The Springboks Dominated Rugby World Cup 2023 - Top 10 South African Moments

"DA fuck off you pathetic whimp"

I've been called worse things, by better men

Wasn't it raining en windwatwaai, when Pollard landed the match-winners .................. although, I did see Mostert offer him some words of wisdom just before the kicks.

"DA you’ve been called worse things by better men? - you know nothing about me you pathetic ignorant prick"

I know enough about you to know that there are far better men on this forum alone....

I’m guessing Fourie is way more likely to score from a maul than most hookers….this argument clearly holds no water. As for the rain preventing us spreading it wide, you have to be taking the piss Dave?

No tries when up by a man for 40 minutes….not an inspiring way to win a WC. The match officials robbed us of  rugby glory.

My rebuttal

Firstly the choice of Fourie as back up hooker was totally down to Eluckmiss. And he obviously had a lot of confidence in him because Bongi was showing signs of wear. Fourie is  terrific at getting over the line from close range no hooker is better.

Secondly Fourie not hitting his jumpers is a fair point. But none of those failures occurred after a penalty to the corner. So it was a potential, but not realized issue.

Thirdly the scrum issue….Fourie probably weakened the scrum, but not as much as NZ pushing with 7 men for 40 minutes.

Fourthly rain had far more effect on NZ who were trying to move the ball, vs the Boks who were only interested in box kicks

Fifthly having a non specialist hooker on the field was a choice by the genius.  And clearly better than being a man down for half the game…a net half.

My own assessment is we could have won this game without the cards. But we will never know, which is a shame and a disservice to rugby. The Kolisi tackle was far more dangerous and he had more time to adjust than Cane. 

If you follow the rules on mitigation you could make the argument the officials did…,but those rules are a nonsense. The more dangerous tackle got a yellow and the lesser one, a red.

And with that the RWC was ruined,

DA I bet if you met me in person you would change your mind 

To be completely honest Dave.....

I would probably increase the percentage of better men on this forum..

Perfectly said Fourie’s all round value exceeded his liabilities….so he can’t be used as an excuse. Ergo NZ played against the best Bok 15 with a net  14 men for half the game.

We would have won by 15 points if we had a proper hooker sub, but Rassie brilliantly gambled on Fourie and we won by 1. And that’s genius. You must be taking the piss?

So Dave buckle up, this is going to be rough, WC tries against proper opponents:

Scotland…Dud Toit and Arendse

Ireland …Kolbe

France….Allende, Kolbe, Arendse, Etzebeth

England….Snyman

New Zealand….Nada

So kindly point out to me any tries scored by hookers or from lineouts near the opponents line. I hasten to point out a proper hooker, Bongi, was in place for all but the NZ game.

If you prefer you can just remain silent, I promise to be kind. But we scored zero of the tries we supposedly couldn’t score because Fourie isn’t a regular hooker in any significant WC game.

Hilarious, man buckle up Dave. So the lineout is 15 meters out and Snyman wins it….the balls comes back to who…..wait for it….Deon Fourie. Fourie screams off the ruck, makes 15 meters and is almost over. The Frog defense coalesces around Fourie. The ball comes back to Snyman who trots over almost unopposed.

Who created the try, why the very man who supposedly negated our attack off the close in lineout in the AB match.

Even Wanker would be embarrassed by this oversight. Game, set and match!!!!

Fourie takes the ball from the jumper Snyman at the back of the maul, playing the hooker role and then seeing the opportunity makes 15 meters. He sets up the crucial try from a typical hooker situation.

And by the way, against France it was Fourie’s contesting of the ball that led to Pollard’s match winning penalty.

7, 8, 9, 10….and he’s out.

Dave congrats on your persistence in trying to school a biased confused nutter like mozz. 

Its a hopeless task as the guy doesn't understand the game. Proof is his absurd takes on Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. Allende is a class act recognised by the rugby fraternity as such. Ditto the world class Du Toit. Mozzie is such a clown he was trashing Du Toit when Steph was named world rugby player of the year! He has trashed Rassie for a decade or so yet Rassie has now won consecutive world cups.

This combination of these two blunders are unmatched by anybody. Name me anybody who made bigger blunders of judgement than this. It cant be done The oak is a joke that keeps giving! End of story.

Anybody supporting Mozzietard's absurd drivel is equally a clown. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

So the Duds and Eluckmiss. Thanks for the opportunity to discuss these flawed Bok team participants.

