The matured Frans Steyn - What a wonderful team player

The ruling is consistent with how contact upw ards of the neck area is treated. Everyone gets all worked up when there is no consistency.....well, there it is.

None of us disputed the yellow card. Some of us did say he was unlucky. My position was always that he was unlucky that the Wallaby slipped in the tackle, not that he received the yellow card. It's funny how some people got worked up over the description of the tackle. All that fuss for nothing...

1. Initial contact was not above the shoulder
2. The arm slipped up after contact around the neck
3. The Wallaby in question fell in the tackle
4. Andre followed through with his momentum
5. Andre dragged the said Wallaby into touch

The crazy triplets have a field day finding reasons to glorify the useless Esterhuizen on his performance on Saturday,   The yellow card was a farce - should be ignored,  The poor play otherwise should be ignored.   He ran about 8 meters with the ball and passed it to Nkosi so he is credited with the a try assist - the  Jantjies try,   Jean de Villiers said at halftime there was a midfield defense problem - so De Villiers knows nothing of the game - they saw no defense deficiency,    There were no knock-on of a pass to him and Idiot Speak saw no kick direct into touch and initially give him 7,5 for his performance in the game and change that when he saw other people laugh at his delirium.

This is the worst farce in years and the question remains - who was the best Idiot Speaker around?   

I have never seen anything like that before on site - I have seen rank stupidity and rugby illiteracy - but this show was special,   But that was not all,  When Steyn came on his presence scared the shit out of opponents and it caused panic because he puts defense pressure on the Aussies.   He never made a single tackle -m so it must be pretended that he did make tackles and he Beale try is ignored when Beale ran past Steyn as if he was not there.

Then we have the craziness continues - the Du Toit line break preceding the De Jager try was ignored n total and the kick he made was stupid - the ball gathered by Jantjies could have bounced another way,  So best to ignore that incident and also ignore that De Jager scored a try, 

This is the tops in the Idiocy Stakes - have to LMAO         

The crazy triplets have a field day finding reasons to glorify the useless Esterhuizen on his performance on Saturday,   The yellow card was a farce - should be ignored,  The poor play otherwise should be ignored.   He ran about 8 meters with the ball and passed it to Nkosi so he is credited with the a try assist - the  Jantjies try,   Jean de Villiers said at halftime there was a midfield defense problem - so De Villiers knows nothing of the game - they saw no defense deficiency,    There were no knock-on of a pass to him and Idiot Speak saw no kick direct into touch and initially give him 7,5 for his performance in the game and change that when he saw other people laugh at his delirium.

This is the worst farce in years and the question remains - who was the best Idiot Speaker around?   

I have never seen anything like that before on site - I have seen rank stupidity and rugby illiteracy - but this show was special,   But that was not all,  When Steyn came on his presence scared the shit out of opponents and it caused panic because he puts defense pressure on the Aussies.   He never made a single tackle -m so it must be pretended that he did make tackles and he Beale try is ignored when Beale ran past Steyn as if he was not there.

Then we have the craziness continues - the Du Toit line break preceding the De Jager try was ignored n total and the kick he made was stupid - the ball gathered by Jantjies could have bounced another way,  So best to ignore that incident and also ignore that De Jager scored a try, 

This is the tops in the Idiocy Stakes - have to LMAO         

so it must be pretended that he did make tackles and he Beale try is ignored when Beale ran past Steyn as if he was not there

Firstly, Beale didn't score a try. Foley did.

Secondly, Beale broke past Marcell Coetzee and Orie, not Steyn.

Here's the break and everyone in attendance. At what point does Beale run past Steyn?

Hi

Excuse my ignorance.

Who is Orie?

And may I just add - what an absolute clanger to produce while you're in the process of accusing other people of "BS".

Marvin Orie, lock from the Lions, Chippo.

Where was Steyn anyway - he should line up against the Aussie backline players and was missing,

Oh, so Beale didn't run past him then?

