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The three crucial moments that lost the test

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Oct 2018, 21:32
#81
08 Oct 2018, 21:32#81
Agreed Willemse should only be employed at 10
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:10
#82
08 Oct 2018, 22:10#82
Here is the match report from ESPN:=

81'

32-19 End of second half

80'

Argentina were outstanding tonight. They played with passion, power and a lot of panache as well. They dominated the Boks physically and scored some awesome tries out wide

The Springboks on the other hand were poor. They were second best in all aspects of the game. The have a week off, which they have to use to try and get ready for what is going to be a difficult tour of Australia and New Zealand.

80'

Substitute on - Juan Cruz Mallia , Argentina

80'

Player substituted - Bautista Ezcurra , Argentina

77'

Player substituted - Agustin Creevy , Argentina

77'

Substitute on - Facundo Bosch , Argentina

72'

The Boks need two converted tries to win. That steal on their own line could be a match winner for the home side.

72'

The Boks turn the ball over on the Argentine goalline. The Pumas then break out and go all the way into the South Africans' 22. Play is then stopped after the medics get in the way.

72'

Substitute on - Mbongeni Mbonami , South Africa

72'

Player substituted - Malcolm Marx , South Africa

72'

Player substituted - Tomas Lavanini , Argentina

72'

Substitute on - Matias Alemanno , Argentina

69'

Substitute on - Santiago Medrano , Argentina

69'

Player substituted - Juan Figallo , Argentina

69'

Player substituted - Gonzalo Bertranou , Argentina

69'

Substitute on - Tomas Cubelli , Argentina

65'

Boks working hard for their points, but they finally get their second score of the second half. After the forwards grind it up, the ball comes out to Mapoe who dives in to score his second.

65'

32-19 Try - Lionel Mapoe , South Africa

64'

Substitute on - Santiago Garcia Botta , Argentina

64'

Player substituted - Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro , Argentina

63'

Player substituted - Frans Malherbe , South Africa

63'

Substitute on - Wilco Louw , South Africa

63'

Player substituted - Andre Esterhuizen , South Africa

63'

Substitute on - Damian Willemse , South Africa

63'

Player substituted - Franco Mostert , South Africa

63'

Substitute on - Warren Whiteley , South Africa

 I rather believe ESPN than the serial liars Mo zart and Pakie.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:17
#83
08 Oct 2018, 22:17#83
Hahahaha Tokkie chooses a twist on option 6......innocently of course. The liar's liar.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:18
#84
08 Oct 2018, 22:18#84
Here's a clue, take another look at Pakie's video.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:19
#85
08 Oct 2018, 22:19#85

This is only going to end like the Goosen sub gaff. I have the game right before my eyes. He is right. Why do you make the simple things so difficult? There is something not right here. It happens too often to always be lies. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:20
#86
08 Oct 2018, 22:20#86
Screwed up personality disorder?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:27
#87
08 Oct 2018, 22:27#87

Mozart

Now I havc seen anything.  That video  clip is from the 19 August game where Willemse did not feature at all.   He played in the 26 August away game in Argentina

It took me 2 minutes too see what happened here.   A total  fabrication and lie to add to it.   How low can you lot go?      

Listen I have now and more than enough from lies and deception.

   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:29
#88
08 Oct 2018, 22:29#88
Nope wrong yet again....look at who is passing the ball....look at my match notes for the 19th of August that were copied directly from ESPN
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:31
#89
08 Oct 2018, 22:31#89
I really think you should see a good physician old chap.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Oct 2018, 22:42
#90
08 Oct 2018, 22:42#90
He was referred to me. Nurse Cloudy was reduced to tears, such was the magnitude of the task. There is nothing more any field of biology or medicine c an do. We can only lock arms and pray. May G-d help us all! 
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
08 Oct 2018, 23:03
#91
08 Oct 2018, 23:03#91

That video  clip is from the 19 August game where Willemse did not feature at all.

Yeeesss...the elevator clearly doesn't go to the top floor anymore.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
08 Oct 2018, 23:33
#92
08 Oct 2018, 23:33#92

Click here for Rugby365's match report, 18 August 2018, mentioning the intercept.

The Springboks were going left on a routine passing exercise when suddenly Matías Moroni intercepted Damian Willemse’s long pass and sprinted through uninhabited acres to score at the posts. 27-21.

They must be making it up since apparently Willemse didn't feature in that test. Just how deep does this conspiracy go?

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Oct 2018, 01:13
#93
09 Oct 2018, 01:13#93

It's very easy to see this was not played in Argentina. The stadium is not that of the Stadio Malvinas Argentinas. It was a bright sunny day in Argentina. Dry. South Africa was dark and began to rain in the second half. The camera angle in Argentina was elevated, SuperSport recorded at lower level, closer to pitchside. Here's a screen capture of where the ball was at 66:01 in Mendoza. Compare this to the video Pakie posted. Ende. 


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WardadPro6,663 posts
09 Oct 2018, 01:22
#94
09 Oct 2018, 01:22#94

Bringing on fresh legs after a brutal game at altitude is the done thing no ? Isnt this what any coach in Rassies position would have done especially given the score ?

