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The missing BIG FIVE

Started by Saffolk 24 REPLIES943 VIEWS· 17 Nov 2021, 18:12
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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Nov 2021, 18:12
#1
17 Nov 2021, 18:12#1
The Boks are currently without 5 world class players but still doing the job Malherbe The unsung hero of the Bok pack RG Snyman Arguably close to being the best lock in the game. As good as Lood is, RG is even better and has to partner Eben on his return PSDT World player of the year and easily the best blindside in the game. We have missed his physicality in a big way. Kwagga has had some good moments but playing as an openside. PSDT restores the balance of the loose trio Faf Boy have we missed his energy evidenced by how poor Jantjies has been Kolbe Arguably the best player in the game right now. We have missed his step and ability to create something from nothing
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2021, 18:28
#2
17 Nov 2021, 18:28#2

Actually things got much better after Dud left….Malherbe was lucky in the penalty stakes in a few tests, arguably part of the mix but well covered by Koch and co,

I agree Kolbe has to create something out of nothing…Bok back play is non existent.

Snyman is a fabulous athlete, but will he be allowed to offload in the Harrassmiss set up.

Faf is undoubtedly missed….the Big One.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Nov 2021, 18:36
#3
17 Nov 2021, 18:36#3

Another day - another misrepresentation as expected.    One should actually just laugh at the rugby stupidity involved,    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2021, 18:37
#4
17 Nov 2021, 18:37#4

Actually I laughed at Rublev…., you sure know how to pick ‘em.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Nov 2021, 18:54
#5
17 Nov 2021, 18:54#5

I never picked him stooge - the following is the last comment I wrote about Rublev:-

I thought Rublev  was not up to standard and his loss against Paul was not unexpected.    He seems to lose games because of his wild and irresponsible game when in the lead.   In two  games in of the  third  set he was 15-40 up and lost both games.   His confidence is lacking and he will have to get over it if he wants to remain in the top 10 rankings.    

By the way I do not make a total fool of myself like you do.   Remember Alcaraz  and the ares hole you make of yourslef when he lost against Murray - three weeks later he gave Murray a real tennis lesson.   Then you went ballistic about Gaston  - Alcaraz beat him easily in the major EOY Campions tournament for Under 21 players.  He is just 18 years old and  the other players were 20 and 21 year olds.   Keep on making a fool of yourself - you ignorant prcik.      .    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2021, 19:07
#6
17 Nov 2021, 19:07#6

Actually you completely missed the point about Gaston…I was making fun of the result. As usual the English language proved a bridge too far.

But 6 months ago Rublev was your man to take it all, don’t pretend he wasn’t.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Nov 2021, 19:15
#7
17 Nov 2021, 19:15#7

Malherbe was excellent in 2018, then awful in 2019, but kind of built up a bit of form after the NZ WC defeat. He has been well off the pace in every game, belly flopping constantly.

Kolbe hasn't been playing well when available. Aerial inferiority and defensive lapses. Another player on a downward trajectory under the hand of Josè?

PTSD is not needed. A very mediocre player. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Nov 2021, 19:33
#8
17 Nov 2021, 19:33#8
Stop speaking shit Moz Mostert was utterly useless at 7 when he came in for the injured PSDT so much so he was dropped for an openside in Kwagga so stop speaking crap We lost to Oz twice and NZ without PSDT so how the fuck did things improve PSDT is the best blindside in the game Of the 5 missing, I’d say we have missed him and Faf the most because in Nkosi we had a good substitute for Kolbe, in Lood we have the incumbent who is ahead of RG anyway and in Nyakane we have a great substitute for Malherbe. Jantjies should have been a good substitute for Faf but he is in shit form. Useless Mostert was never going to measure up to PSDT, he was more than a disappointment
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Nov 2021, 19:39
#9
17 Nov 2021, 19:39#9

Yeah, sure. A blindsider who defends like a baby giraffe on ice would have been more effective against Aus and NZ. He has a very poor history of fronting up to those sides, they bamboozle him time and again. PTSD is a poor man's Muller out of position and out of his depth. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Nov 2021, 19:56
#10
17 Nov 2021, 19:56#10
Omelette what part of me not giving a toss about anything you have to say do you not comprehend huh? Seriously answer that question yellow belly
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2021, 20:07
#11
17 Nov 2021, 20:07#11

Poor old Pieter Steff du Toit,  17 tackles made/5 missed against the Lions…..versus Mostert’s 29 tackles made/3 missed in the same 2 matches. Running? Dud gained a massive 8 metres in 6 carries. And then was monstered by a wing and injured again. How the blue blazes can we miss that!

