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The Ooms real ranking of Pollard

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2014, 02:16
#1
14 Aug 2014, 02:16#1
clevermike
 
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Posts: 12224RE: Timo Swiel- Fullback or Flyhalf
January 11, 2013, 22:52:35

Sharkbok

Ater watching that video - I called Swiel "the Ball Sense Wiz Kid"  - he really is something special.   I think he is equally good -whether at full back or at flyhalf.   Even Saffex rates him as a better flyhalf than Pollard.   We will see lots of him over the next decade.

Let me add a prediction - within 5 years time this kid will play rugby for ENGLAND - because the politicos here will insist that place must be found for Earl Jantjies - the useless. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2014, 02:25
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14 Aug 2014, 02:25#2
 clevermike
 
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Posts: 12224RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 16:18:04

Ek

I don't think Tony Jantjies started in the Under 21 Final - he came on fairly late as a replacement.

I like Pollard - but I think he is not as good as a ball player.    I think he is more like Morne Steyn in most of the games I saw him play in.   Solid - seemingly a better ball distributor than Morne is at present - but on the "dull" side.   That is perhaps why he decided to move to the Bulls - their style of play would fit him like a glove.

I believe smaller players - Like Lambie has to have a cleverer approach to play - and they are much more adventurous.   As an example I don't think Pollard would from his style of play ever score 14 tries in Craven week - like Swiel managed to do.

I also think Goosen can be classified as a "clever" player.   Let me add - I prefer "clever" players - ie those with ball sense - at flyhalf than the more predestrian ones. " 

 



As  you can see the Oom had a very low opinion of Pollard, and now the hypocrite is pretending he was always a big fan.....stinking liar.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2014, 02:29
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14 Aug 2014, 02:29#3
 clevermike
 
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Posts: 12224RE: Latest SA u20 squad
December 12, 2012, 15:04:59

I watched a replay of the Under 21 final and looked specifically at Swiel and Kolbe -  I liked very much what I saw.   Kolbe is a class act and Swiel has a lot of ball sense - clever player.   In the latter repect he is actually better than Pollard.   

Not sure about the others though.   Any news about the ancestry of Morne Du Plessis?   I could phone Rob Louw and ask him - he may know. 


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
14 Aug 2014, 02:38
#4
14 Aug 2014, 02:38#4
Straight from the horses mouth. The real story unveiled!!!!!! For the rest of the career of Pollard, it must be remembered that Mike called him the next Morne Steyn!
clevermike
 

I think he is not as good as a ball player.    I think he is more like Morne Steyn in most of the games I saw him play in.   


While we are all allowed to change our mind on young players, it must be remembered what each of us said about the player in the beginning. 

*It is how many right calls vs how many wrong calls. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2014, 02:44
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14 Aug 2014, 02:44#5
 clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 12224RE: Baby Boks win ugly
June 14, 2013, 10:24:31I was severely depressed by the performance of the Juniors - if this is the future of SA Rugby we are indeed in deeper trouble than we all think possible.

The forwards were deplorably poor and showed nothing in grunt and a hell of a lot in useless weight and size. Ball-handling skills were non-existent and even the highly touted Jacques du Plessis excelled in spilling balls. He has a long way to go before he can even be considered for selection on CC level. Size - but the grunt is not in evidence. There was a replacement lock that came on late in the game - that upped the ante and showed some improvement.

In the backline Pollard tried an impersonation of Morne Steyn - kicking away possession and letting the opposition get the ball and run at the Juniors. He did what Morne did on Saturday and consequently placed his team under pressure -note the 20 minutes after halftime in the latter regard. He is not really theflyhalf we nee to play - so bring back Du Preez.

I can after last night see why the Coach started off with Pollard at center and did not pick Van Rensburg. Size is OK - all other skills missing. He was a huge disappointment.

