The Sharks have two weak links in their team

The two are Andre Esterhuizen and Coenie Oosthuizen - they gave away 10 points on a platter to the Chiefs and that was the end of the game as it was.  That is not the way a team can improve.  Oosthuizen cannot scrum to save his life - Esterhuizen's defense is a joke in bad taste.    

I Luckily I didn't say that, otherwise I would have been rubbished again. Oh wait. I did say that ages ago and I did get rubbished. I know someone else who has also been saying that for ages. He was also rubbished for saying it. 

 I have been very critical of Coenie and Esterhuizen for quite a long time now and wonder who could possibly be the member who so cruelly rubbished the poor idiot.    

 Nope. You have it wrong. You should change that from "cruelly rubbished" to "foolishly rubbished".

Not the song the buxom Tokkie was singing before the Stormers game, when he was obviously deeply committed to Esterhozen....I quote the buxom one:

The Sharks has Esterhuizen at 12 against De Jongh who will be run over by Esterhuizen opening space for Jordaan - who has been very good in the past two matches - I also think that Le Roux would have a major impact.  The loosies of the Sharks will also be better than the Stormers ones.   The Sharks will struggle against the Tight 5 of the Stormers - but is that going to be enough?  I think not.  

Ag Balls Mozart - please keep to the truth for a change.  I was never "deeply committed" to any player.  and definitely not Esterhuizen.
I base assessments of players on performance - not on the basis of prejudice, which I leave entirely to you.    That quote dealt with a game in advance and has nothing to do with the defense of Esterhuizen.  The quote indicates a reasonable assumption - like happened for three years in a row - that De Jongh is a seriously questionable defender.
However, this is nothing personal = it has to do with the performances of two rugby players and the constant personal remarks and misinterpretation of what I wrote is a total disregard of facts and also a means to turn the discussion ito a personal issue - as per normal with you        

 

 The quote speaks for itself you were gushing about Esterhozen.

 More.....Swiel and Esterhozen  are the most promising players Tokkie has seen in years...bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahaha....moron.
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March 20, 2014, 08:09:41

The Sharks team for the game against the Bulls is as follows:-

15   SP Marais,  14  JP Pietersen,  13  S’Bara Sithole,  12   Francois Steyn,  11  Lwazi Mvovo,  10 Patrick Lambie,  9   Cobus  Reinach,  8   Ryan Kankowski,  7  Willem Alberts,  6  Marcell Coetzee,  5  Stephen Lewies,  4  Anton Bresler,  3  Jannie du Plessis,   2  Bismarck du Plessis (c),  1 Tendai Mtawarire

Replacements :

16   Kyle  Cooper,  17  Dale Chadwick,  18   Lourens Adriaanse,  19  Etienne  Oosthuizen,  20  Tera Mthembu,  21  Charl McLeod,   22 Timo  Swiel,  23 Andre Esterhuizen.

I highlighted two youngsters in particular.   Both are of the most promising players I have seen for years in SA.  I think Lambie and in particular Francois Steyn must hope that those two do not get enough playing time - or their own positions could be in jeopardy.    

 Saying that he will run over De Jongh is not gushing - every other opposing center has done that in the past during the past three years .   It is merely stating facts.    

 Oh sure Tokkie....how about saying he is the most promising player you have seen in years. Stay down Mong.

 Mozart
Are you turning nuts?  I said that Esterhuizen is not up to standard and you came along with a distortion about what I wrote about him in the process lying about the whole issue.
I have never endorsed any player - I want to see performance before I endorse them.
You know why I do think Esterhuizen is not really up to standard?  It is because he is a copy of the atrocious Fat Fransie - whose defensive record since 2013 was anytime as bad as Esterhuizen's.    
     

 You obviously haven't even understood what you yourself wrote.....lets hone in on the pertinent bit..
'16   Kyle  Cooper,  17  Dale Chadwick,  18   Lourens Adriaanse,  19  Etienne  Oosthuizen,  20  Tera Mthembu,  21  Charl McLeod,   22 Timo  Swiel,  23 Andre Esterhuizen.

