If the shoes fits as they say.
Hows Boshoff coming along as our Bok 10........bwhaaahaaaa........what about Jacques Engelbrecht as our Bok 8..........fuck me, what a clueless prick.

I'd love to see your second choice Bok side, my guess is that you dont know another 15 SA players.......too bloody stupid?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Oct 2013, 00:07
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08 Oct 2013, 00:07#31
Almost 25???
Joubert debut was at age 22, JJ was 23.........ripping Oz apart, I think not......Joubert scored 9 tries in 30 tests, 3 of which were in 1 test against NZ and another against Uruguay. JJ already has 4 tries in 9 tests.
In his pro career Joubert has scored 31 tries and is still playing, JJ has scored 52 and is only 24. 
I liked Joubert, but JJ is going to prove far better


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Oct 2013, 01:56
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08 Oct 2013, 01:56#32

 JJ will be 25 before the next S15.

 


 

On Joubert,  this is him against Oz in 2002 at age 23. The two tries included a brilliant corner flagger completed on his back and 60 metre strike which left Latham and his buddies grasping at air.

 


 

Great test centres arrive young....some start on the wing....but by 23 they are often regarded as the best in the game, they are not apprentices at 25. 

 

 

Outside Centre Marius Joubert WP 23 6 2 tries
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Oct 2013, 10:02
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08 Oct 2013, 10:02#33

Well JJ is one of the best test 13 out there, in fact I think he is the best.......by the time JJ reaches the age of 28 or so, he will have left Jouberts test trying record in the dust.

 

JJ has only had one year at centre and is already up there with the best.

 

As I said, I liked Joubert but he has nothing on JJ........never had the pace or feet JJ has

 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Oct 2013, 11:02
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08 Oct 2013, 11:02#34
 
Well of course he is ... he knows how to jink without actually jinking. He can throw a dummy in such a way that no one actually sees it ... truly brilliant ... !!!!!

Makes me think he may be related to Chuck Norris who's quite capable of sending a text message ... from a pay phone.

Sooooooooo from a genius all season long .... um ... to a little quiet the last few tests ... to ... ummmmm .... one of the best test center out there ...

Truly amazing ... his first season as a center ... knows NOTHING about center play ... has NO CLUE how to defend as a center ... and he's already amongst the best in the world ... and oh by the way ... pigs can fly too ...

Did you know that ... hey Stoopid??? Truly they can ... and if you look carefully you'll see there's a jink in their flight ...

 


 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Oct 2013, 13:41
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08 Oct 2013, 13:41#35
Cancer are you actually talking rugby here?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Mar 2025, 15:40
#36
04 Mar 2025, 15:40#36

Sound familiar?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
04 Mar 2025, 17:31
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04 Mar 2025, 17:31#37

Dave actually did a blow by blow analysis on JJ? He must have been in love.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Mar 2025, 17:35
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04 Mar 2025, 17:35#38

Nothing remotely similar about the JJ’s


JJ Englebrecht handed Conrad Smith his arse in that series - he was good all year


But it became clear later on that he lacked the hard edge and at least I was man enough, unlike you, to admit I got him wrong and said as much


He had all the skills was a great athlete but you can’t play test rugby being a softie


If Jurenzo Julius fails I’ll be happy to concede I was wrong - but that’s never going to happen for we know already that Jurenzo is super talented and certainly has the hard edge to go with it

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Mar 2025, 18:28
#39
04 Mar 2025, 18:28#39

‘It became clear later on’….out of the mouths of babes. Let’s wait for later on with JJ redux.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Mar 2025, 18:37
#40
04 Mar 2025, 18:37#40

We won’t be waiting on Jurenzo I just know he is going to make your name arse

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