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The Springboks Dominated Rugby World Cup 2023 - Top 10 South African Moments

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Mar 2024, 05:56
#1
07 Mar 2024, 05:56#1

Ou Mozzzie will be surprised to find out there were other contributions to the Bok RWC other than Pollard.

The loony Allende bashers need to note the powerful performance of Allende against Ireland. 

Note the speed of old Deon Fourie oaks. what a wasted talent this was! 





MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Mar 2024, 14:29
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07 Mar 2024, 14:29#2
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D AllendeC21020….
So the great contribution versus Ireland. He made ten tackles at 80%. One would expect somewhere in the mid to high eighties.
He gained 18 metres in 5 runs….decent, especially as he beat 4 tackles. Unfortunately he lost the ball twice. At 20 metres for each turnover that means his ball carrying netted a negative 22 metres.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Mar 2024, 14:41
#3
07 Mar 2024, 14:41#3

Nice to see those kicks of Pollard again though….World Cup winners.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Mar 2024, 18:47
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07 Mar 2024, 18:47#4
I had forgotten how physically impressive DA was against Ireland He knocked the shit out of Ringrose The man is a beast
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Mar 2024, 19:34
#5
07 Mar 2024, 19:34#5

‘South Africa on the verge of scoring’….but of course they didn’t because Dud was focused on bashing rather than finding support. 

He does the hip check and the lowered shoulder well….probably should have been a ball carrying flanker.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Mar 2024, 20:22
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07 Mar 2024, 20:22#6
The most physical inside centre in the game with an amazing skill set but plays to his strengths which is his freakish strength as demonstrated on a few occasions in the Irish game. He makes metres in traffic - that is a huge asset in the modern game The game has changed so much - defences are scientifically applied, there is virtually no space for an inside centre to breathe let alone attack space With that comes a new type of player at 12 - big physical guys - de Allende, Esterhuizen, JVR, Tuilagi, Ollie Lawrence, Aki, Tuipoloutu, Danty, Kerevi etc Of these, de Allende is the only one who has consistently held his place in a test side for as long as he has - why is that, because he is the best at his trade Why do coaches change their centres so often - because it’s so hard to make an impression as a centre in modern test rugby If you don’t get DA you don’t get the modern game, you are caught up in what centres did a decade ago
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Mar 2024, 01:51
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08 Mar 2024, 01:51#7

Nobody denies that Dave….but Esterhozen, Kerevi, Tuilagi, Aki all offload off their breaks. Dud dies with the ball time and again…he creates literally nothing. Take the Irish test:

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So Aki runs far more ….his 66 metres dwarfs Dud. But he also passes 6 times to 2, offloads once to zero and makes a clean break. One could argue this was all part of Eluckmiss’ game plan….but  the net is Aki made a far bigger contribution than Dud in Dud’s best game of the WC.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Mar 2024, 11:08
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08 Mar 2024, 11:08#8
No he does not die with the ball he sets up the next phase that’s his job. He does not offload as offloading negates the next phase. Esterhuizen did not offload when playing for the Boks None of the likes of Tuilagi, Kerevi or Aki are renowned for offloading, especially within an English or Irish game plan - Oz would be different Bullshit did Aki make a better contribution in that test - relying on stats is niave. Aki gained that many metres in literally one break - that’s all he did that test. As Beeno’s highlights show - DA was massively destructive in that test DA was good in all his WC outings except the final - created and scored that good try against France was it? DA is a class act - the most consistently selected 12 in the game in the best side in the game coached by the best coach in the game. Rassie knows what he is doing when it comes to DA and I fully get it
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2024, 05:11
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09 Mar 2024, 05:11#9

DdA has done a few stupid things over the years, but he's still a very good player...I don't get the "hate". Yes AA might be better in a few games, but he's no spring chicken either and DdA has loads more XP...

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
09 Mar 2024, 11:19
#10
09 Mar 2024, 11:19#10
Offloading is exactly what he should do more….setting up the next phase his way, is forming a Ruck….To much Rucks Slows the game down and takes away the Flow of the game + plus it spoils the element of surprise…our Gameplan is to predictable and relies to much on pure Physicality “ Stampkar “ which allowed all the other top Teams to be to close for Comfort….Ergo Brown,s appointment to pep things up…. especially with John Deere in the 12 channel : )
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Mar 2024, 12:42
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09 Mar 2024, 12:42#11

Perhaps mozzz didn't notice Allende's passing ability in the clips I have posted.