I'm glad Steyn's back in the mix ...... our midfield resources are painfully thin plus there's his versatility & booming boot. If his kop's in the right place & reading his interview, fings are looking good.

Dramatisation to warp what person really said: 

1. The crazy triplets have a field day finding reasons to glorify the useless Esterhuizen on his performance on Saturday
2. The yellow card was a farce - should be ignored
3. The poor play otherwise should be ignored.   
4. He ran about 8 meters with the ball and passed it to Nkosi so he is credited with the a try assist - the  Jantjies try,   
5. Jean de Villiers said at halftime there was a midfield defense problem - so De Villiers knows nothing of the game - they saw no defense deficiency
6. There were no knock-on of a pass to him
7. Idiot Speak saw no kick direct into touch
8. Initially give him 7,5 for his performance in the game and change that when he saw other people laugh at his delirium.
9. When Steyn came on his presence scared the shit out of opponents and it caused panic because he puts defense pressure on the Aussies.
10. He never made a single tackle -m so it must be pretended that he did make tackles and he Beale try is ignored when Beale ran past Steyn as if he was not there.
11. The Du Toit line break preceding the De Jager try was ignored n total and the kick he made was stupid

1. Gather the information I have posted and you'll see I have commented on his total contributions in the game - I have all the time stamps available. I critiqued everything. 
2. At no point did I ever contest the yellow card. I did describe the tackle and concluded he was unlucky that the Wallaby fell in the tackle. You took it upon yourself to dispute that description because you wanted to exaggerated the level of recklessness and contact. In short, you lied. You took something that wasn't an issue and turned it into an argument. Then you made dozens of personal attacks when I disagreed. As everyone here can see, you are wrong. 
3. Poor play should be ignored? I pointed out Andre's yellow card tackle and kick into touch in my ratings thread. I literally said that he "let himself down" with those mistakes. 
4. When did I award a try assist to Andre? Do show me where anyone has done this. I said he "played his part" in the try by "getting Nkosi away". At what point is that a fallacy? He got his wing into space and behind the line, after that it was a 2v1 to the Boks. Try. You were upset that Andre, with his 1.6% possession, was able to contribute to the Boks early score. Why? It damages your narrative that he was "useless". 
5. As has been revealed by Pakie, Jean was wrong. My own assessment of the game has confirmed the same. If you believe this is wrong, then provide the details. The onus is on you to prove your point. Calling people stupid doesn't win a debate. 
6. No-one said it wasn't a knock-on. I personally don't believe that Andre was ever supposed to get the ball. We can debate that one, but I stand by my view on it. As far as I'm concerned the plan was to give Gelant the ball. 
7. Actually, it was in my very first post on the game! You are lying again. 
8. I gave Andre a 7.5? No. You assumed I gave him a 7.5. You have done this in the past, where you make an assumption on past ratings. One of them was your fictitious quote on Steph where you claimed I "attacked" him after the home Aussie win last year. In fact, I rated him the highest Bok on the day! You have often used the "you edited" cop-out after your lies were exposed. Pakie caught you and Rump out in February with that lie. If you weren't lying, then you probably confused that with the 7.5 I awarded Louw. 
9. Again more dramatisation. Quote me on that. I dare you. 
10. This was debunked above. 
11. I never said it was stupid. However, Moz's point about a better option is a valid one. I'm content to leave it be, as I have yet to ever raise the issue of the kick. In fact, in my ratings thread I said: "Credit to his inside break after a quick inside ball from Herschel set him free. An even better pinpoint chip for Herschel to gather."

No BSter 

You found out that people laugh at you about the 7,5 and change it afterwards   Everybody knows that.  My summary was correct in all respects - Idiot Speaker.   

What people? You seem to be forgetting that you are in a minority group of one Tokkie! 

How desperate you are. 

"My summary was correct in all respects - idiot speaker"

Sure, I can see that from the above! Maybe you just haven't found out that the people are laughing at you yet.

