SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2020, 01:53#1
If we compared a Bok side that is overseas based with one that is home based the outcome is a true reflection on how much the exodus is hurting
OVERSEAS based Bok side:
15. Willie
14. Kolbe / Combrink
13. Kriel / Janse v Rensburg
12. de Allende / Serfontein / Vorster / Esterhuizen
11. Duhan vd Merwe / Ismiel
10. Pollard / Goosen
9. Faf / Reinach
1. Pierre Schoeman / Kebble / Coenie
2. Marx / Aker
3. Wilco Louw / Marcel vd Merwe / Koch
4. Etzebeth / Jenkins
5. Lood / RG Snyman / Ruan Botha / Ribbans
6. Jaco Kriel / Kwagga / Carr
7. Jacques du Plessis / JL du Preez / Ackerman / Liebenberg / Kirsten
8. Marcel Coetzee / Dan du Preez / Vermeulen
Wilco Louw and Esterhuizen are joining Quins after Super rugby
HOME BASED Bok side:
15. Gelant / Fassi
14. Nkosi / Skosan / Tambwe
13. Am
12. Odendaal / Marius Louw
11. Mapimpi / Senatla / Green / Lleyds
10. Jantjies / Willemse / Bosch
9. Jantjies / Papier / Nohamba
1. Kitshoff / Nqoboka / Nche
2. Mbonambi / Dweba
3. Malherbe / Nyakane / Thomas du Toit / Sadie
4. Moerat / Ruben Schoeman / Walt Steenkamp
5. JD Schickerling / Wiese / Ruben v Heerden
6. Kolisi / James Venter
7. PSDT / Tyler Paul / Tshituka
8. Jaco Coetzee / Notshe
Interesting to note it’s very much a colour thing when it comes to who stays and who goes

sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,237 posts
14 Feb 2020, 02:44#2
I wonder if the historical quota issue and transformation devalue black players overseas. Just being a 1st choice SuperRugby player is good value for an overseas club to buy (especially in the glory days of SuperRugby when it was the best club tournament in the world).
The European club owners are not sure how good black players actually are because in the past they may have not been the 1st choice on merit in a SuperRugby team.
Or it might just be that white people are more just interested in the opportunity of living overseas, possibly forever. The last few months have seen higher interest than ever of white people wanting to leave SA.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2020, 03:01#3
Good point Shark, I think it’s more of a subconscious political thing - whites a drawn to leave, while black players are comfortable staying at home.
There might be a bit of a quota hangover that has foreign clubs resisting the temptation to sign black players from SA but I don’t really think that is the case for there are a handful of black players plying their trade up here or in Japan.
Kolbe, Ismiel, de Jongh, Mapoe, Ashley Johnson, Cassiem and Carr

sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,237 posts
14 Feb 2020, 03:09#4
By black, I was meaning native, rather than say players of colour.
However, in 2020 all SuperRugby teams are currently looking like merit, at least for the players that are still in SA.
Not that colour should have any relevance on selection, but for the overseas club owners, they might still have that stigma of quota.
A black player like Beast would have walked into any club in Europe but he was obviously a first choice player with over 100 tests.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2020, 09:57#5
The only two non merit players of colour I see in Super rugby are locks Orie and Andrews
But there are a good handful of super shit white players involved as well like Morne Steyn, Jannie etc