The only Juniors that showed anything really positive was Swanepoel, Kolbe and Obi - the rest should be sent back to play for the Bulls because they are nothing better than Under 19 and Under 21 Bulls players - not worth national selection. This lot is going to lose in the semi against Wales and lose big time.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2014, 02:49
#6
14 Aug 2014, 02:49#6
But while the Oom was running down Pollard, he was talking up Swiel and Zeilinga as the next Bok flyhalf options. Nobody gets it more wrong, more often 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2014, 06:04
#7
14 Aug 2014, 06:04#7
 Mozart  - Your Dimness
Bullshitting again are you.   WE were watching a cideo and game where Swiel did exceptionally well.   That was in 2012 and I did say based on that video and specific game - Swiel did better than Pollard did at that stage 
Did that mean I was running diown Pollard - what I said was not running down anybody.  It is not your usual lies and deception when it comes to performances by players.   It does nor invent anything like you do - but it is based on what actually happened as proven by cideo evidence.  
You have a systen of denigration of players harping on what you say are deficiencies - without any substance whatsoever.  When challenged you produce no evidence - or when you try to do so - it turns out you are in fact denigrating a player through lies and deception.  
Just a little extra.   If somebody says a certain player is better than another player - is not denigrating any player if it is based if based on factual information available at that stage,    Unlike you who comes up with absurd disinformation to discredit players so as to glorify one player and denigrate the other.    
What happened was nearly two years ago and has no reference to the present time. You never even at that stage knew about Pollard and you only said in early June that Pollard is developing  and might in two years time be ready to take over the flyhalf duties from Fat Fransie Steyn - your favourite at that stage - and subsequently from Morne Steyn - the famous Stade Francais Reject.  There is enough factual evidence available about the two Steyns to substantiate what I wrote about those two,
Be it as it may - you were wrong about the two Steyns abd have been wrong consistently - so who are more wrong than you are about player performances?  Novody.                     
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Aug 2014, 10:29
#8
14 Aug 2014, 10:29#8
clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 12224RE: Timo Swiel- Fullback or Flyhalf
January 11, 2013, 22:52:35

Sharkbok

Ater watching that video - I called Swiel "the Ball Sense Wiz Kid"  - he really is something special.   I think he is equally good -whether at full back or at flyhalf.   Even Saffex rates him as a better flyhalf than Pollard.   We will see lots of him over the next decade.





Wait. I have to repeat o ne part:


Even Saffex rates him as a better flyhalf than Pollard.


Even Saffex rates him as a better flyhalf than Pollard.


Even Saffex rates him as a better flyhalf than Pollard.


Even Saffex rates him as a better flyhalf than Pollard.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2014, 14:31
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14 Aug 2014, 14:31#9

 "I wasn"t running diown Pollard"

 

In the backline Pollard tried an impersonation of Morne Steyn - kicking away possession and letting the opposition get the ball and run at the Juniors. He did what Morne did on Saturday and consequently placed his team under pressure -note the 20 minutes after halftime in the latter regard. He is not really theflyhalf we nee to play - so bring back Du Preez

 

 

 

In the backline Pollard tried an impersonation of Morne Steyn - kicking away possession and letting the opposition get the ball and run at the Juniors. He did what Morne did on Saturday and consequently placed his team under pressure -note the 20 minutes after halftime in the latter regard. He is not really theflyhalf we nee to play - so bring back Du Preez

 

 

In the backline Pollard tried an impersonation of Morne Steyn - kicking away possession and letting the opposition get the ball and run at the Juniors. He did what Morne did on Saturday and consequently placed his team under pressure -note the 20 minutes after halftime in the latter regard. He is not really theflyhalf we nee to play - so bring back Du Preez

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2014, 14:45
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14 Aug 2014, 14:45#10
 Mozart - The Dimness fool
OK - how far did you go back to find those quotes.  I am glad you realize how piss poor Morne Steyn is at flyhalf.   Since that was weitten Pollard did change his playing style and kicked much less and when he did it was not wild and aimless kicks like Morne did.  I think he elarned a lot since that was written.  
In any event - he has improved drastically and since you live in the past and does not really realize what is going on at present - you are at liberty to post as many as possible of my past comments and tred to imply that  the situation has not changed.  
So please go on and become more foolish than you already are.
By the way go to the thread on the team selections for the CR and see what is written there - you shameful old cad.  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Aug 2014, 14:51
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14 Aug 2014, 14:51#11
Uhmmmm wasn't there a remark somewhere that His Cluelessness and his buddy Safesex was writing Pollard UP two years ago? That is what is at the crux here. The lie about the matter, the blatant lie.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Aug 2014, 14:53
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14 Aug 2014, 14:53#12
 case closed.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Aug 2014, 14:58
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14 Aug 2014, 14:58#13
 Bloody hell, I just checked the dates again. Moz did not even have to go back the full two years... Just more than one year was enough to nail the clown.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
14 Aug 2014, 15:32
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14 Aug 2014, 15:32#14
 
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
15 Aug 2014, 16:25
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15 Aug 2014, 16:25#15
 and tghe kud has the gall to call mozart dim hahahahaha! man this is just too good. they should call this forum days of our lives. clevarmika got his ass served like a biatch, game ova ya'll
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
15 Aug 2014, 17:02
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15 Aug 2014, 17:02#16
 
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
15 Aug 2014, 18:14
#17
15 Aug 2014, 18:14#17
Jokes aside and Mike don't get over excited...lolz above, this Pollard will become a great player but what strikes one is the shallowness,fickleness and lack of memory of some fans.

