The Sharks team Round 3

The team is listed under the Team selection thread.   However, I think there is one change of importance made and one change that should have been made to that team, namely -

*   congratulations to Andre Esterhuizen in his selection as inside center; and

*   I would have started with Thomas du Toit at 1 instead of Dale Chadwick.

The team still needs a real 13 and Jordaan's return is likely only in early April.   It is unfortunate that they persist with Murray in the critical no 13 position - he is bad news.  

Well given Jordaan has had a season or 3 to prove himself and done practically stuff all other than been exposed for being physically not up to the role, hardly surprising given he is just another de Jongh.......Fisher cant have proved himself as he is not being selected by the idiots at the Sharks.

He has more than proved himself for the Sharks U21 side and Jake White saw the value in the kid along with Esterhuizen.

Jordaan will NEVER make it for the simple reason that he is not big enough for a centre. He is a good player that should be playing wing   

Mike I know you know very little about the game.....but kindly point out exactly what Jordaan has done that is better than JJ.

Its not so much the fact that he missed a tackle or two, it was the manner in which Fruen ran straight over him. He just smashed him out of the way as if he was not there.......you just cant have that happening to your outside centre.....it happened because he is a little guy.

Get this into your thick skull, if de Jongh is not good enough in your eyes as a 13 what the hell makes Jordaan capable given they are both little pretenders?

Jerome...you are spot on Fisher is a gem of a player.......has twice the raw material to play 13 than little Jordaan or has been Murray have.

The Sharks are fools for overlooking him but I understand that given he missed most of last season, they want to ease him back through Vodacom Cup rugby.

Bullshit provide the evidence to back up all your previous bull shit.

JJ is twice the 13 wee Jordaan will ever be  

If a guy scores a great solo try then yes that's great, it tells me skill was involved.....but if a guy receives a pass and falls over the line to score, that tells me nothing but looks good in the guys try scoring table.

Stats only tell me 20% of the story.......I judge players based on what I see and one thing I will NEVER change my mind about is Jordaan as a 13.

Modern rugby requires physical centres.....Jordaan is not even close......he will never make it as a centre, for he does not have the physical make up to play centre...much like de Jongh does not.......they are no different.  

Mike you don't even bloody know what game reading is, let alone ball sense......Jordaan has good pace and a good step on him.....it ends there.

You clowns keep banging on about JJ being a wing but are too stupid to comprehend the fact that its been years since he played wing and there is a reason he plays 13 and keeps playing 13.

Here is a challenge for your rugby ignorance.....name a better display at 13 with ball in hand by a Bok than JJ's against NZ  

Shezza you are about as clued up as DomMike is.....that about says it all.

So now according to DomMike, JJ does not have a step on him and you want me to debate rugby with you? Seriously?

So DomMike, kindly with your rugby wisdom, enlighten us on how you conclude that JJ still plays like a wing....what about his play at centre has to reaching this informed conclusion that he is still playing like a wing and kindly point out what the likes of de Jongh, Murray, Frans Venter or Mapoe are doing that is different or leading you to believe that they are playing differently to JJ

Take your time old man, this should be a laugh a minute

Really chaps this is like arguing whether Bafana or Zumbabwe are the worst football team. Relative merit is meaningless in the context of two utterly useless centres.

Jordaan lost S15/2014......JJ lost RC/2013.

How the hell do you choose between that?

I am going to remain open minded on Esterhuizen though. Steppie has been so utterly invisible so far....and last week raised serious questions about de Allende's defence. So we can't afford to ignore even such a flawed player. Has his speed improved at all?

Oh boy Moz will be telling us that de Jongh and Adi Jacobs are good centres.

What was wrong with de Allende's defence last week, just out of curiosity?  

Well just a few facts for you chaps. De Allende made one of four tackle attempts last Saturday. The previous week he made 6 of 7 but that scarcely counts as he was up against the dud Bools' pair of centres. He had about an 80% ratio last year. He is not one of the better defenders. Frankly I was hoping he had improved, the numbers last week say no.

As for Jordaan losing the match, Mike attempts to make it sound like it was just another Saders try. It wasnt. The game was even up to that point....the scores were close to even. Read swatting off Jordaan changed the whole complexion of the game.

As for JJ's horrible performance against NZ that got him dropped, enough has been said. It wasn't Morne that overran the try scoring chance, isolated himself at the half, missed Savea up the wing just before another try and hit Barrett dead on only to be swatted for a try. That was JJ.

None of your favourites Step, JJ or Jordaan are even close to being WC winning centres.

So I ask again, any hope that Esterhuizen has improved the speed off the mark that led him to flanker duties?

13 min - A real shame for the Sharks as they decide to run the ball from their own touchline and carry the ball about 70-odd meters before losing the ball. It was beautiful flowing rugby that ended prematurely when it squirted out in the final tackle and resulted in a turnover.