So much simply passes ou mozzietard by these days. In the end he simply has no clue whatsoever. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2024, 15:04
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09 Mar 2024, 15:04#12

Those passes would have been totally expected of an Under 15 center. Dud actually had one year, 2014 perhaps, where he tried to emulate SBW and offloaded. It was exactly what he should have continued to develop. But he was clearly coached away from that.

Then some genius tried to teach him to tactical kick and a number of tries were lost as a result.

Mostly though, Dud is just a very slow thinker, so if something unexpected happens…like he encounters Mo’unga in space he freezes,

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2024, 15:34
#13
09 Mar 2024, 15:34#13

...at some stage you had a similar campaign against Jaques Foury...one of the greatest 13s since re-admission...do you always need to campaign against some Bok stalwart?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2024, 16:20
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09 Mar 2024, 16:20#14
So here’s a question for you Draad. Do you agree with Dave that Dud had no culpability for Barrett’s try that took us out of WC 2015. Or do you agree with me that he was hopelessly out of position and slow to react. I read your comment that he was involved in the prior ruck, but there was a phase in between….proven by his position actually outside Nonu….what he didn’t do was come up with the defensive line.
Time to get off the draad.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2024, 16:31
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09 Mar 2024, 16:31#15

He could have reacted faster...I would like to see a proper analysis of the play leading up to that try, but he's done some stupid things in the past and will do again...for me Matfields lineout blunder in that match stood out as a bigger blunder...rugby is full of these little moments that defines outcomes and results, but in the end its a 15 man +8 team played over 80 plus minutes...unfair to pin a narrow loss to the eventual champions on one single player or passage of play.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2024, 16:39
#16
09 Mar 2024, 16:39#16

Let me narrow down the question…was he culpable for the try. Disregard whether that took us out the WC.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Mar 2024, 17:28
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09 Mar 2024, 17:28#17

yes...on him and JP...both culpable...more so the wing.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2024, 18:14
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09 Mar 2024, 18:14#18
Perhaps JP could have juggled the options better, but he was effectively in a 2 on 1 with Dud struggling to catch up. I’d reverse that and say Dud was mostly culpable but JP could have positioned himself better.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Mar 2024, 06:13
#19
10 Mar 2024, 06:13#19

...DdA took too long to make the tackle causing JP to doubt which attacker he must defend...

if Taipan was here, he would have put all the blame on Schalk being ripped...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Mar 2024, 14:22
#20
10 Mar 2024, 14:22#20

Agreed

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Mar 2024, 23:47
#21
10 Mar 2024, 23:47#21
JP is more culpable than DA evidenced by DA tackling Nonu - there was no need for JP to come in - DA had it covered Most culpable was Schalk, followed by JP then DA
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2024, 00:04
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11 Mar 2024, 00:04#22

Made the tackle because Nonu slowed up to make the SF winning pass. No guarantee he would have made it if Nonu fully kept on the burners and drove for the line.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Mar 2024, 13:02
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11 Mar 2024, 13:02#23
No if’s and but’s you don’t need to slow down to make a pass. DA tackled his man, JP had Barrett covered but he fucked up by stepping in leaving Barret open to score the try. It’s plain to see. One man makes his tackle the other leaves his man free to run in and score Directing more culpability at the guy who makes his tackle over the one that does not is a joke
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2024, 13:31
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11 Mar 2024, 13:31#24

One man makes his tackle after allowing his opponent to run 25 meters unchallenged to within 5 meters of the Bok line….of course JP had to deal with the possibility that Dud never makes that tackle. Failing JP coming in Nonu was angling for the corner with at least a 50% chance of making it. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Mar 2024, 15:06
#25
11 Mar 2024, 15:06#25
25m give me a break. DA did what any defender would do when an attacker does an in out, you check your alignment for a second. DA checked then hit his man, JP fucked up by not trusting DA to get his man JP fucked up, Schalk fucked up, DA never fucked up
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2024, 17:06
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11 Mar 2024, 17:06#26

He just let his man run for 25 meters because he was hopelessly out of position, but he never fucked up….got it. Careful Dave or you might become the rugby version of Clevermike.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Mar 2024, 17:20
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11 Mar 2024, 17:20#27
Nope that is not what happened it’s there to see for everyone’s eyes - there was no 25m involved just an in out by an attacker, a defender who checks at the point of the in out then gets his man. The real issue is JP cutting in leaving Barrett free and open to score the try. That my friend is the only reason that try was scored. Had JP held his line - no try was scored - that is a fact
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Mar 2024, 17:55
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11 Mar 2024, 17:55#28

So Nonu gets the ball 25 meters from touch and 15 meters from the goal line. We know because the lines are clear. He is brought down 6 meters from touch and 4 meters from the goal.