You credit Rassie with somehow"losing " the game and give too little credit to the ABs for engineering their own comeback.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Oct 2018, 09:36
#95
09 Oct 2018, 09:36#95

Wardad, the entire flow of the game was disru9ted by those substitutions. Credit to New Zealand for staging a comeback, but before Rassie unloaded the bench, the Boks were in complete control of the game. Koch, Willemse, Papier made big mistakes. As we saw already our defence was compromised severely which left us open at the back. It was a mess. Rassie completely stuffed up a win in a way one only saw Peter do. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
09 Oct 2018, 09:43
#96
09 Oct 2018, 09:43#96

Isnt this what any coach in Rassies position would have done especially given the score ?

WD, no one in their right minds, least of all a coach, should consider 12 points a safe margin in the last 10 minutes against the All Blacks.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
09 Oct 2018, 22:59
#97
09 Oct 2018, 22:59#97

Mr Pakie the ABs were staging a comeback from the 60th minute werent they ? Still reckon you chaps are being a bit harsh on Rassie as Marx was the only unforced sub and even a player of his caliber couldnt affect things that m uch ,

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Oct 2018, 23:34
#98
09 Oct 2018, 23:34#98
No Louw was an unforced sub, Kitshoff was an unforced sub, Etzebeth was an unforced sub, Allende was an unforced sub, Marx was an unforced sub and I believe Faf wasn't terminal....he did a flat out sprint up the right touchline the minute beforre being subbed.
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
10 Oct 2018, 03:26
#99
10 Oct 2018, 03:26#99

Looking at the average mins. NZ bench averages 33 mins of game time. Boks 15 mins of game time. That is a massive difference. AB Players came on that replaced the player coming off. Ardie came on around end of 1st half after Canes injury. Ritchie on for Waisake. Tungafasi for Franks. TJ was massive for Aaron. I just these players all contributed. I Felt the Boks replacements added nothing. It was weird. How Boks seemed to submit. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2018, 03:50
#100
10 Oct 2018, 03:50#100
The Bok bench was hopelessly inexperienced.....after the second last AB try the mission should have been to play down the clock....but we had youngsters trying to make their mark. It was a massive coaching failure, which the Bok press didn't have the integrity to call. But make no mistake, it adds to the AB myth and will make the Boks more jittery in future close games....a sad and costly balls up.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Oct 2018, 05:41
#101
10 Oct 2018, 05:41#101

Moz maybe Rassie thought that 3 tries up and 15 to go meant he could give his subs some quality time in a pressure situation that  they should still have handled OK .

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Oct 2018, 09:47
#102
10 Oct 2018, 09:47#102

Pakie, can you please create a video showing play after the final penalty that led to Mo'unga's effing lucky touchfinder ........ be good to gauge how much time we had to prevent that ball slowly rolling over the chalk.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Oct 2018, 10:17
#103
10 Oct 2018, 10:17#103

Sure Blob. Looks like about 10 seconds between the penalty being awarded and the kick taking place. Pollard is the only player who gets somewhat back. We had nobody at the back before that. Note also the terrible work Snyman and Kolisi do at that ruck. Both flop down while Ardie is grabbing the ball right under their noses.



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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Oct 2018, 11:11
#104
10 Oct 2018, 11:11#104

That was poor camera work not showing the kick from hand to touch.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Oct 2018, 11:32
#105
10 Oct 2018, 11:32#105

Thanks Pakie ......  ffs. we were never ever close to stopping that ball.

You're right about the slapgat duo .

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Oct 2018, 13:41
#106
10 Oct 2018, 13:41#106

Boldness often wins the day. He saw an opportunity and took it.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Oct 2018, 14:32
#107
10 Oct 2018, 14:32#107

I've had it for years but have never gotten round to watching it. Now I'm curious

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2018, 14:40
#108
10 Oct 2018, 14:40#108
So here's my analysis of that video....which corresponds to my earlier comments...you can stop at all these points to check my facts: .08 Koch has received the ball, it's Koch supported by Stephanie vs 2 ABs. Stephanie falls and drags Koch down. You can literally see his arm pulling down Koch's jersey. He isn't, therefore, in position. To help protect the ball. Kolisi and Snyman who played as if it was a Bools romp, do a pathetic job of rucking over the ball. .15 we see our fullback Willemse two steps behind the ruck as the penalty is called. .19 four seconds later he starts to turn to jog back. .31 sixteen seconds after the penalty was called we see the ball bouncing. .34 it goes into touch. My points are the following: 1Stephanie was actually more culpable that Snyman/Kolisi 2 Willemse should never have been where he was and showed no urgency to get back. 3 He had 15 seconds to get back into position before the ball bounced had he taken off....but clearly defence at the back was never on his mind.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Oct 2018, 14:57
#109
10 Oct 2018, 14:57#109

I think S Barrett coming round on Steph & Koch had more to do with Koch going down to be honest, but it was such a weak play all round, from the carry to the support to the lazy flopping down at the ruck. Don't know what Snyman thought he was doing by just collapsing on top of Kolisi.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Oct 2018, 15:08
#110
10 Oct 2018, 15:08#110

Yes ma'am. Sleep tight.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2018, 15:29
#111
10 Oct 2018, 15:29#111
Don't disagree Pakie, but it would have helped if du Toit kept his feet and helped protecting the ball vs falling down in front of the ball carrier and pulling on his jersey.
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