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The worst SA Rugby Performance after the Japan Disaster in 2015

Started by clevermike14 REPLIES385 VIEWS· 15 May 2016, 09:31
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 May 2016, 09:31
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15 May 2016, 09:31#1
Although the Japan test in 2015 can be regarded as he worst disaster eer by a SA Rugby team - the performance by the Bulls and Stormers yesterday came very close to that level of sheer and rank incompetence.    The problems are neatly summarized  in the folloing report by News24:-  
"Perhaps we should shelve for the moment any thoughts of the Vodacom Super Rugby derby between the Bulls and Stormers next Saturday being billed a battle for “supremacy”.

That just doesn’t seem the most apt expression after this weekend’s separate matches featuring those protagonists -- instead the Loftus clash now shapes up as more of a redemption drive, in each instance.


The north-south showdown remains nominally a top-of-table affair, given that the Stormers head Africa Conference 1 and the Bulls lie second in it, but on the evidence of their last two matches each, that makes them sound too deceptively like title-challengers in the competition this year.


Mathematically both remain very much at the races, yes … but from a performance point of view we have only witnessed rather painful corrections downward of late.   Both teams have been more cheap plonk than champagne in this period, with the Stormers badly denting their challenge – and any confidence in their ability to land the elusive silverware for the first time – with a home defeat to the Waratahs a fortnight ago and then woeful, fortuitous follow-up 17-17 draw with the weak Sunwolves in Singapore on Saturday.


Meanwhile the Bulls undid much of the decent work in their first Australian tour match, when they had thrashed the Western Force, with clear-cut defeats to each of the Brumbies (23-6) and now also to the Waratahs themselves (31-8) to earn zero log points from a possible 10.


That quartet of results does desperately little to suggest either Pretoria – where it has previously resided three times -- or Cape Town is going to be a prospective home for the trophy in 2016.   By Saturday night, too, the Lions had roared back from their Hurricanes fiasco with a remarkably polished and composed 43-5 dismantling of the Blues despite grim conditions in Johannesburg to suddenly become the South African team with the most points overall (32) despite being in a different conference to the other two.


More of a howler, really, than the Bulls conceding a full-house win to the ‘Tahs in Sydney was the shocker in Singapore shortly afterwards, where a clumsy, lumbering and outrageously over-confident Stormers outfit had to rely on a muscular surge over the tryline right on the hooter from substitute tighthead prop Vincent Koch just to share the spoils with the Japanese team.


While a draw is always better than a defeat, this remained, by my book, as sickly a Stormers showing as I have witnessed in several seasons.   When they necessarily review this game - I’d subject the full squad to it about half a dozen times in full, I reckon - they will only see a video nasty.


It is one thing to start a game slowly and immediately to exhibit poor body language and a lack of urgency; more disturbing was that the Stormers never really picked up their intensity or remedied their many failings for most of the remainder of the contest.

Blame rookie Kiwi referee Paul Williams or the tropical humidity all you like … the fact remained that Robbie Fleck’s charges could only register two tries against a team even their limited compatriots the Cheetahs had put 92 points on a few weeks ago, and both were of the crude, rumbling kind.


That said so much about the dreadful paucity of skills and X-factor evident from the Stormers, supposedly a side trying to consciously evolve in that very area.

Their collective passing game continues to look well short of even respectable; so many of their offloads seem to be of the pot-luck, bobbling, airy-fairy kind with synergy and cohesion in short supply.


If there were going to be exceptions from the starting line-up to the malaise and rank mediocrity, then perhaps you could only single out the ever-willing and alert Cheslin Kolbe in the backline, and Pieter-Steph du Toit for being head and shoulders the most productive and commanding forward.   As disillusioned former Stormers and Springbok wing favourite Breyton Paulse said in the SuperSport studio afterwards, if the franchise played as poorly as they did in Singapore against a crack New Zealand team in the knockout phase, they would be brushed aside by around 30 points.


To add to their woes, loosehead prop JC Janse van Rensburg limped off prematurely with a knee injury, although next week’s opponents the Bulls may just be struggling in the tighthead department where the man Van Rensburg would directly pack down against at Loftus if selected, Marcel van der Merwe, also left the Sydney pitch clutching his ribs gingerly after a solid personal shift.


