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The really scary thing about this NZ win…

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2025, 15:19
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07 Sept 2025, 15:19#1

…is how poor NZ were.They did execute on an few chances gifted to them and made the easier by some poor tackling. Their lineout was more reliable than our’s and they were more effective hunting for the ball on the deck. But that was it.


For the rest they pretty much mimicked our game plan less effectively with a huge deficit in territory 40/60. They were essentially defending after minute 20 and box kicking. And Williams was far more pin point than Christie and got much better range on his clearance kicks. The lack of Mo’unga at 10 seems to be gumming up the works and their backs had none of the AB magic we have come to expect.


And then we get to the scrums. The ref never called a number of dominant Bok scrums, I think because we were dominant only on the loosehead side, so scrums wheeled a few times. If Wilco started with Ox they could be conceding a penalty in any scrum. That was apparent in the first Wilco scrum when we blew the ABs off the ball. You can’t win close matches with that flaw,


So while we have plenty of player options on the bench and in the squad, who are the players who can turn this around for NZ. Maybe one of the more combative scrumhalves would help, but who else. What happened to Clark who scored good tries last year?


But can NZ beat us again playing this tight game plan. Only if we are woeful. Playing Kolisi and Dud Toit together exposes us on the deck….always has. Persisting with Dud Allende ensures no backline cohesion. Leaving Sacha off the park may seem like risk avoidance but it’s also creativity avoidance.


Australia showed the way and it wasn’t box kicks. It was spreading the ball wide ….attacking the space behind the rush defense….and moving the 30.5 year old Bok team around the park The fact that NZ didn’t have the confidence to do this was shocking….more like the deer in the headlights AB WC teams in the 1999 to 2007 period than the teams we saw subsequently. They played this like a WC final…not to their strengths.


There is more parity at the top than we have seen in years….France, Ireland, the Boks, NZ, Oz and Argentina are all capable of winning on the day. The difference could be the coaching. And of all those teams NZ has regressed the most but expectations haven’t. NZ is a proud rugby nation


Razor has a horrible job, does he have the smarts to pull it off….it’s not clear. Perhaps NZ should pick up Schmidt if he leaves Oz this year….he is a Kiwi and a brilliant coach. He would still have enough time to get them in much better shape for 2027

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Sept 2025, 15:41
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07 Sept 2025, 15:41#2

Did not help conceding those two soft first tries


What the fuck was Willie doing?


As for Marx missing a one on one - that never happens


Strange

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
07 Sept 2025, 16:08
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07 Sept 2025, 16:08#3

Yep, Christie's box kicking was pretty average. I believe they have injury woes, both first choice scrumhalves (Ratima and the wunderkind Roigard) are out as I understand it, that's why they had a debutant on the bench. We also saw Eben hunting down Rieko - where's the strike power out wide? I can see why many NZ pundits are not happy with the direction Razor is taking the All Blacks. As you say they're literally mimicking the Boks box kick and chase style, and I can't remember the last time a NZ side looked this patchy. Take Jordan out and who do you fear in that backline? Nobody. Mateo Carreras, Delguy, Kolbe, Jorgenson - I haven't seen anything on the wing in a black jersey that rivals these guys for a good long while. Then you look at Chocobares/Cinti or Ikitau/Suaalii and you can barely move yourself to find space for any All Black (or Bok for that matter) center combo on the rivalry chart.

TM
The Mr McAllister Who Lives HereClub Pro120 posts
07 Sept 2025, 17:38
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07 Sept 2025, 17:38#4

There aren't any great test sides. Lots more even than has been the case for decades. The Boks could be more severely punished by every team if those teams were more tactically astute. Better analytics. There are obviously flaws we bemoan weekly that these coaching teams are clearly not picking up on. That said, New Zealand have been traditionally a team that trusts their own approach and doesn't adapt to whatever teams are doing. They've been in a state of flux for many years now. If they perform to their ability they are still better than the Boks. However, a good coach and better selections alone would give the Boks the advantage over every other test nation. It's a missed opportunity. We could have been dominant like New Zealand were from around 1995 to 2017.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Sept 2025, 18:06
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07 Sept 2025, 18:06#5

Fuck sake this fucking idiot is back


McAllister fuck off and go climb back into your hole you have not been missed at all

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Sept 2025, 19:30
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07 Sept 2025, 19:30#6

Mac


Do stay, stay for a long old time.


Don't worry about the pathetic excuse for a human being that calls himself Dave. He's good for laughing at, and not much more.



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Sept 2025, 20:45
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07 Sept 2025, 20:45#7

I’m out of here

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Sept 2025, 20:51
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07 Sept 2025, 20:51#8

Welcome back Mac :)

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Sept 2025, 21:08
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07 Sept 2025, 21:08#9

Lol Dave quitting the board because Aug is back.


Sounds to me like somebody was looking for reason to give up.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Sept 2025, 21:47
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07 Sept 2025, 21:47#10

Dave had a bad week…the genius proved to be just an old school Bok skop en donder coach…and now McCallister. Life can be challenging.


The average IQ just went up.

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