Ah sorry Pakie. I h ad a bit of a brain fart for a second. I totally forgot that Orie played. I thought you had given someone else a nickname.

Doh!

@Mike

"Where was Steyn anyway - he should line up against the Aussie backline players and was missing,"

You are the biggest idiot here.

1. He may have been in the previous phase
2. He may have been protecting an inside channel
3. He may have made the previous tackle

What kind of crap are you smoking in your old age?

Didn't you know Chippo? Backs are supposed to line up and defend against the oppo backs. Also 10 should tackle 10, 11 against 11 even if they're on opposite sides of the field and 12 v 12 so that Duh Allende gets to play the fool with Nonu.

Rugby 101 Duh!!!!!

hahaha

Xavi you beaut.

Well I can of course pinpoint a clumsy play by Steph at the Kriel/Toomua tackle just before the Beale break which resulted in two things:

1- quick tackle ball for the Aussies
2- Kriel being pinned defending the space behind the tackle instead of being able to fan out into the line

But who needs the fallout, right?

More absurd BS about Allende. He has knocked back loose forwards in tackles. great strength and good skills.  Best 12 in SA  who is better. Give me a break from this ongoing BS.

Why don't you find them Herr Sitzsack! 

Herr Sitzsack leaves me no choice. Let the viewing commence.

Tome top get some sense  back om site.   I have seen so much BS from Mozart, AO and Pakie on the game on Saturday that I have decided that they have developed a warped now language called Idiot Speak.

They will be guilty of Idiot Speak until they start to be honest about what really happened in matches - but I cannot see that happening anytime soon.   They have used and abused  Idiot Speak for the past five years - so I am not optimistic about any improvement.        

I have seen so much BS from Mozart, AO and Pakie on the game on Saturday

Yet you have been unable to refute a single thing I've said. If there was this much BS floating around, surely refuting it should be a walk in the park. You can just run through the first half quickly and find us all those myriad of gaps that the midfield left according to you and Jean. Why haven't you?

As has been pointed out to you recently: calling people stupid/idiots/BSers doesn't constitute an argument, nor does it help you win one.

You are talking the normal KAK and that is a fact.  Read the following:-

 Defensive frailties

A negative from a Springbok perspective was the fact that they slipped several tackles, especially in the first half where the Wallabies were doing most of the playing.

According to the tournament's official website, the Springboks missed 26 tackles compared to the 15 of the Wallabies.

The All Blacks lie in wait next weekend and similar statistics on defense would be disastrous for the Boks. 

You obviously did not want to see what happened during the game and made De Villiers out as a liar for the comments he made at halftime.

Are you blaming Du Toit now for the Beale Try.  Sounds like typical Idiot Speak to me. 

Reread my responding post for details. 

Oh no, the Foley try had so many little things going wrong you can't blame any one person. There's Steph's clumsy attempt to attack the ball on the ground, bending too far over the tackled player and missing him completely, Marcell Coetzee caught ball watching and aligning himself in no man's land, Orie lining up too wide of Beale, Reinach making superb ground to get to Foley and then making a horrible attempted tackle (and if he had stayed closer to the tackle as a scrummie should instead of positioning himself way out on the wing he would have had less ground to make and caught Foley much earlier), Kriel committing to Beale on the chase even though he was already being successfully tackled. Lots of things could have gone better for the Boks there, but it's heat of the moment stuff, split second judgements. Sometimes you get them right, sometimes you don't.

So the first player named  is D i Toit in both cases - what a ton of Idiot Speak coming out and we have to accept it.   Listen Idiot Speakers ignore what De Villiers said - compared to the three Idiot Speakers Jean knows nothing about rugby - and you are the true experts.   

So now Du Toit is blamed for both tries scored by the Aussies.  Idiot Speaking at its loudest.   Carry on. LMAO         

Pakie, I implore you to cease this brutal dismantling of the beleaguered Lügnerin!