The Sharks were on a mission....this mission was severely handicapped when the campaign suffered the loss of Reinach and Lambie in one game. I'm convinced if the Reinach/ Lambie combo was kept intact ( without those injuries) that would have given that extra edge to go all the way and would have made the difference...now.. if that is a reasonable assumption why cannot that be for the national side...ofcourse Bozo or Mozart won't agree but that does not really matter...this will eventually happen oneday and silence the cynics.
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
15 Aug 2014, 18:20
#18
15 Aug 2014, 18:20#18
 Lambie had as much edge as a circle. the kids a dud was always a dud.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2014, 18:55
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15 Aug 2014, 18:55#19
Lambie has as much edge as a....er well ..a Lambie. Reinach is a promising wing, perhaps he can reverse the Hougaard move, successfully.
But Chabal, if everybody debated as civilly as you do...perhaps we could actually make some progress.
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
15 Aug 2014, 20:21
#20
15 Aug 2014, 20:21#20

This...this is a Russian envoy of aid full of egg of Mikes face....


Does he realize that from this moment onwards no one will ever take him serious again.

He will need to go through a car wash to get this egg off his face.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2014, 01:43
#21
16 Aug 2014, 01:43#21
Yep  this is a deeply eggy moment for the poor OOm. But he has a thick skin, he is not even aware of the egg dripping off his gizzard.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Aug 2014, 02:19
#22
16 Aug 2014, 02:19#22
 

"He will need to go through a car wash to get this egg off his face."

 

 

True.

 

 

 

Mike, Stay down.....puleeeeez


 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 04:41
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16 Aug 2014, 04:41#23
 Mozart
OK - according to your quote I said something negative about what i saw in Pollard more than a year ago.  Lets look at the quote:-
"In the backline Pollard tried an impersonation of Morne Steyn - kicking away possession and letting the opposition get the ball and run at the Juniors. He did what Morne did on Saturday and consequently placed his team under pressure -note the 20 minutes after halftime in the latter regard. He is not really theflyhalf we nee to play - so bring back Du Preez"
That quote refers to a game in the JWC last year - when Pollard in fact alternate between playing at flyhalf and at inside center.   He was more at inside center than he was at flyhallf and the comments then was fully justified.   That I believe was in June last year in France.    And our campaign did not go well n that case - where we ended upp as the third rated team.  
I said Pollard kicked too much and that he was following Morne's piss poor playing style.   Those were facts at that time.   Since then Pollard played for -
*    for the Bulls at 10 in the Under 21 CC  in 2013- which was not shown on TV regularly and nobody really knew how he was developing; and
*    did not feature in the early part of the Super series this year and was not even on the bench until the Bulls played Potgieter at flyhalf and then put Pollard on the bench.   
There was a notable change when Pollard came from the bench a few times  - he did something which was vastly different from Morne - he attacked the gain line himself - with success - and he kicked much less than he did in the JWC last year.   That was a real positive.   That continued in the JWC this year.   
I am not one to discredit players through lies and misrepresentations - that is your forte.   Take everyone of the following in teh squad at present:-
*    You lied and go endlessly on about De Jager - even ridiculing his nickname "Lood"; 
*    Your lies about Reinach continued all the time;
*   You lied about Malherbe and was caught out in the case of the Welsh test last year;
*    You started discrediting De Allende during the Super Series this year and the criticism was based on one incident in the Chiefs game - but was generalized into that being what he showed throughout the year - the rest was a constant string of misrepresentation and outright lies. 
*     Even though Meyer praised Serfontein for his performances in the June series - your misrepresentation of his performances is legendary.        
At least I am honest about what I said about a specific match - you are constantly trying to discredit players - those you do not like because they pose a threat to your favourites.   I said something critical of Pollard about what happened in a game last year in the JWC based on fact at the time - I did not need to misrepresent facts like you do all the time.   You malign players all the time and the difference is that I base my comments on fact - you base yours on anything but the truth.
You now jumped on what I said about a factual situation in one game - your criticism of a string of players are in fact continuous and malicious.                

 





MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2014, 04:58
#24
16 Aug 2014, 04:58#24
Just produce one lie Oom. So far the only lie we have come across is you saying you supported Pollard from two years ago.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 06:08
#25
16 Aug 2014, 06:08#25
Mozart
Yoiu lie as per normal.  I said that we (Saffex and myself) wrote extensively about Pollard during the 2012  WC.   In 2013 he was not as good as he was in 2012 -.
What I said was that you "discovred" OPollard first on this site - but even then you claimed that he should eb slected to play for the Springboks after the next  WC.  My point was you knew nothing about Pollard until he came from the bench a few times s this year   in Super 16 and did well - as he did in the JWC this year.
The guy was lucky - he was not too  much in evidence earlier - otherwise he would not have been subjected to one of the Mozart malignancy campaigns you constantly use against other players contending for Springbok selection.