Dud Allende is hardly worth discussing. We have covered his flaws so many times. Took the Boks out of WC15 by allowing Nonu to run free in our 22. In WC 23 behind the most dominant pack innWC history, he manages zero try assists in matches against top 10 opponents. And again allows Mo’unga to set up a disallowed try.

Imagine what JdV would have done with all that good ball. A process player, who rarely sees the opportunity, He has effectively killed Bok backline play for 8 years.

Dud Toit, the media darling. He made so many tackles they say. But Mostert tackled at a higher rate per minute and missed none.

Still he tackled well in the 2 WC finals, intimidating Ford and bouncing Barrett. One could argue one good sidestep would have stopped that…but these players were hardly elusive targets.

Is that enough? Of course not. As our designated forward runner off great ball he should have been much more effective. He can’t step, power through tackles or offload. Which means our forward running game is always toothless until Kwagga subs on.

The team also rarely uses him in the lineouts because he is not that reliable…a small lock who can’t jump.

Perhaps his biggest shortcoming is over the ball where is blown away many times a match. In the WC final he was in position to fetch many times…he couldn’t. Each one of those opportunities is worth 25 metres…more if a penalty is given

So a blunt instrument that tackles.

Now for Eluckmiss. A rugby genius? Well firstly he had the luck of playing Australia in complete decline and the poorest NZ team since re-admission. But still couldn’t win a proper RC.

Eluckmiss did return us to what we do best and that was essential. HM never got that. But with our best pack ever so much more was possible. Just having the forwards offload a bit would have made us so much more formidable.

As it turned out we won 2 WCs. The first with a full hearted display in the final, probably because our Wales win was so trashed The second with an incredible series of lucky breaks….the injury to Marx which brought back Pollard, the missed Ramos kick, the incredibly stupid Steward kick, the red card for NZ, the yellow card for Kolisi for a much more calculated foul and the Barrett miss.

So many things out of his control broke for him…but still winning by 1 point against 14 men is hardly glory. And nor was our rugby throughout his tenure, all box kicks and mauls. Some say  this was the surest path to winning, but the 23 WC with its 3 50/50 wins and one 50/50 loss belies this.

For those who only care about winning WCs he has accomplished that mission. For those who love the game, it’s sense of fair play, the beauty of the running game…he falls way short.

This could have been the greatest rugby team of the open era.  

Good response  Dave, if you really have no valid response.

Ou Mozzie wants us to go over and over and over the same rebuttals to his patent nonsense. Why bother the guy thinks his tiny minority view is correct and is immune to the evidence.

Do a poll on what the rugby community thinks of Rassie as a coach and poor mozzietard would be totally humiliated. Only he would double down and say every body has got it wrong! 

I don't see anybody out there having a go at Rassie these days. You would be labelled a loon if you said the things about Rassie that Mozzie does.

Always remember that mozzie never corrected Doos when he went totally anti Bok and anti Erasmus saying they most disgraceful things about the Boks and their coach. Mozzie thinks the same way but has more self control. He woks via smears and deceptions taking care to try and appear reasonable. Unfortunately for him his daft takes on matters and consistent bias give him away. With his big ego completely engaged and havin being humiliated by Rassie winning a SECOND RWC mozzie cant move on and let it go. 

As I said before if Rassie won a third RWC ou Mozzzie would again attempt to devalue the win. Its called Rassie Derangement syndrome - RDS - and mozzie has it real bad.

Again the challenge name me one person who has made a bigger rugby blunder than Mozz and his twin take regarding Rassie and Du Toit. 

Who has ever got it so wrong?????????????????????????????    

Plus who has ever doubled down like mozzie has and compounded the debacle.

The previous biggest rugby debacle in judgment belonged to ou rooitwit. He was busy trashing Schalk Burger when Burger was voted World Rugby Player of the Year. But that was a single mistake. Mozzie made twice the mistake. Then spent years doubling down on his foolishness. 

Nope nobody can beat this Mozzie rugby record. PROVE ME WRONG.

So you now leave Dud Allende out of the ‘blunder’ tacitly accepting I’m right. Progress. Now all you have to accept is Dud Toit is half a player and Eluckmiss is half a coach….at least half of the activities incumbent in their roles aren’t performed at all..,,and you will finally recognize the truth.

A ball carrier that can’t carry and a coach who hasn’t instigated one attacking idea. Give me a break!

No breaks for you mozzie you nonsense has caught up with you and its ALL your own faul t!