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This is the problem with Coetzee

Started by Mozart14 REPLIES237 VIEWS· 01 Dec 2014, 07:42
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Dec 2014, 07:42
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01 Dec 2014, 07:42#1
7 Sam Warburton (captain)was monumental in defence, made a huge amount of tackles and effected a good couple crucial turn overs.9/10

Opposing fetchers  dominate the ball on the ground. Energetic , but ineffective running and decent tackling can't absolve an open sider  from failing in his main task...controlling the breakdown. With no fetcher, and no dominating counter ruck like last year, we only get slow ball.
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
01 Dec 2014, 07:48
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01 Dec 2014, 07:48#2

The reason we get slow ball is that we aren't hitting the rucks with enough numbers, Coetzee, Vermeulen an Bismarck collectively contest opposition ruck.


Ou r execution has failed us at the breakdowns, the blame can be evenly spread to a number of players, but of course the youngsters must cop it, eh? 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Dec 2014, 08:03
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01 Dec 2014, 08:03#3
Coetzee was one of the few players to excel.Chuck out oupa and get in Kriel the fastest loose forward in the world and some one who can I believe do well as a fetcher. If you want another fetcher type we have Louw who has been excellent for the Boks and play him at 7.Trouble is Meyer has no clue. He buggers up the tight five playing matfiled and cant put together a decent loose trio combo. Heck even Carr was better than oupa! Perhaps he isnt black enough for the racist anc politicians?
By the way calling Redlinghuys and Schalk van der Merwe provincial players is not on. They have bettered the Super 15 sides packed with international front rowers. That in a light Lions pack. Somebody at the Lions knows what scrumming is about.Nieaber is a brilliant defensive coach. Rassie a brilliant rugby brain. Mallet, Venter a and White excellent rugby men. Instead we limp along with these guys who are showing themsleves to be pretty average!Beeno gatvol of the stu pidity that rules! 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Dec 2014, 08:58
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01 Dec 2014, 08:58#4
 
Said it once before ... will say it again ... COETZEE IS NOT AN OPENSIDE FLANKER.

He's just another Meyer retread ... like so many others in the match 23.

 
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
01 Dec 2014, 09:02
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01 Dec 2014, 09:02#5

CC, that has been the problem this year.


Coetzee out of position, Jan Serfontein out of position, COenie out of position (although I am being told he cannot play loosehead due to his neck)


Mohoje should not be there, I checked his work rate, how can Meyer justify selecting him, even if he is a quota player?


He is weakening our back.


Only Coetzee, Vermeulen and Eben even looks like they want to play rugby.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Dec 2014, 16:30
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01 Dec 2014, 16:30#6

There was huge approval when the Sharks announced earlier this year that Coetzee was going to be their open sider.....so now it's all HM. You have to love it.

 

But it's true he can't play open side. I saw him over a few balls on Saturday....he lost every one. In one close up shot you see the fingers desperately trying to close on the ball and then just twitching. He isn't committed....he doesn't have that skill.

 

 

So we have to play him at 7. But as a runner he hardly ever breaks free, and never, ever offloads. So the ball dies with him all the time. He tackles well and with purpose, but we never see the power hits a guy like Alberts can produce. Rarely do his hits result in a turnover.

 

I suppose he can take a few lineouts, but he isn't used much and his cover defence is never in evidence.

 

 

Fans love his Tom Sawyer looks and enthusiasm....he looks like a great kid. But against the big packs you can forget about him. He is neither a 6 nor a 7. We have to be realists.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2014, 17:15
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01 Dec 2014, 17:15#7

Coetzee has been one of the few standout players all year. He has shown that he is more than capable of effecting turnovers and playing the fetching role. He is not a true 6, much like Schalk never was, but he has adapted well and been a stand out.

 

You cant compete at the breakdown when you have no collective doing their jobs, instead you find Matfield lurking on the fringes or out wide with the backs. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Dec 2014, 18:52
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01 Dec 2014, 18:52#8
So itsMatfield's fault Coetzee can't fetch. You know this is is silly right?  
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
01 Dec 2014, 19:38
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01 Dec 2014, 19:38#9
 Why not mention the forward momentum through Lambie's channel and how that affected our ability to attack opposition ball Saffex. Something they never had in 2013! But yes, blame Victor, it makes perfect sense *rolls eye*
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Dec 2014, 20:09
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01 Dec 2014, 20:09#10
 Look - the problem is that at rucks and mauls it is not only one player whoo must pplay a role - he cannot do the job when the tight 5 players stand around behand the maul and does nothing - Matfield style.
The ball recovery on Saturday was left to three players in all cases and they had zero support from Mohoje and Matfield - that is a fact of life.   
Coetzee ftched enough balls since the departure of Louw - so who is talking balls a gain and again - obviously the brotherhood of morons.         
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2014, 21:45
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01 Dec 2014, 21:45#11
You will find that Coetzee has been very effective in his fetching role all year. He never used to effect turnovers, he does now. Yes you won't win the breakdown battles if your lock shies away from the grunt work on the ground
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Dec 2014, 21:50
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01 Dec 2014, 21:50#12
 The only grunting and groaning one hears is poor Etzebeth hoping matfiled will retire.Appear though Meyer is talking of making him captain.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Dec 2014, 22:01
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01 Dec 2014, 22:01#13
Coetzee on the deck is way inferior to McCaw, Hooper, Poclock if he recovers and Warburton. He is also inferior to Louw. And that is simply a fact.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
01 Dec 2014, 22:04
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01 Dec 2014, 22:04#14
I'm not so sure about Louw or McCaw. But Hooper is immense right now, Poc ock? He is still the main man. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Dec 2014, 22:13
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01 Dec 2014, 22:13#15
Dream on Moz......McCaw has never been great on the ground. No way is Louw better in this department plus Coetzee provides far more clout with ball in hand than Louw.
Warburton has slipped in a big way as a player.
Hooper is the best in the business
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