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There's good news and bad news Tokkie

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2019, 03:42
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19 May 2019, 03:42#1
The adjustments have lifted Stephanie's tackling stats to 78%, but still 2 turnovers conceded P ToitFL 2 11 3 0. But sadly his metres gained have plunged by 33% from 6 metres to 4 metres in 9 runs. On balance I'd still say not a MOM performance. But in SA rugby we give out merit awards for good intentions. Here's a hint, get onto the right version of Statsguru and you can follow the stats throughout the game.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2019, 10:03
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19 May 2019, 10:03#2

Mozart

He was still MOM because of his overall contribution to the game.   But then you did not see a line-out take from Crusaders throw-in 5 meters out after they did a corner kick from a penalty and a turnover made at a breakdown late in the game that pit the Crusaders under pressure eep in their half.

Time to accept that Du Toi is one of the best players in SA - after 5 yeas of pet hate by you about him is it not time you stop your BS about him? .         

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2019, 16:35
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19 May 2019, 16:35#3
Why accept? Objectively, by the numbers he wasn't even in the top 5 of Stormers players.....but subjectively he was. He did all these subtle things the numbers never reflected? It's either that or consistent bias in favour of this player. I know what I believe. I'm not saying he is not one of our better forwards.....now, five years since he first appeared. Now that his game has finally matured. I am saying he is a favourite son, the epitome of the South African rugby player.......that he is consistently over scored. And that playing him at flank leaves us badly exposed in wide defence and on the deck......that a combination of Stephanie and Kolisi is a ball protection vulnerability for the Boks. Stephanie is a lock, with more experience than RG Snyman. He might be the better player right now......but Snyman has faster reflexes, more speed, more height....and much more potential. Unfortunately he looks like an escapee from the Battle of Colenso, not like a favourite son.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2019, 16:45
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19 May 2019, 16:45#4

Looks have nothing to do with anything - performances have,   Against weaker teams Snyman looks good - against stronger teams he fails badly.   Playing for the Springboks he was iffy at best, 

However, we have a problem at 7 - we have enough locks to spare.   If Du Toit is not used at 7 - who should be used?      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2019, 17:07
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19 May 2019, 17:07#5
By the way I have now seen Stephanie's lineout 'steal'......funny stuff. The Saders were confused on the lineout call.....the intended target never jumped and the ball came down in a gap where Stephanie was positioned. He never ever left his feet to make the.....hahahahaha....steal. Look at Etzebeth steal to see a real example, he gets higher and in front of the receiver....ie he does what is usually understood by a 'lineout steal'. Stephanie was sufficiently alert to take advantage, but he never out jumped anybody.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2019, 17:53
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19 May 2019, 17:53#6

A limne out steal is a line-out steal - you initially even refused to recognize it.   But that has nothing to do with the question I asked - who would you pick to play at 7 for the Springboks?    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2019, 17:59
#7
19 May 2019, 17:59#7
No it's not....that was more like an intercepted pass. Lineout steal........waaaaaaahahaha!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2019, 19:15
#8
19 May 2019, 19:15#8

Mozart

The fact is nobody can ever believe your assessment of player performances because there is ZERO objectiveness involves.  So lets leave that one aside - I ask you a simple question - who do you support to play at 7 for the Springboks?   

I do not even ask for reasons - I just want a name.    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2019, 22:54
#9
19 May 2019, 22:54#9
Right now I support nobody, especially the failed flank combination of Stephanie/Kolisi.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 May 2019, 23:32
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19 May 2019, 23:32#10
So basically Moffie is demanding his right to moan and groan about players without offering an alternative . . . in other words, he's whining like a little bitch.
I prefer Pieter-Steph at lock, especially when we have the talent of Jean-Luc du Preez at #7.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2019, 23:49
#11
19 May 2019, 23:49#11
Hahaha....well coming from the 'Winer' in chief that's quite a compliment.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 May 2019, 23:52
#12
19 May 2019, 23:52#12

All I can say is that you'd have to be very stupid or very needy to interpret what I said as any kind of compliment.

In your case, Moffie, probably both.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2019, 00:01
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20 May 2019, 00:01#13
Oh it wasn't a compliment.....golly gee I'm devastated.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 May 2019, 00:44
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20 May 2019, 00:44#14

"........golly gee I'm devastated."


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2019, 02:05
#15
20 May 2019, 02:05#15
Well one has to be very careful Denny ....Peeper is so fragile. One wouldn't want to damage the nascent recovery. Still he seems to be getting a bit of his nasty streak back. There's nice...hahaha.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
20 May 2019, 02:22
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20 May 2019, 02:22#16





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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2019, 04:34
#17
20 May 2019, 04:34#17

Well-well-well 

Mozart support nobody else as a 7 and claimed that Du Toit is a failure - but then defends Vermeulen based on an incident that happened 4 years ago totally without providing any insight iro his present performances/  

Sounds like we have here a very confused individual - who is totally out of line with the present rugby scenario.   He makes claims without any sunbstance and then wants other members to accept it without questioning his motives,   

That being the case  one can accept a real jewel so I LMAO.      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2019, 05:04
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20 May 2019, 05:04#18
Stephanie may wear number 7, but that simply means that's where he scrums. In truth he plays more lock than flank even with the 7 on his back. A kind of roving lock cum left wing, with no specific responsibilities.....it's nice work if you can get it. The Boks haven't had a 7 since Juan Smith and Willem Alberts.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2019, 05:34
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20 May 2019, 05:34#19

Willem Alberts?????????????   He was way too pace-deficient to play at 7 and was in Meyer's squad because Matfield failed as a Tight 5 player nd Alberts had to minimize that deficiency.    Alberts was totally useless when it came to ball protection and recovery.   That is just one of your jokes on site - was t not.  LMAO.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
20 May 2019, 16:40
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20 May 2019, 16:40#20

A Tokkie - is a name for a dung beetle.

It is also a name for a Dutch person. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2019, 16:53
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20 May 2019, 16:53#21
Hahaha....Bogan. But I suspect Tokkie is rather well bred, he likes tamatie bredie.
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