The Bulls were reasonable value in the first half against the Waratahs, only trailing 7-3 at the break and botching one glorious try-scoring opportunity after a lethal break by fullback SP Marais, but receded gradually in the second as they struggled for favourable field position.


Still, their spirits will have been lifted later by the unexpected Stormers result, which saw them bank only two log points against the Sunwolves rather than the widely-tipped five - it leaves the Capetonians (31) three points clear of the Bulls (28) after 10 games each.

Win the derby and the Bulls will be right back in the conference hunt, although defeat would tilt momentum very heavy back in favour of the Stormers, who won the first-round meeting 33-9 at Newlands at the start of the season."


So lets evaluate the situation objectively.   The Stormers has by some distance the worst loosie combination in the tournament.   There can be no doubt that the good Schalk Burger - a top loosie of the past - has deteriorated to a farcical level of incompetence.   The other three loosies are even worse - slow and really incompetent.      They have no idea what the terms ball protection and recovery means and they make themselves guilty of real incompetence.


The main problem remains the backline.   Although in the quoted article Kolbe is mentioned positively, he has had very little of real value showing.    As Beeno  stated repeatedly - he is not physical enough as an outside back to be really effective.  However, Beeno is probably right - he would be a very good scrummie.   


For the rest the only positive sign this weekend is that De Allende is slowly getting back into gear.  However, I was disappointed in the performance of Du Plessis at flyhalf.   After showing  some real ability in his initial games he was lethargic and very much part of the problem of inertia displayed  by the Stormers on Saturday.    De Jongh will always be De Jongh - when the chips are down - he vanishes from sight. 


    



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 May 2016, 10:54
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15 May 2016, 10:54#2
 Mike, although yesterday's performance by the Stormers was disappointing and the Bools didn't make the cut either, it's a bit of a stretch equating it to the worst SA performance since the Jap test loss at the RWC. Personally the hiding the Lions got in Joburg from the Canes was worse. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 May 2016, 11:03
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15 May 2016, 11:03#3
Draad
Fact is that the Stormers played the worst team in Super 15 and the Lions one of the stronger teams when they lost against the Hurricanes.  There clearly was a problem in the case of the Lions - namely a seriously defective prop situation as a result of injuries and the playing of one of the worst defending centers in the tournament - Mnisi.   The moment that changed the situation improved immediately - as was proven yesterday..
The Stormers has had no such excuses yesterday.   They collectively - with rare exceptions - blatantly under-performed putting in a disgusting display of lethargic poor rugby.            
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 May 2016, 15:12
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15 May 2016, 15:12#4
 Of course there is no appreciation of circumstances, The Sharks and the Stormers had difficult out and back trips to very foreign destinations. Singapore is an odd place.....humid and strangely low key. I recall staying at the Shangri-La back in the 80s, going out for a lovely Chinese meal, only to find Strauss being played in the hotel lounge by a small Chinese ensemble....odd place.
The Stormers and WP for that matter have never been ruthless playing lesser teams...but so often upset the stronger ones. It's a nice characteristic. As for Michaela's strident attacks on players I respect, who the hell cares what this silly old woman says. It's totally predictable anyway.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 May 2016, 15:23
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15 May 2016, 15:23#5
 Who cares what DOFDOOS say on this site - the bloody idiot is rugby ignorant beyond believe.    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 May 2016, 15:26
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15 May 2016, 15:26#6
 'Beyond believe' ... nobody mangles the language as gruesomely as the old shrew.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 May 2016, 18:21
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15 May 2016, 18:21#7
 I may mangle the language - but not the rugby issues supposed to be discussed on this site,   That - the normal lies and distortions - I leave entirely to you.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 May 2016, 21:23
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15 May 2016, 21:23#8
 Then stop trailing after me hoping I'll throw you a crumb.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 May 2016, 21:54
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15 May 2016, 21:54#9
  "That - the normal lies and distortions - I leave entirely to you. "
clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 22834Is Stade Francais trying to get rid of Morne Steyn 
May 15, 2014, 15:31:02

A report and photo showed him together with the Paris St Germain Rugby Club and he himself posted the photo.   Could be - because he was a serious and very expensive flop for Stade Francais.


