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The worst, thankless and impossible job in the world...A Springbok coach

Started by generaltit6 REPLIES300 VIEWS· 15 Dec 2014, 20:48
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GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
15 Dec 2014, 20:48
#1
15 Dec 2014, 20:48#1

I don't understand Heyneke...I think in general terms he's a very sound coach in conservative terms but is a victim of fear of loss and he himself is a bit insecure in his job and wants to play the safe game and brings too many experienced old players into the game because he fears to experiment.

The other problem which I think is the main factor in SARU is that they are very short sighted and want results immediately...no preparation, or planning and build up is done. Too much pressure was put on HM from the start...looking at it now I feel for this man...I think he is good man and in a wider sense a good coach but he has a thankless task...nobody really wants to coach the Boks...SARU's conditions expect miracles overnight...Nick does'nt want the job, I don't think Jake wanted it anyway, not after his treatment after WC 2007. A foreign coach of note wouldn't want it simply because he'd be under the whip immediately and paid in SA terms is not attractive.

Way back in 1995 Kitch Christie was a good coach but he was lucky to inherit Ian Mac's ground work. Heyneke should have been given a long term mandate...a few losses here and there but long term preparation, or simply he is the wrong man...I believe NZ rugby is strong because they have structured planning, coaching with a long term vision but they experiment and their coaches are less selfish and take pride in their players...their players know and trust this...their whole structures are very well prepared and economically NZ'ers are not as motivated to seek financial rewards overseas at an early age as Saffas are... look into the past and see that players like Zin Zan Brooke and others that only went overseas when they knew they have reached their pinacle.

In Sa players go overseas generally, even when they are reasonably young because firstly they are ignored by selectors like Kockott or they seek better remuneration elsewhere in France, Japan and UK because our Rand is useless...it's good enough here but does sweet fanny adams anywhere else. It causes insecurity and certainly rugby players are no different to anybody else...they want security for their families and themselves.

That's the unfortunate truth.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Dec 2014, 22:18
#2
15 Dec 2014, 22:18#2
 The NZ coaching gig is only less stressful because the AB's are performing well the last couple of years. A few losses in close order will have the Kiwis rioting in the streets, demanding blood. Ask Mitchell. 
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
15 Dec 2014, 23:38
#3
15 Dec 2014, 23:38#3
 well there's so many dimensions to SA coach question...but the problem really lies in a system and not the individual...that's why Naas never wanted this thankless job...it's strange that one of the best potential sides ever cannot find a solution...it's definitely not the players and /or the coach but the system...we grasp at straws and stain at mosquitos but find the elephants by-passing our nets. Not only rugby but everywhere here in this so-called liberated Rainbow Nation...a real joke but serious...very sad...
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Dec 2014, 23:55
#4
15 Dec 2014, 23:55#4
 We need a leader with backbone. Hoskins, gentleman that he is, is also a puppet. The late Louis Luyt was the last man to adequately fill Doc's shoes.The money tail is wagging the poor dog to death.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
16 Dec 2014, 00:24
#5
16 Dec 2014, 00:24#5
Didn't like LL...dogmatic and blunt to a fault...not a deep thinker but effective in this dumb and easy intimidated society...he was clever in a sly and manipulating manner and thick at the same time...very vulgar and uncouth...he came from nothing...new money ...there's nothing wrong with that but abusing and throwing it at other people are tactics of a mongol...class-less and ugly.

he got results through bullying...no tact at all...a mindset that is totally void of any fine-ness , culture, manners or decency.

Had a friend who was airline pilot that did Ozzie run...Luyt and Springboks boarded the plane...introductions were done, Luyt rudely squatted in his seat and never rose to the handshake intro...every other springbok did...a beast without any culture whatever...if I was a young player in the team I couldn't respect a man like this.

I apologise to any body that knew him better as a man, relation  or friend on this read...I did not know personally but I know Kevin, the airline pilot fairly well and he has integrity...Kevin as I know him would never make this up...it's not in his nature...if he said this it's true...LL was not my cup of tea...I cannot tolerate people like him...I know big tough guys (like Frik Du Preez that once worked for him...Luyt Breweries) that does not necessary lift him up because, Andy Van Der Watt, a Springbok wing  told me that was a lovely gentleman...a big tough guy with a heart of gold...ie Frik...played in Airforce gym when a junior...I know worked for LL. Frik is a good man off the playing field...the only time I met him was when I was a kid and got his autograph at the SA/Wales test in Durban. He was always my hero...I wish I could have gone fishing with him...I'm told that he loves fishing. He got on well I'm told with LL but LL would not cross swords with a Springbok legend and Frik has an amicable nature.

Well sorry guys I've deviated but I have my faults having a touch of Gallic blood...anyway I hope things come right with Heyneke...he seems a very good man and I'm absolutely positive that he is...if guys with the integrity of Jean De Villiers respects him then he is a man amongst men.



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Dec 2014, 01:03
#6
16 Dec 2014, 01:03#6
 That might be so, but the SA rugby boat needs a strong arm at the tiller and that he was. Pity about the rudeness and corruption if true. It can't be condoned.  
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
16 Dec 2014, 01:24
#7
16 Dec 2014, 01:24#7
To be honest, right now we need an arse to run SARU, I don't really care much about his personality traits, a goal orientated individual who takes no prisoners will suit me fine. 
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