So his progress is 11 meters forward and 19 meters across. So it’s simple Pythagoras…..the square root of  19 squared plus 11 squared. Which is the root of 482…or 22 meters.

Imagine letting your opponent run 22 meters inside your 22…could be a record,

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Mar 2024, 20:49
#29
11 Mar 2024, 20:49#29
He never ran 25m but who gives a shit about how many metres he ran - he got tackled and the player he past to scored a try because the defender marking him cut inside leaving him free to score What part of this do you not comprehend? Say Nonu ran 50m it makes stuff all difference if he is tackled 6m from the line. Let’s take JP and Barrett out of the equation. Nonu runs x metres and gets tackled 6m from the line. No try - case closed So how was the try scored? Add Barrett and JP to the equation with JP marking Barrett - Barrett scores - who is at fault?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Mar 2024, 21:19
#30
11 Mar 2024, 21:19#30
I’ve just checked the footage again at best Nonu runs about 10m in total
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
11 Mar 2024, 23:06
#31
11 Mar 2024, 23:06#31

Saffex, you must be watching a different game to the rest of us!

Blaming JP for DDA’s indecision is pure horse shit. He left JP to have to move in to cover Nonu and this is clear for all to see.

Your one-eyed view on things is legendary, especially your attempts to belittle the ABs’ performance in the RWC Final with 14 men by telling us because Fourie was on the park, this made things even!!

I note you are the SOLE Bok supporter on this site with this bizarre theory……

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2024, 00:32
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12 Mar 2024, 00:32#32

Nope if he ran dead straight to the 4 meter line it was 11 meters….on the angle it was 22 meters. If trig isn’t your thing try this.

Studies of men sprinting show they cover 1.14 times  their height in a stride. Nonu made 13 strides before being brought down at more than 2 yards per stride gives north of 26 meters. But he chopped a few strides to stand up the Dud, hence the 22 meters that would have satisfied Pythagoras,

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Mar 2024, 14:57
#33
12 Mar 2024, 14:57#33
Moola... Since you're here. Tell us your thoughts on DDA. Most here have all but given up on him ever living up to 5% of the hype.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Mar 2024, 17:37
#34
12 Mar 2024, 17:37#34
Moola you dumb fuck if you think JP was not to blame for not trusting DA to make his tackle which he did. As for the WC final let me explain things to you as you are obviously too fucking stupid to understand the obvious So NZ lose a forward thanks to a red card. Under normal circumstances the Boks given the recognised strength of their pack should have driven home that numerical advantage in the set pieces. So chances are that the Boks would have been awarded far more scrum penalties than they did and it’s obvious our line outs would have operated a whole lot better. Now normal circumstances entails having a specialist hooker in the side - something we did not have. If you can’t see the impact this had then you are too fucking stupid to waste any more of my time on
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Mar 2024, 17:39
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12 Mar 2024, 17:39#35
Moz there is no fucking ways Nonu ran anything close to 25m - at the most he might have covered half of that and that’s a fact I don’t need any calculations to determine that - the naked eye tells it all Your tale is a load of bollocks
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Mar 2024, 21:11
#36
12 Mar 2024, 21:11#36

There is no way a player takes 13 strides at speed and doesn’t make 20 meters. 

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
13 Mar 2024, 08:44
#37
13 Mar 2024, 08:44#37

"There is no way a player takes 13 strides at speed and doesn’t make 20 meters."

I haven't seen the footage, but if this is the case I 100% agree

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
13 Mar 2024, 08:45
#38
13 Mar 2024, 08:45#38

"Most here have all but given up on him ever living up to 5% of the hype"

Why so generous Plum... WTF ...5%

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
13 Mar 2024, 08:46
#39
13 Mar 2024, 08:46#39

"Saffex, you must be watching a different game to the rest of us"

Moola, to be fair .... this is usually the case.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Mar 2024, 14:04
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13 Mar 2024, 14:04#40

Top Bok moment in the WC…..Pollards 60 m kick against France. Second top moment….Pollards 50m kick against England.

Daly, supposedly a long kick specialist showed again last Saturday how difficult it is to land these things….when you really have to, to win a match,

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