As I understand it both Stade Francais and Paris st Germain at one stage  belonged to the same owner - and the article on the issue quoted them as sister clubs.  


However, Paris St Germain is not a Top 14 club and it seems that they are a second level club with no representation in the French international team.  


If this arrangement proceeds I believe it would be a massive comedown for Steyn - a second level club in France and he is he to be considered for the Springbok team?   That would be a disgrace and I hope it does not happen.     


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 May 2016, 22:18
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15 May 2016, 22:18#10
 Ceradunce aka Dofdoos no 2 (Mozart took over the No 1 poition from you)
What the hell has the above drivel of yours got to do with the games on Saturday discussed in the article - stupid dwarf?     
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 May 2016, 22:46
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15 May 2016, 22:46#11
 Nothing really but then again, it would have made sense to you if you bothered to read the part that I quoted at the start of the post and then tried to put the rest into context.
However, I do not really expect that you would really want to see the link between the opening line of the post and the quoted part now, would you?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 May 2016, 10:00
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16 May 2016, 10:00#12
Mike both were poor peformances. The bulle were of course blown out of the game but didn't help their cause by playing below capabilities.
Kolbe is only very occassionally running the ball. His is getting gun shy I believe. Mallet is of course quite correct about trying him at scrummie.
Mike Cerundunce windpomp is stirring he thinks he is a professional stirrer not ralsiing he is the one being stirred.. Bwahahahahhahahahahahaha
I think Dr Moz has to explain the Lions beating the Blues with running rugby, a dominant pack (Although heavily outweighed by the pap Blues). The Sharks hamemring the hapless hurricanes is equally a case in point. 
One thing of note. The Lions pack got to the brakdown in bigger number on a number of occassions and three are better than two etc.Also note the skill levels of the Lions. Becuase of creating space, defence beating passes and great running lines and Mapoe looked world class. 
I have said it for years. Take the NZ backs coach them like our players are coached and they would be as bad. The Lions have been at this for some season s now. It takes time to get there. However our backs played brilliantly at eliis Park out playing the wee abs and because we were robbed of the win we give up on getting abalanced game going.It has been very pleasing to see young Serfontein and Kreil playing well. Allende coming back to form and Mapoe doing so well. Then there are other centers playing well. Esterhuizen. Rohan van Rensburg and we know Vorster Odendall and Venter are good. Our problems are we dont have the brain power to see the obvious. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 May 2016, 10:14
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16 May 2016, 10:14#13
Pfffffffffffffhahahahahahaha!

Tearful Stompie supporters trying hard to pretend their team of weak, limp-wristed little mincers weren't humiliated by the Sunwolves . . . at a neutral venue nogal!

"The travel was so hard . . . sniff . . . the Lions were even worse the week before . . . blubber . . . Singapore is strange . . . boohoohoo . . . our coaches are naughty . . . sniff . . . it was too humid . . . sob . . . it's all so unfair . . . boohoohoo . . ."

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Harden up, you weak-arsed little Stompie snivellers!

Well done Sunwolves!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 May 2016, 10:25
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16 May 2016, 10:25#14
 Can anybody be less patriotic than the turncoat dribbler rooitwitterbug!!!
Most here will heartily support a SA side playing overseas opposition. I support the sharks for example in these cases. Not this fiend rooitwit!Away with rooitwit he is a total disgrace!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 May 2016, 10:41
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16 May 2016, 10:41#15
 Beeno 
Don't be too harsh on Rooinek - he was just referring to Mozart's moaning about what went wrong against the Sunwolves.  
There re a number of problems in the Stormers team.   The major once are -
*   the loosie combination is all wrong; and
*   the midgets in their backline.
Lets deal with the first issue.   The slow loosie concept was practiced in SA for years.  There is no need for ball protection and recovery and when they at last arrive on the scene - the end result is more often than not penalties against them.   They are also because of pace deficiency inadequate in defense.  That is why the Stormers Tight 5 players - and specifically  Du Toit and Malherbe - routinely make more tackles than the loosies.
The second issue is the midget issue.  Kolbe - when he tries to counter-attack is more often then not manhandled by opposing defenders.   De Jongh is always manhandled by opponents as well.   The answer is probably to play Kolbe at scrummie - he is a clever player and will adjust quickly to that position.       

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