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Aug 2014, 11:39
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16 Aug 2014, 11:39#26
 Yep. Just as expected. I knew it was too big an ask when I asked for a simple coice between two options. Not even worth reading all of that BS. If a wanted to watch someone dancing around the issue, I would have checked if I couldn't find an episode of Strictly Come Dancing on-line somewhere.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 14:05
#27
16 Aug 2014, 14:05#27
 Verumoron 
What two options does the moron want me to choose from?
Mo(zart)mon
I will spent some time and list the last 100 lies you have been writing on this site - do not have time, want to go and watch the next game.     
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Aug 2014, 16:28
#28
16 Aug 2014, 16:28#28
 You're welcome. Just remember the links as well.

In any case, about the two options...... you know exactly what I am referring to. I have repeated myself often enough.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Aug 2014, 17:24
#29
16 Aug 2014, 17:24#29
 Pollard has made 3 errors in the first 15 minutes.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Aug 2014, 17:42
#30
16 Aug 2014, 17:42#30
 Pollard 4 errors after 30 minutes. I picked him for my fantasy rugby
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
17 Aug 2014, 19:40
#31
17 Aug 2014, 19:40#31
dup
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
06 Nov 2014, 21:03
#32
06 Nov 2014, 21:03#32
On the topic of old threads, this was an old favorite

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2015, 03:29
#33
06 Aug 2015, 03:29#33
Time for this classic once again.  
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Aug 2015, 03:55
#34
06 Aug 2015, 03:55#34
 I have to address something, this term ball sense. It doesn't means how you handle the ball. He misinterpreted my comment on Morne's sense of motion with players coming into the line, it had nothing to do with how well young Swiel handles his balls... So to speak... Oo'
So once again, Grandpa got it wrong. No doubt he'll persist iniusing this incorrectly. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2015, 08:04
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06 Aug 2015, 08:04#35
 What a wonderful situation we have here.  Digging up the past is one thing = living in the past is much, much worse.  Opinions on players can change based on there performance and development.    What is bad really is to be inability to change opinions based on actual facts.  
I saw potential for Pollard in 2012 - was disappointed in his actual performances in 2013 and saw a massive improvement in 2014.  That was realistic at the time when I wrote the above.  A real problem with Mozart and DF is that they live in the past and do not see present realities.  They then create skyscrapers without foundation as to the present performance scenario and refuse to see reality.  
The question remains what is worse - whether to assess a players performance situation as applicable at the time of writing or to live in the past and select players purely based on reputation without any regard to present performance.
This constant reference to what members said in the past about players reflects the thinking that there is no scope allowed  to change their minds about issues when circumstances change.  Bad news at best - to stick indefinitely to the same ideas irrespective of changing circumstances is an abomination - somnething Mozart and DF is specializing in.        
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Aug 2015, 09:23
#36
06 Aug 2015, 09:23#36
 I made no comment on the Pollard issue, I was addressing the issue which I declared to address when addressing it declaringly.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Aug 2015, 10:24
#37
06 Aug 2015, 10:24#37
 
Our top two tens are Lambie and Pollard ... in that order.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Aug 2015, 10:39
#38
06 Aug 2015, 10:39#38
Posted on 10 May 2014. A month later ou Tokkie tried to convince us that he has always rated Pollard as the be-all and end-all.


clevermike


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Rugs 


If I have to rate the present Super 15 flyhalfs I would say the following:=
1 =  Barrett2 =  Cruden3 =  Foley4 =  Soopoaga5 =  Mootua6 =  Hickey7 =  Slade8 =  Ebersohn9 =  Hegarty10 =  Cooper11 =  Goosen12 =  Lambie13 =  Boshoff14 =  Pollard15 =  Potgieter16 =  Watts17 =  Jantjies18 =  Coleman19 =  Steyn20 =  Grant
Only 1 SA flyhalf in the top 10 and he does not play for an SA side.  Ebersohn improved beyond recognition because he is better coached than the SA coaches - with the possible exception of Naka - provides.
The top 4 SA flyhalfs showed some decision making abilities -  the rest must be told in advance what they have to do - they cannot read games and make decisions on the field of play and  have to be spoon fed by the coaches.   The do not even know when to kick or pass and consistently do the wrong things at the wrong times.
Steyn can move up to 16 if he takes two positive rugby decisions and make 1 line break today - but I do not believe he is capable of either since those would be the first time this season either of the two would happen.      

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Aug 2015, 10:44
#39
06 Aug 2015, 10:44#39
 More proof that ou Tokkie has been punting Pollard as a Bok flyhalf since 2012.

clevermike

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Posts: 18428

RE: Baby Boks win ugly
June 14, 2013, 22:30:55


If you want to see more backline involvement remove the Morne clone (Pollard) from the team and put in Du Preez at flyhalf and [removed] all over the forwards..............
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Aug 2015, 10:50
#40
06 Aug 2015, 10:50#40
 Lambie? Splat ball runner with a short floaty pass who can't tackle or make decisions! Great!!! LMAO!!!!
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