Meanwhile Mostert just grinds on absorbing  all the punishment, being in the right place at the right time….saving the Boks’ bacon with a critical lineout steal right on the Boks’ line vs Scotland.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Nov 2021, 20:16
#12
17 Nov 2021, 20:16#12
Mostert was so useless as a blindside he was dropped for a small openside Case closed
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Nov 2021, 21:01
#13
17 Nov 2021, 21:01#13
Yes these are five quality players. But just recently Malherbe had a dip.Du Toit is a great loss. Anybody suggesting otherwise is a buffoon. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Nov 2021, 21:01
#14
17 Nov 2021, 21:01#14
Yes these are five quality players. But just recently Malherbe had a dip.Du Toit is a great loss. Anybody suggesting otherwise is a buffoon. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Nov 2021, 23:18
#15
17 Nov 2021, 23:18#15

A great loss which coincided with the turnaround of the Lions’ series…..uhm….,something wrong with that picture. LMAOFY&Y!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Nov 2021, 23:42
#16
17 Nov 2021, 23:42#16
How did we do in the RC then without him?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Nov 2021, 00:42
#17
18 Nov 2021, 00:42#17

Oh, we came third in the Rugby Cup….what’s your point?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Nov 2021, 01:08
#18
18 Nov 2021, 01:08#18
Well you tell me we improved in the Lions series after PSDT left which is bullshit But if that was the case then why did we lose to Oz twice and NZ once without PSDT Your theory sucks
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Nov 2021, 01:55
#19
18 Nov 2021, 01:55#19

Steph had the worst defensive record under Josè but its the best in the game, but Wiese's 98% is a problem. I'm beginning to see a common problem with the Kak Pack: innumeracy. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
18 Nov 2021, 16:10
#20
18 Nov 2021, 16:10#20

Not sure about Malherbe, Trevor has been a solid job at tight head. Koch is better and so is Louw, he struggled during the lions. 

Steph definitely, Kolbe yes, De  Klerk too. RG hasn't played since the WC final. So no longer in contention, don't know if he would ever play again. But I would love to see him and Eben together

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Nov 2021, 19:20
#21
18 Nov 2021, 19:20#21
What edge does Steph give us against New Zealand and Australia? The clown is continually exposed against them. Is running into the wrong man a big achievement? Is he too short-sighted to make reads? 
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Nov 2021, 20:52
#22
18 Nov 2021, 20:52#22

Dave you are soon to receive an invite from CM to join him for an evening at the Malherba's .

Don't forget to get his autograph and a photo of the three of you.

Enjoy the evening.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Nov 2021, 21:08
#23
18 Nov 2021, 21:08#23

Dave let me try to help…..against the Lions we had a game and a half with Dud that we lost…..and then a game and a half without Dud that we won handsomely.

Reasonable conclusion Dud was not necessary for our success.

We had 4 games against Oz and NZ….3 of which we lost……all without Dud. What conclusion can one reach about that…..nothing. You can’t have a controlled experiment of a player’s effect on the team if he wasn’t present.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Nov 2021, 21:12
#24
18 Nov 2021, 21:12#24

Ranks about 30th as a carrier, and that's just South Africans ball carriers, has statistically the most porous defence. Can't pass. What does he actually do? Much less what does he do well. At the breakdown? Every now and then a positive contribution. Not enough to be a trend. The Kak Pack have no answers, just shouting opinions like Eric Cartman. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Nov 2021, 21:18
#25
18 Nov 2021, 21:18#25
Nice try Moz but I don’t buy it. It was so obvious that we were missing PSDT in the RC, so much so his useless replacement in Mostert was dropped for a small openside in Kwagga, effectively changing the balance of our loose trio and forcing us to play it slightly differently
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