I highlighted two youngsters in particular.   Both are of the most promising players I have seen for years in SA.  I think Lambie and in particular Francois Steyn must hope that those two do not get enough playing time - or their own positions could be in jeopardy.'

So you highlighted two youngsters....as you can see from the dark black names that included Esterhozen. You then say both....i.e. Including Esterhozen....are the most promising players you have seen in years in SA.

What higher praise could you possibly have heaped on this Fattie, you are now pretending you never supported.

Stop lying you old fake.

 About Esterhuizen
As a matter fact Moz and I picked him out as a carthorse in the U21's WC, it was your mate Dave who said he was a class act and still believes he is but I wouldn't finger him for the Shark's loss. The overrated Willie Le Roux is the far bigger culprit if you're going to play the blame game. His out of hand kicking is dreadful and so is his option taking. Once again we see our best efforts in scoring tries coming from a rolling maul, I'm not saying ban the rolling maul but it sure indicates a team lacking the ability to open a defence with ball in hand. Apart from one moment of brilliance from flyhalf Garth April the Shark's backline was plain damn ordinary making a bit of good work from veteran JP stick out. The one thing I cannot understand about SAFFA teams is how they follow a dumb kicking "plan" which inevitably leads to failure, then when they're chasing the game on the scoreboard they start playing rugby, quite often leaving their belated effort for the last twenty minutes of the game. The mind boggles!

 Well he lost the game against England, totally missing his opposite number. Some claimed he was injured, but of course that was bs. It was first time I saw how immobile he is laterally on defence....he looks more like a big loose forward out there.

 Well you know they've tried him as a Loosie......what's the next shift?...Prop perhaps? Willie Le Roux is the big concern though, as the incumbent Bok fullback he must be the worst we've had as a ki cker.

Den I agree Willie didn't kick well today and his form has dipped.  He is a player that needs inspiration and I don't think he gets much from the players around him, particularly at the Sharks. To me he looks like a player who needs a month off before the tests, he looks stale already. But at his best he remains the Bok player most likely to unlock international defenses.

 Moz, he's had a long spell at being ordinary dating back to roughly the WC.....I can't think of a single performance where he's been near the player that excited us all and promised so much. His kicking remains pap....not good for a Bok fullback.

 There is a huge difference between players are promising and they are actually making the grade.   But then you know nothing about rugby and won't recognize the difference about seeing potential in players and them actually making the grade in performance.
However, with you it is impossible to talk about performance of rugby players - with you performance means nothing and reputation everything.  That is hy you have costantly supported  Meyer in his selection of failed donkeys.   
 

Wow typical rugby ignorance from Mike you really do know very little about this game. Firstly using Moz s excuse to justify de Jongh s miss a few weeks ago that miss by Esterhuizen was down to mis communication and not being aligned to make the tackle.
If his defence is so poor then how come for the next 79min his defence was fantastic huh?
When last did you see a Chiefs side tied up like that....thanks to a brilliant Sharks defensive effort were Esterhuizen was a massive part. Wake up old man.
The Sharks outscored the Chiefs 3 tries to 2 away from home....yet again confirming the vastly improved performances of the SA sides this year. This despite the Sharks missing many key players.
As for Coenie so one penalty defines his scrumming does it...much like the crap I read when he was subbed before half time when the Sharks scrum as a unit was getting it's arse kicked. ...why was that...well it does not take an expert to conclude that any scrum is going to struggle with string bean Andrews at lock. On came average Adriaanse to replace Coenie in that game and bang he gets penalised in his second scrum just like Coenie did and we have idiots telling us Adriaanse saved the Sharks scrum. Yeah right.
Mike you know fuck all about this game. Esterhuizen has had a good comp...brings plenty of physicality to the game. The Kiwi commentators thought he was fantastic